Canon 600D or 60D?! :/

CanonEOS said:
You will always get the "PLASTIC" body answer everytime on any forums and when Canon goes to Carbon Fibre you just wait all the alloy people will jump out and do the same, i agree with you it is and always will be polycarbonate on 60D.;)

Problem is some people just don't like change in different materials.:)
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Like I said, they won't and have no need to build a production camera from carbon fibre. The costs would be too prohibitive.

A 5d mk2 made of carbon fibre (for instance) would cost near on £10k.
 
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odd jim said:
A 5d mk2 made of carbon fibre (for instance) would cost near on £10k.
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And camera enthusiasts would still pay it ;) Haha!!

I think the Magnisium Alloy fanboys forget, that magnesium isn't all that strong anyway. It warps and mishapes easily. I know that, because in chemistry class at school we used to cut it up with scalpels and burn it! :lol:

All of it is just a big marketing technique :)
 
Eddzz!! said:
And camera enthusiasts would still pay it ;) Haha!!

I think the Magnisium Alloy fanboys forget, that magnesium isn't all that strong anyway. It warps and mishapes easily. I know that, because in chemistry class at school we used to cut it up with scalpels and burn it! :lol:

All of it is just a big marketing technique :)
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The main advantage of mag' alloy is that it wears better and stands the test of time far better than polycarbonate or any other type of plastic. Both will crack from blunt force impacts.
 
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Polycarbonate is the material of choice when a transparent polymer with good impact resistance is required. An example of its use is in the riot shields used by police
forces.
 
CanonEOS said:
True but you will not convince others;)

But Nikon is looking into it, but today we have carbon fibre tripods why not cameras?.
http://nikonrumors.com/2010/09/10/nikon-working-on-a-carbon-fibre-slr-body.aspx/
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Like I said, the costs are currently prohibitive for a full production run, and it takes a long time to build, not something you can currently run on a automated production line. It takes a highly skilled worker some time to cut and weave the carbon fibre. It's not too dissimilar to a highly skilled tailor cutting a suit, but with multiple layers!

Carbon fibre tripods arnt full carbon fibre they are CFRP as per one of my posts above.
 
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JSER said:
Polycarbonate is the material of choice when a transparent polymer with good impact resistance is required. An example of its use is in the riot shields used by police
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It certainly is, and it's used for visors on crash helmets and even side windows on some exotic production cars.
 
odd jim said:
The main advantage of mag' alloy is that it wears better and stands the test of time far better than polycarbonate or any other type of plastic. Both will crack from blunt force impacts.
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Wow, so my polycarbonate camera will only last 100 years not 200, Id better get an alloy one today !
 
JSER said:
Wow, so my polycarbonate camera will only last 100 years not 200, Id better get an alloy one today !
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No I meant wear from use, over time. I'm sure the 60d will outlive most of it's users, albeit with some scuff marks!

But still, a well looked after polycarbonate body no doubt will out live a badly treated mag alloy body!
 
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I'd suggest the 60D too, I downgraded from the 7D and haven't loooked back.

Oh and either way take a look at MagicLantern
 
JohnN said:
I'd suggest the 60D too, I downgraded from the 7D and haven't loooked back.

Oh and either way take a look at MagicLantern
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You downgraded?! Well I think that's the first time I've ever heard that! :eek:

I had heard about MagicLantern but have always been a little sceptical. How much of a difference does it make? :thinking:
 
Really depends on what you want to do - 90% of the time it just sits in the background doing noting, but if you want to get focus spot on in liveview, or use trap focus etc its great.
 
odd jim said:
Like I said, they won't and have no need to build a production camera from carbon fibre. The costs would be too prohibitive.

A 5d mk2 made of carbon fibre (for instance) would cost near on £10k.
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It wouldn't cost anywhere near that.

You probably won't see an outer shell made from carbon fibre composites because there's probably no real point doing so, except for marketing. That said, marketing drives a fair few things (like people insisting uncompressed RAW has more information than lossless compressed RAW...)
 
ausemmao said:
It wouldn't cost anywhere near that.

