Canon 6d or 7d

Orville said:
What matters is that all of the D600 reviews have been glowing, to the point where many recommend the D600 over the D800 (which competes more or less equally against the 5DIII). The 6D "previews" so far have been mixed, many saying that too many core features have been cut down, and most indicating that the D600 will be superior. This matters hugely because either the D600 or 6D will compete to be the best selling FF DSLR of all time. If one is clearly better than the other, new DSLR adopters will head that way. My opinion is that any 2012/2013 FF DSLR should have superior AF, build and features than a 3 year old crop. Let's hope that the new 20MP sensor is stunning, otherwise the 6D really will struggle against the competition.
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Exactly :thumbs:. Canon need to innovate more on their top cameras and stop stripping bare pro-sumer bodies. I know we are not debating 1dx vs d4, but come on, 5k vs 3k for the very same camera just in a different mount :cuckoo:
 
yeah the 6D is a let down for me and doesn't tempt me, maybe a 5Dii instead for FF goodness.
why any prosumer would want to mix and match SD memory with CF is beyond me.

as for the 40D and 7D. I have recently upgraded in the same way and like the 7D.
the noise handling is disappointing, but at 18MP you hardly notice it.
also the focusing is a HUGE jump forwards and the FPS is just rapid fire....and I was pleased with the 40D.
also I feel (subjectively) that the 7D handles metering and white balance much better in challenging environments. I shoot martial arts a lot indoors and the lighting is usually horrible. The 7D is streets ahead for sports I think.
 
daugirdas said:
It is not an entry level camera even if it is an entry level FF, unless they are aiming at super rich small handed female beginners :thinking:
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So when everyone used film SLRs, did the average human have smaller hands? ;)

This camera is much bigger and better built than a rebel type body. And my Mrs struggles with one of them! :D

I'm not saying this camera is going to be a world beater, it may be rubbish, but some people's expectations are way too high. The D600 is a cracker, but Canon obviously doesn't want to play that game. 6D is fine by me, I need to stay with Canon for glass reasons.
 
I shall be interested to read the real world reviews on the 6d and comparisons against it's competition in that price bracket
 
Perhaps Canon were just ahead of the game with the 7D? At launch it was a toss up between the 5DII and 7D for me. I intially chose the 5DII but really didn't get on with it due to focus/tracking issues (I probably had a faulty one), so ended up "upgrading" to the 7D after two weeks. For me the 7D felt the better camera within every department except for the sensor. I was hoping that the 6D would something akin to my 7D with a FF sensor, but sadly it now appears to be much more like a 5DII housed inside a smaller shell.

Either way, the 7D is still a superb camera 3 full years after launch. The fact that it beats a higher series and brand new body on many points may just highlight how good it was/is, rather than how poor the 6D is/will be. What concerns me most is that Canon may now cripple the 7DII. After all, can they really release a new 7 series body that outperforms it's new 6 series counterpart? Or have Canon simply blurred the series numbering hierachy?
 
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but the 6D is for landscape photographers, that is the market it was aimed at. A man from canon said in an interview on YouTube. If I did landscape and just that I would get one, the SD card fits in my iPad, it's small and light. I'm just waiting for the 7dII, 70 or 700 that are supposed to be announced fairly soon and choose between them
 
jonoooo125 said:
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but the 6D is for landscape photographers, that is the market it was aimed at. A man from canon said in an interview on YouTube. If I did landscape and just that I would get one, the SD card fits in my iPad, it's small and light. I'm just waiting for the 7dII, 70 or 700 that are supposed to be announced fairly soon and choose between them
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The spec may suit landscape use, but Canon are definately aiming the 6D towards the mainstream pro-sumer. Few landscape specialists would buy a small plastic bodied FF camera. I mean, what point is a small body within an enviroment where tripods are common? Also, the enhanced weather sealing of the 5DIII would make that more suitable for outdoor use.

No, the 6D is aimed at average Jo, albeit the average Jo who can afford to spend £1400 on a DSLR. My guess is that 6D's will be used to take more pictures of the family than anything else.
 
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manualfocus-g said:
So are you saying that the 5D II wasn't suitable for landscape use either, and only average Joes use them? Ridiculous!
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No, where have I said or even hinted that they are not suitable for landscaping? I am sure that both 5DII and 6D are excellent for landscape use. I am just saying that most people will not use them for this as a primary role. I have taken ladscape shots with all of my cameras (incl the 5DII), but they are rare compared to shots of my family and friends. The 5DII and 6D were no doubt made to be good all-rounders, offering something for everyone.

It can also be argued that the 7D is a better tool for lanscaping that the 5D II because it is weather sealed.
 
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manualfocus-g said:
So are you saying that the 5D II wasn't suitable for landscape use either, and only average Joes use them? Ridiculous!
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Well these were the reasons I didn't buy one, and if I did I would have killed it three times over. I am not doing anything crazy by the way but if you noticed the weather wasn't fantastic this year.
 
itsme93 said:
not even that much of a price differnce i would just save up the extra £150 and get the 5d mark 3

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Canon...Cameras_DigitalCameras_JN&hash=item27ca405d36

http://www.jessops.com/online.store... Digital SLR Camera Body Only-87322/Show.html
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I suspect the 6D will drop to ~£1400 once the dust settles.

