Canon 7D to 5DMKII

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Ok I have decided to get a 7D as a upgrade from my 40D but I seen at quite a few places on net that people are selling their 7D as they upgraded to a 5D MKII... This making me think again...

If I was to take a picture of my daughter using the same setting on both camera which will be better???
 
Is the iso on the 5DMKII better than 7D if so what ways as it the ISO that wanting me to upgrade to take nice pictures of my daughter who never keeps still so need good shutter speed. Does 5DMKII have 19 AF spots like 7d
 
the af on the 5dmk11 is different from the 7d, its much slower, the 5dmk11 has better iso because its a full frame camera not crop like the 7d. both need top glass.
also the 5dmk11 is dearer.
heres a comparison site.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
which shows the 5d mk11 is alot cleaner at iso 1600 and up.
 
I do have top glass I have L lens 3 of them :) hmm now u say 5d a cleaner image that what I like but would it handle taking pictures of my baby daughter who always moving
 
The simple answer is the bigger format delivers better image quality - sharper, brighter colours, more dynamic range, less noise - but you have to print pretty large, like at least A4, in order to see it. At higher ISO, the advantage becomes more readily apparent.

You also get less depth of field with full frame, about one stop, which can work either for or against.

Aside from that, croppers have most of the advantages - the main ones being cost and, because of the higher pixel density, a bit more long lens 'reach'.

Edit: there's nothing wrong with the 5D2's AF (which is down to the lens as much as anything). It's just that the 7D's system is exceptionally good.
 
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scottthehat said:
i would suggest going and trying both.
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Only if I can find a 5DMKII to try nowhere got them round here... I have tried a 7D and quite like it...
 
maybe buy a 7d and a nice flash and use that for low light stuff indoors for your daughter.
and outside the 7d should be spot on,
as said its hard to tell the difference untill it reaches high iso, i have printed 30"x20" prints from my d300 with no probs what so ever and can go alot bigger and the d700 is the same but at isos higher than 1600 it wipes the floor with the d300, colours are way better and just the quality is somehin else,
what camera are you using now.
 
scottthehat said:
maybe buy a 7d and a nice flash and use that for low light stuff indoors for your daughter.
and outside the 7d should be spot on,
as said its hard to tell the difference untill it reaches high iso, i have printed 30"x20" prints from my d300 with no probs what so ever and can go alot bigger and the d700 is the same but at isos higher than 1600 it wipes the floor with the d300, colours are way better and just the quality is somehin else,
what camera are you using now.
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I am currently using a Canon 40D and the ISO performance on it not to my liking at all.. 1600 on it is pooo in which we expect... up to 800 maybe bit further it can get great images but I need the shutter speed so having to crank up the ISO
 
Also are you saying the 5DMKII will be better in low light photography than the 7D? I dont like using flash much as I feel it makes the photo not as natural unless am doing it wrong
 
scottthehat said:
yes the 5dmk11 will be better in low light, and try bouncing the flash it makes a world of difference.
do you have a separate flash,
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yup got a hotshoe flash EX430 II

And how much better would the 5D be at low light Could i really get away with the fast AF that 7D got?
 
well try the flash in manual set the iso 200 to 400, shutter speed 160/th sec and bounce the flash of the ceiling.
like this.
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as for the 5dmk11 it would produce better pics in low light, but the af on the 7d will be better for low light.
and the 7ds af is ver very good alot better than the 40d.
 
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are those the settings on the camera or on the flash?

That picture is how I like try get it with the flash but am always over bright...


Grrrrr 7d or 5D ha ha ha ha wish I has the money for both.. the 40D will be up for sale soon it a great camera the 40D i got some cracking images from it dont get me wrong
 
Why choose?

7D AND 5DMkII:D

I have a 7d and would not give up the AF speed and crop factor (for sports) unless I was to go for a 1DMkIV. I do, however, see the strengths, many mentioned above, of the 5DmkII and would probably add this next to my arsenal if I were adding a body. Vastly different cameras for vastly different work. Having both is the only sensible thing I can think of:shrug::D

They'll both do what you need, they both produce great images but have different areas/uses where they excel. On an aside - interestingly canon markets 7D with high end NON L glass where 5D/11D/1Ds are marketed with L glass. I'm not a marketing specialist but I'm sure there is agood reason why they do this - just say'n
 
DucDuc said:
Why choose?

7D AND 5DMkII:D

I have a 7d and would not give up the AF speed and crop factor (for sports) unless I was to go for a 1DMkIV. I do, however, see the strengths, many mentioned above, of the 5DmkII and would probably add this next to my arsenal if I were adding a body. Vastly different cameras for vastly different work. Having both is the only sensible thing I can think of:shrug::D

They'll both do what you need, they both produce great images but have different areas/uses where they excel. On an aside - interestingly canon markets 7D with high end NON L glass where 5D/11D/1Ds are marketed with L glass. I'm not a marketing specialist but I'm sure there is agood reason why they do this - just say'n
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Are you saying the L Glass I got wont be as benefit on the 7D than the 5DMKII?

