Canon 6D ...help!!!

Gaz J said:
You can't change the auto lighting optimiser because you've got the highlight tone priority set to ON. The D+ that you can see on the screen tells you that it is on.
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How can i turn it off?
 
Your 6d should produce much better shots (in terms of absolute IQ) than your 450d even on full auto. In terms of IQ it's far more capable. You can only faff with these software settings so much but they're just confusing the issue. If it's not producing sharp shots on auto, with a lens that the 450d is shooting fine with then I'd just get the body looked at.

Forget settings for a while, I take it it's like this with all lenses?
 
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odd jim said:
Your 6d should produce much better shots (in terms of absolute IQ) than your 450d even on full auto. In terms of IQ it's far more capable. You can only faff with these software settings so much but they're just confusing the issue. If it's not producing sharp shots on auto, with a lens that the 450d is shooting fine with then I'd just get the body looked at.

Forget settings for a while, I take it it's like this with all lenses?
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yes its the same with all lenses
 
Can you take a photo of the same subject (with same lighting) using the same lens but on different bodies using full auto. Post back.
 
odd jim said:
Your 6d should produce much better shots (in terms of absolute IQ) than your 450d even on full auto. In terms of IQ it's far more capable. You can only faff with these software settings so much but they're just confusing the issue. If it's not producing sharp shots on auto, with a lens that the 450d is shooting fine with then I'd just get the body looked at.

Forget settings for a while, I take it it's like this with all lenses?
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Jim
Whilst you're right about the settings, the reality is the OP is comparing apples with pears both lighting and focus tracking wise.
 
Phil V said:
Jim
Whilst you're right about the settings, the reality is the OP is comparing apples with pears both lighting and focus tracking wise.
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Very true, but there shouldn't be any negative effect on the 6d in terms of 'absolute' sharpness in the images (AF tracking and lighting, it's soft throughout). We need sample shots of static objects in the same light ideally. The 6d will track better than the 450d regardless especially in poor light, and while the OP might have used inappropriate AF settings I don't think that's the issue.
 
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odd jim said:
Very true, but there shouldn't be any negative effect on the 6d in terms of 'absolute' sharpness in the images (AF tracking and lighting, it's soft throughout). We need sample shots of static objects in the same light ideally. The 6d will track better than the 450d regardless especially in poor light, and while the OP might have used inappropriate AF settings I don't think that's the issue.
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But we don't know that there is Jim, the only example we have been shown is clearly OoF and shot in abysmal low contrast light compared to the older shot.

When someone can't recognise conditions to that extent, my money goes on user error before gear problems.
 
personally i think its camera settings that are causing the problem ,donna says she is new to photography and its fairly easy to mess up a couple of functions so there working against each other .we can all do it at times .i did the other night turned focus search off by mistake and went out for a couple of sessions convinced the camera or lens was faulty ,when it was my own fiddling about ,now rectified but i missed a couple of good shots because of it ,last week i went out shooting fieldfares and found the camera wouldn't focus it wasn't until i looked at the camera i realised the battery was at home in the charger .yes donna we all do it .
and don't forget when your looking at photos from self proclaimed experts your only seeing the best shots ,some of us take 500 to 1000 shots per session and only publish 2 or 3 .sit back ,chill out and read the manual ,and when you change any settings make a note so you remember to change it back if it doesnt work
 
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I'll post another pic from after that, same condition.
Also took some testerday
 
Phil V said:
But we don't know that there is Jim, the only example we have been shown is clearly OoF and shot in abysmal low contrast light compared to the older shot.

When someone can't recognise conditions to that extent, my money goes on user error before gear problems.
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That was certainly my initial thought but she says it's doing it all the time?

We need her to post a simple shot on auto to see if there's an issue!
 
friesianfan69 said:
I'll post another pic from after that, same condition.
Also took some testerday
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Can you just take a simple shot, on full auto of something reasonably well lit? That might show any equipment error and eliminate (to an extent) any possible user error.
 
Carlh said:
Its not much more complicated that the 600d I had, a few more menus and options yes, but basically the same setup (but ISO is so much better, lot less noise).

What are your focus points set up as? Perhaps you have it set for all focus points, it'll pick up the nearest object instead of what your actually aiming at.

