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Been hovering for a while before deciding on replacement camera. 6d or 7d. I know the 6d is not available until December but is it worth waiting for as there are some good deals around on 7d at the moment.
Also looking for zoom telephoto lens - any suggestions particularly for sports photography
Thanks
 
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If it had not been you mention sport photography i would have said FF but maybe the 7D AF system may be better for action.

Remember the 40D is 6fps and the 7D 8fps both are crop so which lens have you got.

Only slight thing i found when i jumped 40D for 7D was i needed more time cleaning image noise, both excellent cameras and you could get a couple of 7D's for a 6D

Allan
 
stevem said:
Been hovering for a while before deciding on replacement camera. 6d or 7d. I know the 6d is not available until December but is it worth waiting for as there are some good deals around on 7d at the moment.
Also looking for zoom telephoto lens - any suggestions particularly for sports photography
Thanks
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I would have thought if you're shooting sport and want a zoom lens then the 7d would be the best choice due to the high fps and the crop factor.
But then again, full frame and wifi does sound interesting, decisions, decisions!
 
i think the 6d would make a good wedding camera for those low light church shots and the first dance shots
 
For sports you would be better off with a 7D out of the two choices as it has a better focussing system and faster fps. The only FF alternative really is the 5D3 which has a fantastic focussing system. If you are planning to drop around £2000 on a body you might want to think of a 5D3 from Hdew cameras as they have it at a great price, are based in the UK and give you great service. Have a look here http://www.hdewcameras.co.uk/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-body-961-p.asp and IMHO that would be the way to go.
 
Any thoughts on canon 5d mk 2 ?

Mk 3 still a bit expensive or should go for new 6d?

I have saved £2000 and want to buy for Xmas.

Even starting looking at Nikon cameras

Any advice welcomed
Thanks
 
Switching to Nikon would mean a lens change as well
How much money do you have invested in canon glass
You also need to consider what glass you have that is not FF compatible ie efs, if you are considering FF
The rest of your questions have already been answered
 
Canon 5D2 is also unsuitable for sports.
Fairly slow with the same AF system as your 40D (Although reportedly less reliable when the light drops)
 
6D or 7D,....well depends on your budget and what you are photographing ?
Sure the 7D is great for sport due to the crop factor and AF system. I have enlarge pictures and they look great. slight nosie but this can be fixed in some editing software perhaps.
6D not so good AF and I would agree with above great for weddings and non sport / action subjects.
With the 7D any AF lens will get a 60% increase in magnification, bonus !
 
In terms of value the 5D3 on the grey market seems the best on offer to me, the tech is still brand new but prices have dropped off significantly while the 6D will I'd imagine be at a prenium for another few months(I'd guess it'll be cheaper than £1500 this time next year) and the 7D should be updated next year.

I'v not much expereince shooting sports but to me the big issue seems like it should be range. Up until around 200mm I'd guess that the 5D3's superior high ISO would balance out not having the same money to spend on large appature lenses with the same range on the 7D. Beyond that it seems like the 7D would potentially be the cheaper option.
 
stevem said:
Any thoughts on canon 5d mk 2 ?

Mk 3 still a bit expensive or should go for new 6d?

I have saved £2000 and want to buy for Xmas.

Even starting looking at Nikon cameras

Any advice welcomed
Thanks
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£2000 is more than enough to buy a 5D3 from Panamoz.
 
Personally, there is no way in a million years I'd choose a FF camera with an inferior AF system to a crop with a better AF system if you want to shoot sports. An OOF shot is pretty much worthless, regardless of it being Full Frame or not. You say you want it for sports, so the 1.6 crop factor may also work well for you.

Having gone from 7D to 5D3, yes there is an improvement in image quality, but it's tiny compared to the difference between a shot being in focus and out of focus.
 
It is madness what Canon have done with the 6D. Instead of providing a well featured 5DIII alternative for the enthusiast with a lesser budget, they have provided an crippled item which is largely inferior to their 3 year old crop equivelent. Not sure how they can call it a 6D when the 7D beats it in many key areas.

Poor show compared to Nikon's D600, which is tempting me away from Canon.
 
stevem said:
Been hovering for a while before deciding on replacement camera. 6d or 7d. I know the 6d is not available until December but is it worth waiting for as there are some good deals around on 7d at the moment.
Also looking for zoom telephoto lens - any suggestions particularly for sports photography
Thanks
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Depends what budget you have and what type of sport and conditions you'll be photographing in, but in ain't going to be cheap. You need a great autofocus system, good ISO performance for low light and very fast glass (lenses), also depends how close to the action you are. That all amounts to mega $$$$, but you could look to the used market to pick up some decent gear.