I had my mind on the 7D due to cost and the AF engine it got as I believe it got fantastic Auto Focus system... Saying that I have always used single focus dot on my 40D but alot of people are saying the Auto Focus on the 7D is great...

Am I right in think the AF on the 5D will be like what i got on my 40D?

But saying the ISO Performance on the 5D compare site above it seem better in colour etc too
 
A little while ago I was thinking of buying a 5DII, because I wanted the extra quality of FF, but was not truly happy with the resolution at high ISO as the in camera NR (even when off) destroyed some of the sharpness.

Then a 1D II came up on here S/H.

The resolution at 3200 was much better than the 5DII as it was more of a pro camera so the noise when off was more pronounced but the reaolution was better than both the 7D and the 5D II so I bought it and have not been disappointed.

I use it quite a lot to take pics of my niece's kids and others and also many other types of pics and it is quite simply outstanding.

Although it only goes up to 3200 ISO, this coupled with the nifty fifty means I can get pics of kids almost anywhere without using flash.

And using Neat Image and making my own profiles mean that I can still get pictures which are virtually noise free.

And I haven't noticed any degradation of my images when taken with the 28-135mm or my 70-300mm IS USM lenses compared with my previous 450D.

So I think the claim that FF cameras mean you have to get "L" glass may be a little bit exaggerated.

I certainly haven't found it so.

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I forgot to ask about this noise reduction does it work or is it rubbish never had it on, on my 40d
 
I been trailing nik define pretty impressive
 
I notice you said you have a 40D and 3 x L lens (of which I'm jealous :-)). The 7D has the same sensor size as the 40D which means you probably have the best lens for covering the ranges you need due to the crop factor.

The 5DmkII is a better portrait body but the 7D is more likely to be a better all rounder for baby/children shots like you're wanting as it's faster.

I was compering the two for an upgrade and at first thought the 5DmkII must be better due to the full frame sensor but after reading up on both I will be going for the 7D with 15-85 lens.
 
5D2 is about 1 stop better than the 7D for ISO noise (that is 400 on 5D2 will look like 200 on 7D). Both go to 3200 on auto ISO. I've used and kept shots at 6400 on the 5D2. Don't think I'd do that on the 7D often.

For a well exposed image, image quality is determined by sensor size. I.e. bigger the sensor, better the image - 5D2 wins there.

7d focusing is only advantageous if the subject is moving - the 5D2 is fine for static subjects - and takes some getting used to (as my g/f found out the other day taking some snaps - the wrong things were in focus as she was on auto 19 point).

5D3 should be around the corner, but with the tsunami in Japan, no one knows when. If the 5D3 has a similar AF system to the 7D, I'll be upgrading...
 
Am I right the 7d got 2 type of auto focus?
 
I agree with Andy - the 7D can choose the wrong thing to focus on with all ninteen points enabled. I get better results with single point or expanded single point.

Andrew - yes it does, quick or live view. In fact it has more AF options than you could shake a stick at (which can be Heaven or Hell :thinking:).
 
rookies said:
Are you saying the L Glass I got wont be as benefit on the 7D than the 5DMKII?
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L glass benefits all camera's that they fit compared to say EF-S lenses. Glass is more likely add IQ than the body it's self. I was more speculating how Canon rate the 7d, or place it in their minds among the total line up. AF system is great, fast, has feature that allow you to tune to you style or subject....
 
Don't forget 1D mk3 second hand. Great IQ and wonderful AF, even if the resolution is slightly lower than 5D2. If photo doesn't require printing at A1/A2, then 1D would probably be the tool of choice for me.
 
DucDuc said:
Why choose?

7D AND 5DMkII:D

I have a 7d and would not give up the AF speed and crop factor (for sports) unless I was to go for a 1DMkIV. I do, however, see the strengths, many mentioned above, of the 5DmkII and would probably add this next to my arsenal if I were adding a body. Vastly different cameras for vastly different work. Having both is the only sensible thing I can think of:shrug::D

They'll both do what you need, they both produce great images but have different areas/uses where they excel. On an aside - interestingly canon markets 7D with high end NON L glass where 5D/11D/1Ds are marketed with L glass. I'm not a marketing specialist but I'm sure there is agood reason why they do this - just say'n
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No, the sensible thing is to get a D700 which does both jobs. :)
 
After doing a bit of reading might try a d700 if it best of both world

But whats lens are as good as I got

Canon 14-40 L
Canon 70-200 F4 L
Canon 24-105 IS L
Canon 100mm F2.8 IS L
 
rookies said:
I am currently using a Canon 40D and the ISO performance on it not to my liking at all.. 1600 on it is pooo in which we expect... up to 800 maybe bit further it can get great images but I need the shutter speed so having to crank up the ISO
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Sorry, is this I want a new toy or do you need to upgrade ;)
Noise is mostly in the dark areas. I found 1600 was generally OK on the 40D with just a little noise coming in and you can fix that with noise reduction software. Noise ninja (or I use lightrooms built in) does a good job.

The other thing to do is just not push that high if you don't need to, in which case it's all about the light. Use natural light, use flash etc.