Have you checked you havent got finger smudges on the lens? (either end)
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Its on autuomatic focus point
 
None of those are sharp, at least not as this resolution? But those aren't great images to test it with TBH.

Can you take a shot on auto of something reasonably close filling the frame?

"Good light" won't make a difference for the test, in terms of sharpness. The 6d can produce great images in all light!
 
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friesianfan69 said:
Its on autuomatic focus point
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I never tell newbies not to do 'auto' except this one.

How do you think your camera knows what your subject is?

For a complete newbie my advice is P mode but learn to use the focus system, the rest will come.

So back to your complaint, the 6d does indeed have quite an inferior AF system, but mine has never let me down because I appreciate its weaknesses. It's no speed machine, and all but the centre AF point are only good in good light. In low light or with tricky subjects, it's centre point only.

Those shots are in fairly poor light and with subjects which aren't particularly 'contrasty'. Your camera on 'auto focus point' is looking for the nearest object to the camera it can easily focus on. If I asked you to point that out to me, you'd struggle, and you have quite a complicated computer up there.

For the first shot you should have focussed on the child's face, which without the flash wouldn't have been particularly easy, but you'd have done it. For the second, it should have been the dogs nearest eye, again not easy, there's no real contrast. The 3rd, the nearest dogs face, again, there's very little contrast, and the camera wouldn't even try if you didn't force it to.
 
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Phil V said:
I never tell newbies not to do 'auto' except this one.

How do you think your camera knows what your subject is?

For a complete newbie my advice is P mode but learn to use the focus system, the rest will come.

So back to your complaint, the 6d does indeed have quite an inferior AF system, but mine has never let me down because I appreciate its weaknesses. It's no speed machine, and all but the centre AF point are only good in good light. In low light or with tricky subjects, it's centre point only.
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But the 6d doesn't have an inferior AF system as such? Especially compared to a 450d. That said, I always use centre AF point which tracks perfectly. It's worth remembering how sensitive the 6d's centre AF point is.

Auto AF would at worse miss the intended subject but there would be at least part of the image in focus, in the images posted none of it is in focus, the whole thing is soft.

But I agree with what you're saying about auto AF points - it's never the best way to use the camera.

I am erring back to user error though...
 
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odd jim said:
But the 6d doesn't have an inferior AF system? Especially compared to a 450d. That said, I always use centre AF point which tracks perfectly. It's worth remembering how sensitive the 6d's centre AF point is.

Auto AF would at worst miss the intended subject but there would be at least part of it in focus, in the images posted none of it is in focus.

But I agree with what you're saying about auto AF points - it's never the best way to use the camera.
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I haven't used a 450d, but my 6d is the worst of all all the DSLRs I've owned except the 300d (which it's similar enough to).

Like I said, the centre point is brilliant, and it's what I use in tricky lighting. And all those shots could have been nailed with the 6d only by using centre AF point and focus-recompose.

I've no idea whether the 450d would have made a better job of those shots (I'm doubtful), but I do know the only way a 6d would do it (as above), it's down to the user, not the camera.
 
Phil V said:
I haven't used a 450d, but my 6d is the worst of all all the DSLRs I've owned except the 300d (which it's similar enough to).

Like I said, the centre point is brilliant, and it's what I use in tricky lighting. And all those shots could have been nailed with the 6d only by using centre AF point and focus-recompose.

I've no idea whether the 450d would have made a better job of those shots (I'm doubtful), but I do know the only way a 6d would do it (as above), it's down to the user, not the camera.
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I've never had an issue with the 6d's AF, even shooting fast stuff indoors :) But then I never use auto select point AF and I haven't for years!

I get more keepers than my apparently faster bodies.

But even so, auto AF missing the target should still produce an image with *something* in focus, but I'm not seeing anything in focus.
 
odd jim said:
I've never had an issue with the 6d's AF, even shooting fast stuff indoors :) But then I never use auto select point AF and I haven't for years!

I get more keepers than my apparently faster bodies.

But even so, auto AF missing the target should still produce an image with *something* in focus, but I'm not seeing anything in focus.
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As you say it's not easy at those resolutions, but I think:
1, the stirrup is in focus, and it's a nice contrasty object.
2, the end of the dogs nose
3, the fence behind the nearest dog.

And they're all 'the closest point with some contrast' too.
 