You probably won't see an outer shell made from carbon fibre composites because there's probably no real point doing so, except for marketing. That said, marketing drives a fair few things (like people insisting uncompressed RAW has more information than lossless compressed RAW...)
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I'm only going by what I paid for carbon fibre car bit and bobs when I was heavily involved in motorsport, and the more intricate the part, the more expensive they were fabricate, and a full on full carbon fibre body (which I agree, there's no point in building) would be silly money.
 
In answer to 7D to 60D - primarily because of micro adjustment, having a number of zooms and MA being fixed to a single adjustment per lens (fixed at last with the 1DX) it meant that no matter how much I worked to fix it the lenses would always be just a little off, so I seemed to spend more time tweaking and not enough time actually using the camera.

When I swapped to the 60D not only did I get Magic Lantern but magically all my lenses "just worked", now more than likely my lenses were always fine and I had a weird 7D, or that I just never got it working right - either way the downgrade worked for me and as a bonus sold it on eBay for more than I actually bought it for!
 
Hope you didn't mind my asking there was no ulteria motive, just interested, I would have got a 7D but I wanted the vari-angle screen
 
JohnN said:
I'm not sure what you mean..
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Some people pick up on my posts expecting me to somehow have an ulteria motive for asking, I was just interested, in case some thought I was going to come out with a flippant comment.

I have the 60D too, I enjoy it.
 
No, no motive other than removing frustration - the fact that it works pretty much just the same for the way I use the camera is great, even for birds in flight.

Now don't get me wrong, the 7D has excellent AF and great burst speed when its needed, but back then I used to pixel peep too much and coupled with the ever present MA war it was just not that fun. Still no doubt I'll get the v2 about a year after it comes out :)

Although if someone wanted to buy my 60D for twice the going rate I could manufacture an ulterior motive ;)
 
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JohnN said:
No, no motive other than removing frustration - the fact that it works pretty much just the same for the way I use the camera is great, even for birds in flight.

Now don't get me wrong, the 7D has excellent AF and great burst speed when its needed, but back then I used to pixel peep too much and coupled with the ever present MA war it was just not that fun. Still no doubt I'll get the v2 about a year after it comes out :)

Although if someone wanted to buy my 60D for twice the going rate I could manufacture an ulterior motive ;)
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Don'y you miss the frame rate though
 
I recently upgraded to a 600d from a 450d. The articulated screen is great for macro, video and low level shooting and it also protects the screen when not in use. I toyed with the idea of upgrading to a 60d but could not justify the expense until recently. Last week I wandered into BestBuy for a look at the closing down sale and walked out £585 lighter after picking up a brand new 60d. So presently, and to my wife's dismay, I now own both. Its not much of an upgrade but the body just fits better in my hands. The 600d somehow felt slightly smaller than my 450d. If i was you and could stretch to cover the 60d then that would be my 1st choice. Else you will always have the 'what if?' question floating around.
 
Anyone used Digital Rev before? Estimated delivery date for me is 26th December. However, my camera touched down in the UK today at 2:00pm! Am I likely to get it tomorrow?! :)
 
JSER said:
Don'y you miss the frame rate though
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No, I've still got the 5D - restricting myself to using only it during Christmas!

Eddzz!! said:
Anyone used Digital Rev before? Estimated delivery date for me is 26th December. However, my camera touched down in the UK today at 2:00pm! Am I likely to get it tomorrow?! :)
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Don't even get me started on them!!! Really - search some of my threads in the past, I've ranted a few times! But in fairness when I did get an order form them it was very very quick, so maybe :)
 
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craig.walton2 said:
I recently upgraded to a 600d from a 450d. The articulated screen is great for macro, video and low level shooting and it also protects the screen when not in use. I toyed with the idea of upgrading to a 60d but could not justify the expense until recently. Last week I wandered into BestBuy for a look at the closing down sale and walked out £585 lighter after picking up a brand new 60d. So presently, and to my wife's dismay, I now own both. Its not much of an upgrade but the body just fits better in my hands. The 600d somehow felt slightly smaller than my 450d. If i was you and could stretch to cover the 60d then that would be my 1st choice. Else you will always have the 'what if?' question floating around.
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When using extension tubes people always say the view through the eyepiece is dull, who cares, with the vari-angle screen on the 60d and live view when you can zoom into focus who looks through the eyepiece.....
 