For flash, I generally set the camera to manual 1/125th or higher, f8 and let the flash do the work through ettl. Like Scott said, bounce the flash off the ceiling. You might get away with ISO 100, but be prepared to use ISO400.
 
To be very honest I don't really want upgrade if not needed but I want confidence I get stunning picture what ever the lighting is.

I know how the 7d perform as FIL got one and I got loads of great images perfect exposure etc. My 40d I get a few hit and miss

I am all ear if you can get me working well with my 40d that be fantastic

I am a mac user and got aperture love the software but noise reduction on it is let down so trailing nik define at mo
 
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rookies said:
After doing a bit of reading might try a d700 if it best of both world

But whats lens are as good as I got

Canon 14-40 L
Canon 70-200 F4 L
Canon 24-105 IS L
Canon 100mm F2.8 IS L
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17-40?

Nice lenses.
So the question is - what do you shoot?
5D has a certain, je ne sais quoi, about's it's images, a roundness or quality to them from the full frame. Whilst it can be used for sport, it's primarily designed as a portrait/studio/wedding camera.
7D has better AF because of the assist points, 1.6x crop, which helps for reach for wildlife, sports and has better weatherproofing, slightly less Mpixels

Both have video, the 7d output from the HDMI port is a higher resolution, which might be important if you attach a screen for critical focussing.
 
Byker28i said:
17-40?

Nice lenses.
So the question is - what do you shoot?
5D has a certain, je ne sais quoi, about's it's images, a roundness or quality to them from the full frame. Whilst it can be used for sport, it's primarily designed as a portrait/studio/wedding camera.
7D has better AF because of the assist points, 1.6x crop, which helps for reach for wildlife, sports and has better weatherproofing, slightly less Mpixels

Both have video, the 7d output from the HDMI port is a higher resolution, which might be important if you attach a screen for critical focussing.
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Ops yes 17-40 ha ha

I do mostly portraits and landscape. Odd occasion I do motosport
 
With those lenses (which are the exact ones I have by the way) and your "mostly portraits and landscape", I'd suggest a 5D2. You may feel you want a longer lens for the motorsport days though....
 
arad85 said:
With those lenses (which are the exact ones I have by the way) and your "mostly portraits and landscape", I'd suggest a 5D2. You may feel you want a longer lens for the motorsport days though....
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Will try and find a 5DMII to try out can't find one anywhere unless anyone lives near hope in hope valley Derbyshire.
 
rookies said:
I am all ear if you can get me working well with my 40d that be fantastic
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I'm as guilty as the next person of wanting an upgrade. I'd love a 7D for sport and a 5D mk2 for studio work, plus the video opportunities, but I get by OK with my 50D.

As Dirty Harry would say "A man's gotta know his limitations", you just need to work within the parameters of the kit you have.

I upgraded to my 50D because my 40D broke it's shutter, but also because it gave me 1 stop better ISO performance and higher Mp so I could crop harder for sport. It meant I could shoot slightly wider, catching the action as I knew I could crop more.

I never had an issue with it in portrait situations because I never went above ISO 400 really. It really is all about the light and once you start playing it gets very interesting.

Simple stuff is on camera flash, bounced or diffused. I got a Gary Fong lightsphere to kill the harsh shadows from flash which helps but any indirect way of lighting would be good.

Off camera flash is good, but then you're into a ST-E2 trigger - limited range though - or the 7D has built in flash wireless trigger. Extra lighting sources help also, so a second flash gun, natural light or bounced light from a reflector, or shoot in the garden.

I don't use it much but I have a 50mm f1.4, which sometimes proves invaluable for the extra stops over f2.8. You just need to watch the depth of field, but I got mine for around £220 and it's small and light enough to always be in my bag.

Aquick example of a 40D shot. Handheld with my 24-105 lens 1/15s f/5.6 at 32.0mm iso3200
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At 30" x 20" print it's got some noise in the dark areas (but then that's arty - honest ;), but it's not bad.
 
rookies said:
Ops yes 17-40 ha ha

I do mostly portraits and landscape. Odd occasion I do motosport
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70-200 isn't that long for motorsport, but it depends where you go.
Portrait and landscape I'd say 5D everytime. The 5D mk2 is just stunning in the studio.

40D does OK though as I said with enough light. This is with a single 500W bowens flash in a softbox to the front left
1/125th f9, ISO 100
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What you guys forgetting is I am trying capture my 14month old daughter who never keeps still so shutter speed need be at least 1/160. I can take still portraits no trouble as I have steady hands
 
Bribery , or just let her charge around for a bit but keep taking. Eventually they slow down :D Bubbles are always good to attract attention.

Shooting out in the garden gives a lot more light so you can up the shutter speed

You can catch movement at 1/125th (sort of) but you have to catch them at the point they stop and change direction. This little girl never stopped, but I did have the advantage of lots of light.
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You should be able to use up to 1/250th with your flashgun, using the flash to freeze the subject. If you think you need faster you could try the high speed sync

Lots of good info here: http://www.canon.co.jp/imaging/flashwork/ettl2/high/index.html
 
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