In answer to Op's original question, the 7D is better because it is roughly half the price of the 6D, yet wins/loses 50-50 on features. The 7D is better built, fully water sealed, has 19 cross point AF and machine gun fps. The 6D has a lovely FF sensor, gps, wifi and HDR. Not sure how much wifi, GPS and HDR really add to the mix, but they may be of relevance to some.

Ultimately, the 6D will provide better IQ if you pixel peep but will it really be worth twice as much? My guess is a big fat NO.
 
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dubzter said:
This conversation cracks me up. If you want the features of a 5diii then buy a 5diii if you don't need those features and are happy with the 6d then buy the 6d. They are 2 different cameras aimed at different markets. If the 6d had the same features as the 5diii then it wouldn't be a budget ff camera. You get what you pay for!
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exactly the 6D is meant to be a FF landscape camera at a cheaper price if you want better AF thats what the 5D3 is for:)
 
LCPete said:
exactly the 6D is meant to be a FF landscape camera at a cheaper price if you want better AF thats what the 5D3 is for:)
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No it is not. Nowhere within Canon's official press release does it say that the 6D has been designed specifically for landscape use. It is a multi-purpose body capable of doing a bit of everything. The sample pictures shown on Canon's site show a mixture of wildlife shots, portaits and landscapes. It may be very good at landscapes but that is not it's sole reason for being. For landsaping, lens choice is much more critical than body choice.
 
itsme93 said:
not even that much of a price differnce i would just save up the extra £150 and get the 5d mark 3

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Canon...Cameras_DigitalCameras_JN&hash=item27ca405d36

http://www.jessops.com/online.store... Digital SLR Camera Body Only-87322/Show.html
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wasn't the 5d mk3 3k when it was released

if your going to use jessops current price for the new 6d then it would be fairer to also use jessops for the comparison on price with the 5D mk3 not ebay
http://www.jessops.com/online.store...d-mkiii-digital-slr-body-only-84404/show.html
 
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Orville said:
No it is not. Nowhere within Canon's official press release does it say that the 6D has been designed specifically for landscape use. It is a multi-purpose body capable of doing a bit of everything. The sample pictures shown on Canon's site show a mixture of wildlife shots, portaits and landscapes. It may be very good at landscapes but that is not it's sole reason for being. For landsaping, lens choice is much more critical than body choice.
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Ok its a full frame general purpose camera that will be perfect for landscapers who dont need the better AF on the 5D3:)
 
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Orville said:
I suspect the 6D will drop to ~£1400 once the dust settles.

In answer to Op's original question, the 7D is better because it is roughly half the price of the 6D, yet wins/loses 50-50 on features. The 7D is better built, fully water sealed, has 19 cross point AF and machine gun fps. The 6D has a lovely FF sensor, gps, wifi and HDR. Not sure how much wifi, GPS and HDR really add to the mix, but they may be of relevance to some.

Ultimately, the 6D will provide better IQ if you pixel peep but will it really be worth twice as much? My guess is a big fat NO.
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For sports shooting I'd say no aswell but my guess is that Canon have looked to focus the 6D on areas where the 5Dmk2 probabley sold best, holiday/landscapes and indoor family protraits.

The main weakness as you say at the moment seems to be price but my guess is that long term it'll end up cheaper than the D600 which Nikon have already dropped significantly. I wouldnt be supprized if it goes as low as £1200ish within the next 18 months.
 
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daugirdas said:
Well these were the reasons I didn't buy one, and if I did I would have killed it three times over. I am not doing anything crazy by the way but if you noticed the weather wasn't fantastic this year.
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I totally get that some people need a weatherproof camera, but again (once the 5D IIs have all sold) this will be Canon's budget full frame option. They need to keep some features off or the 5D III and 1DX won't sell!

BTW, I don't shoot in the rain generally (I'd buy a pro camera for that, like your 1DS II, or a Pentax) but I've been caught enough times and never had a problem with my 20D, 30D, 40D, 60D or 5D over the years. I have a bag to keep them dry ;) :lol:
 
manualfocus-g said:
BTW, Canon's website states:

Water/ Dust Resistance Yes (equal to EOS-1N)

Interesting :)
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The 6D may well be as waterproof as an 18 year old 1N, but will it be as waterproof and tough as the 7D is, as shown here?
 
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Orville said:
The 6D may well be as waterproof as an 18 year old 1N, but will it be as waterproof and tough as the 7D is, as shown here?
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The 7d is given the same rating as the 6d on the canon website. ;)
 
menthel said:
The 7d is given the same rating as the 6d on the canon website. ;)
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I'll believe the 6D is equal once it has been set on fire, frozen within a block of ice, run over by a truck, thrown down a flight of concrete steps and shot at. If it still works afterwards I'll agree it is as well built as the 7D, albeit with a part plastic body.
 
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