JSER said:
When using extension tubes people always say the view through the eyepiece is dull, who cares, with the vari-angle screen on the 60d and live view when you can zoom into focus who looks through the eyepiece.....
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Exactly, and using the digital zoom and manual focus makes focusing really easy.
 
JohnN said:
Don't even get me started on them!!! Really - search some of my threads in the past, I've ranted a few times! But in fairness when I did get an order form them it was very very quick, so maybe :)
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Links? I'm very worried now!! :shake:
 
odd jim said:
I'm only going by what I paid for carbon fibre car bit and bobs when I was heavily involved in motorsport, and the more intricate the part, the more expensive they were fabricate, and a full on full carbon fibre body (which I agree, there's no point in building) would be silly money.
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You'd have been paying for custom moulds and hand finishing. Single run components are horrendously expensive because of that. On a product with a production run into the tens or hundreds of thousands, the time can be taken to automate the process and use longer lasting moulds, which would reduce unit cost a long way. Bit off topic though!
 
Eddzz!! said:
Links? I'm very worried now!! :shake:
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No, don't be in many ways they are a good company. I just bought from their eBay branch which means no local support, poor turnaround times and separately ran into poor customer service and argumentative staff.

All that aside many people trust them, I just don;t happen to be one of them.
 
JohnN said:
In answer to 7D to 60D - primarily because of micro adjustment, having a number of zooms and MA being fixed to a single adjustment per lens (fixed at last with the 1DX) it meant that no matter how much I worked to fix it the lenses would always be just a little off, so I seemed to spend more time tweaking and not enough time actually using the camera.

When I swapped to the 60D not only did I get Magic Lantern but magically all my lenses "just worked", now more than likely my lenses were always fine and I had a weird 7D, or that I just never got it working right - either way the downgrade worked for me and as a bonus sold it on eBay for more than I actually bought it for!
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I take it you tried just resetting the MA back to zero across the board?

The only problem with MA is sometimes people go looking for problems that arn't there then inadvertently create one!
 
Aye, that I did - ran various tests (charts, on screen calibration, brick wall, battery - the list seemed endless).

Now back to Eddzz, I can't recall if they sent via RM - hope they did, he may have got it, if courier I doubt it.

Either way not long now :)
 
JohnN said:
Aye, that I did - ran various tests (charts, on screen calibration, brick wall, battery - the list seemed endless).

Now back to Eddzz, I can't recall if they sent via RM - hope they did, he may have got it, if courier I doubt it.

Either way not long now :)
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It's been sent from Hong Kong by Aramex - hell knows who takes care of the delivery on the ground! It's still not here :( I can't imagine I'll get it until the 28th at the earliest, despite the email saying the 26th! :cuckoo:
 
I doubt their email took into account the UK bank holiday.
I decided on the 60D myself over the 600D, mostly because of the build quality and the added control ring/top LCD. The pentaprism viewfinder was a nice feature.. 7dayshop do some good deals on SD cards. I picked me up a couple of 32GB ones for <£30 6+ months ago - worth checking out if you've not got enough.
 
DoctorBob said:
7dayshop do some good deals on SD cards. I picked me up a couple of 32GB ones for <£30 6+ months ago - worth checking out if you've not got enough.
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Cheers for the tip, Bob! Am I right in thinking that class 10 SD cards are the ones to go for? I've heard you need a certain type of SD(HC/XC) card to record decent film at 1080p! :shrug:
 
Class 10 just means it's capable of at least 10MB/s write speed. That'll be sufficient for 1080p video from most* devices. The 60D recommends class 6 and above cards for video (6MB/s) - this is based on a 1080p video from the camera taking up around 5.6MB of space every second.

Class 10 are definitely the slowest ones to go for IMO, especially when dealing with very large cards like 32GB. You'll appreciate the added speed when copying to computer! Be aware, the ones I got from 7dayshop I actually sent back the first time because they were only hitting around 8MB/s. The replacements were double that :)

*read: consumer.
 
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