Even the 1DX falls short in the autofocus stakes and that's suppose to be the best thing since sliced bread.

Personally I would be looking at the 1D MKIII or MKIV bodies for action (sports) photography
 
As for the 6D, sorry, but another dud from Canon. Don't know which idiots they've got in charge at the moment, but they are seriously off the mark again with only a very few high spots to redeem them.
 
gary996 said:
The 6D should have been a 7D with the FF sensor. Or would that be too close to the 5Dmklll
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No The 6D just another pointless offering from Canon
 
With the 7D available for around £775 at HDEW and other places, it is much better value fro money. With the 7D for £775 and 6D for ~£1400, the 7D is an easy choice unless you really need FF or super high ISO performance.
 
pete.rush said:
Even the 1DX falls short in the autofocus stakes and that's suppose to be the best thing since sliced bread.
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Really? Where have you read that? Because you certainly have not used one with a statement like that.
 
Agree with the 7D option. I was in a similar situation, tried a few options and really pleased I went 7D.

Nikon..? Don't do it..! ;-)
 
manualfocus-g said:
Well I can't wait to get my hands on a 6D! It's perfect for me, small size and light weight, full frame, changeable focus screen, wi fi and GPS. It's an updated, lighter 5D II. Perfect :)
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Agreed. Looks like the perfect pair with the 7d for me. I would love a light ff camera to pair with light primes (ie non l lumps) and keep the 7d for wildlife/longer stuff.
 
Dexy101 said:
Really? Where have you read that? Because you certainly have not used one with a statement like that.
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If you've been reading this, yes there has been some issues, although under very challenging conditions, i.e. high ISO, low light moving subjects, but they may be pushing the boundaries.

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=419415

I'm not saying the 1DX not good, from the images in the thread it seriously good, very good, but because with everything new, these guy's have been push the boundaries and challenge the capabilities of the camera, perhaps that adjustment or tweak in the setup is just around the corner or they were just expecting too much from a seriously good camera under serious conditions (indoor action photography), but its still a step up from the MKIV it replaced.
 
CarlEvans said:
Get the 7D and then invest in a 70-200mm f2.8. The reach should be just about fine for most Motorsport, if not then grab a 1.4 converter and bobs your uncle. Great sport set up!
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Not a bad suggestion, I'd agree!
 
manualfocus-g said:
Well I can't wait to get my hands on a 6D! It's perfect for me, small size and light weight, full frame, changeable focus screen, wi fi and GPS. It's an updated, lighter 5D II. Perfect :)
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menthel said:
...I would love a light ff camera to pair with light primes (ie non l lumps)...
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Yeah I agree with these two. Some of the compromises Canon have made are annoying but I'm still hoping it's something special, especially its sensor.
 
As a Canon man, I really do think Nikon's D600 will win the budget FF crown. The D600 has retained most of the D800's features, yet the 6D has lost far too many of the 5DIII's. 5DIII vs D800 is a close all, but for people not tied to a specific manufacturer the D600 will be better than the 6D. I actually want a D600 myself but have spent too much time and effort investing in nice Canon glass. Now I am crossing my fingers that the 7DII will be FF or perhaps even a 1.3 cropper. Not holding out too much hope though because the "6D" name tag should indicate a level above the "7D". Let's hope they don't ruin the 7DII, because the 7D original has been one of Canon's best ever bodies.

The 6D should really have been called the 5D Mk two-and-a-half.
 
What's the 6D actually missing from the 5D III? 1/8000 second shutter speed? Big deal! Anyone shooting f/1.2 lenses wide open in bright daylight is a bit mad anyway IMO. So, then there's a slightly bigger viewfinder. Ok, bigger the better I guess. Anything else critical, flash sync speed I guess? And then there's the AF. I suspect from the comments above that this is where most people's beef is at. Well, Canon would have to pretty stupid to put amazing AF in the 6D as it would cannibalize 5DIII sales, as per the D800. Dual card slots are useful to some I guess, but this is a low end ff body. Canon had to release a budget ff body without destroying sales of their better models. They're not stupid!
 
manualfocus-g said:
What's the 6D actually missing from the 5D III? 1/8000 second shutter speed? Big deal! Anyone shooting f/1.2 lenses wide open in bright daylight is a bit mad anyway IMO. So, then there's a slightly bigger viewfinder. Ok, bigger the better I guess. Anything else critical, flash sync speed I guess? And then there's the AF. I suspect from the comments above that this is where most people's beef is at. Well, Canon would have to pretty stupid to put amazing AF in the 6D as it would cannibalize 5DIII sales, as per the D800. Dual card slots are useful to some I guess, but this is a low end ff body. Canon had to release a budget ff body without destroying sales of their better models. They're not stupid!
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A modern reliable AF? Decent size perhaps? These are pretty big differences that can mean a good shot or no shot.
 
daugirdas said:
A modern reliable AF? Decent size perhaps? These are pretty big differences that can mean a good shot or no shot.
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We don't know about af performance as yet. We know it only has one x type point but from the specs it will focus in much darker conditions than the 5diii. I think real world testing and reviews are required before any judgement can be made. But then again the slathering masses of Internet idiots would rather jump to conclusions.