I wonder if the op can post a screen grab from DPP showing which AF point was used?
 
donna ,as the others are trying to point out to you in techie talk ,your not doing yourself any favours by not really knowing what your doing and expecting the camera to overcome your lack of skills (thats being truthful not bitchy btw) you really do need to take a deep breath and learn what it can and can't do .based on you using the the 24-105 L lens ,set the camera to f8 ,put it into centre point focus only ,then a/v mode ,iso at this time of year around 800iso .when looking through the viewfinder check your shutter speed is over 1/500th sec if less either up your iso or open shutter wider i.e f4 .,as phil has said your centre point is the best so get that on the subjects eyes be it person ,horse or dog . take a few test shots and see what they come out like ..

the other thing that no one is taking into account is any p.p skills you either have or don't have .if you could let us know how and with what your processing we may be able to point you to something better .and whether your on windows or mac based
 
Thanks to you all, I can take advice without being insulted.
I got to learn , I've read the manual again X again .
I'm using pc on Windows 10 j.peg.
I have put my focus point to middle and will try again .
I'll get there eventually.
Think I'll buy myself a decent book.
 
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Hi Donna
It's not about 'insults', you'll get far more from this site than any book. Stick with us.

My favourite analogy for photography is to music. It requires some technical knowledge and some creativity. You can get a long way with loads of technical stuff and a bit of creativity, and you can get a long way with a bit of technical and a lot of creativity. But without at least a bit of both, you're knackered.

Look above how much more of a detailed answer you have from giving more details of what you've been doing. The more you engage, the better advice you'll get, and the more you'll learn. :)
 
Donna, I have just purchased this book "Canon EOS 6D David Taylor Paperback" off EBay for £8.00 or so, I have not read it all yet but it is more in depth than the manual and in layman terms too.

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Do you know a more experienced photographer who could take a look, more than likely a user problem, but could be equipment based.

Really need to get it sorted to put your mind at rest and if needed the camera returned, I'm no expert, but if you are anywhere near Cambridge I will take a look.

I've gone over to Fuji after using Canon for a fair few years so know how they work, also my daughter has a Canon L lens that I know works well.

In my opinion it needs resetting to factory default then tested on a tripod with a lens that is known to be good.
 
James A Robertson said:
Donna, I have just purchased this book "Canon EOS 6D David Taylor Paperback" off EBay for £8.00 or so, I have not read it all yet but it is more in depth than the manual and in layman terms too.

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on my christmas wish list thankyou, also the 6d for dummies lol
 
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Pics from last friday
f/4 1/1000
iso 640
 

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odd jim said:
None of those are sharp, at least not as this resolution? But those aren't great images to test it with TBH.

Can you take a shot on auto of something reasonably close filling the frame?

"Good light" won't make a difference for the test, in terms of sharpness. The 6d can produce great images in all light!
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only just seen this, ok
 
Post a reasonable sized image on flickr and past the link here, cant check ultimate sharpness with files this small. Also, tell us where your point of focus was at the time or take a screen shot from DPP or use the Lightroom show AF point plug in.
 
friesianfan69 said:
What error for no 2?
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I dont know where your AF point was or your AF settings, looks like the childs face is out of focus, without the proper information and larger files to check AF this is a guessing game.
 
twist said:
I dont know where your AF point was or your AF settings, looks like the childs face is out of focus, without the proper information and larger files to check AF this is a guessing game.
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i couldnt load proper picture so had to upload from facebook , but pic was f/4 , 1/1000 iso 800, af point was scattered, ive since moved it to centre so will try that out tomorrow
 
friesianfan69 said:
i couldnt load proper picture so had to upload from facebook , but pic was f/4 , 1/1000 iso 800, af point was scattered, ive since moved it to centre so will try that out tomorrow
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I'm very confident you will have better results with centre AF point, its the fastest point with the 6D and you have control of where you are focusing. Good luck :)
 
friesianfan69 said:
What error for no 2?
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The camera has done exactly what it was designed to. :)

With multiple AF points selected, it's found a nice area of contrast close to the camera and locked on to it, in this case the purple line that's attached to the bridle (don't know what it's called)

You really need to be selecting the AF point, but for images like that, the centre point will be in the wrong place, you'll need the top centre or thereabouts.
 
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