It could be rubbish, it could be great, we will just have to wait and see.
 
Against the 5DIII it is also missing a full sized view finder, only takes a single SD card (I prefer CF or 2x SD for reliability), and has 2x instead of 3 C buttons. It may also feel a fair bit more plasticy than both the 5DIII and much cheaper 7D.

I guess many people may not notice the 97% cropped VF, and many may see it as a compromise worth making to create a smaller and lighter body, but I much prefer the handling of a full sized body with a full sized VF. I like to see all of what I am shooting.
 
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Anyone complaining about the size and feel of the body is missing the point...this is an entry level ff camera! From the previews I've seen, it looks like the body will be better built than that of the 60D, which is already fairly decent. We'll have to wait and see...
 
This conversation cracks me up. If you want the features of a 5diii then buy a 5diii if you don't need those features and are happy with the 6d then buy the 6d. They are 2 different cameras aimed at different markets. If the 6d had the same features as the 5diii then it wouldn't be a budget ff camera. You get what you pay for!
 
menthel said:
We don't know about af performance as yet. We know it only has one x type point but from the specs it will focus in much darker conditions than the 5diii. I think real world testing and reviews are required before any judgement can be made. But then again the slathering masses of Internet idiots would rather jump to conclusions.

It could be rubbish, it could be great, we will just have to wait and see.
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Canon said it would attempt to focus in low light; no word about accuracy :lol:. It has too few points to seriously attempt a moving target.

manualfocus-g said:
Anyone complaining about the size and feel of the body is missing the point...this is an entry level ff camera! From the previews I've seen, it looks like the body will be better built than that of the 60D, which is already fairly decent. We'll have to wait and see...
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It is not an entry level camera even if it is an entry level FF, unless they are aiming at super rich small handed female beginners :thinking:
 
manualfocus-g said:
Anyone complaining about the size and feel of the body is missing the point...this is an entry level ff camera! From the previews I've seen, it looks like the body will be better built than that of the 60D, which is already fairly decent. We'll have to wait and see...
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dubzter said:
This conversation cracks me up. If you want the features of a 5diii then buy a 5diii if you don't need those features and are happy with the 6d then buy the 6d. They are 2 different cameras aimed at different markets. If the 6d had the same features as the 5diii then it wouldn't be a budget ff camera. You get what you pay for!
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Both quoted for sense! This is exactly the point, this is not a 5Diii for cheap, it is a different camera! Personally for me a small, light FF camera with one good AF spot for focus/recompose makes a lot of sense. People here are often blinkered by their own desires and willy waving wants.
 
Orville said:
Against the 5DIII it is also missing a full sized view finder, only takes a single SD card (I prefer CF or 2x SD for reliability), and has 2x instead of 3 C buttons. It may also feel a fair bit more plasticy than both the 5DIII and much cheaper 7D.

I guess many people may not notice the 97% cropped VF, and many may see it as a compromise worth making to create a smaller and lighter body, but I much prefer the handling of a full sized body with a full sized VF. I like to see all of what I am shooting.
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Which means the camera's not for you!:)

I fail to understand why people knock a product that doesn't suit their needs when there are alternative products that do.

It's like complaining that the Ford Ka won't fit all your gear in the boot :cuckoo: Buy a bigger car:thumbs:

The 6d is a cut down FF camera made for people who want the benefits of FF but can't afford the 5dIII and so are prepared to compromise on some features. Maybe Nikon made a better job with the 600d; but what does that matter in the grand scheme of things.:shrug:
 
What matters is that all of the D600 reviews have been glowing, to the point where many recommend the D600 over the D800 (which competes more or less equally against the 5DIII). The 6D "previews" so far have been mixed, many saying that too many core features have been cut down, and most indicating that the D600 will be superior. This matters hugely because either the D600 or 6D will compete to be the best selling FF DSLR of all time. If one is clearly better than the other, new DSLR adopters will head that way. My opinion is that any 2012/2013 FF DSLR should have superior AF, build and features than a 3 year old crop. Let's hope that the new 20MP sensor is stunning, otherwise the 6D really will struggle against the competition.
 
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