Canon 6 D spec

Meh is what comes to my mind. The AF is no good for anything but landscape photography. Well, it will be interesting to see if the sensor is optimised for lower ISOs, but I can't see myself getting one anyway. 5D3 here I come
 
Ivan - for a lot of people with 20D-50Ds this could be a nice upgrade (especially once the price drops a few hundred quid).

Don't the 20-50Ds only have 9-11 AF points anyway so they may not be missed - but maybe they could have been spread about a bit more and all cross-type.

At least they have priced it £884 cheaper (at WEX's current prices) than the 5D3.
 
I suppose that the AF points on the 20-50D's were spread out more in effect because of the APS-C sensor.
 
bigrob said:
I suppose that the AF points on the 20-50D's were spread out more in effect because of the APS-C sensor.
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effectively that thing only has 1 (one!) AF point dead in the centre, and LV for manual focusing :cuckoo:

I could see Canon board discussing ways to cripple 6D. They did a good job :thumbs:
 
bigrob said:
Ivan - for a lot of people with 20D-50Ds this could be a nice upgrade (especially once the price drops a few hundred quid).

Don't the 20-50Ds only have 9-11 AF points anyway so they may not be missed - but maybe they could have been spread about a bit more and all cross-type.

At least they have priced it £884 cheaper (at WEX's current prices) than the 5D3.
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This camera with current features should be firmly in the sub £1K category. At current prices is not good value for money. Anyone seriously looking to go FF, will find the 5DMKIII price/features balance more attractive.

At this price, the 6D should have at the very least 19 AF points (all cross type). As it is, not for me thanx.
 
Rebel t3i said:
you can't compare import grey non vat prices with current uk prices of the latest release
the 5d mk3 was 3k uk
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Current cheapest UK price for a 5D3 body is £2469.00 from Mathers and most retailers are pegging it closer to £2700.
 
I think it will be interesting to see how it performs when it is tested rather than just judging it on it's tech spec list
canon aren't daft
 
IGADIZ said:
At this price, the 6D should have at the very least 19 AF points (all cross type). As it is, not for me thanx.
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Yep I agree with you there.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Forget the price, this has a worse AF system than the 650D ?!?!?!
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Exactly! I can live with the 4.5 fps & lack of headphone socket, it's the AF system that is putting me off the most & I guess most other prospective buyers will be thinking the same way.
 
Rebel t3i said:
I think it will be interesting to see how it performs when it is tested rather than just judging it on it's tech spec list
canon aren't daft
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Um, did you see the AF system they put in the 5DII?
 
wonder if they have a reason for it only being 11 is it from an ease of use point of view or purely a marketing point of view so it doesn't challenge it's bigger brothers
I see it as an entry level FF dslr but it's price isn't
 
I don't often comment in these type of threads - but it's amazing what the 'gear' types complain about that the photographers find unimportant.

Go to the tips pages and find most photographers shoot centre point only - but Canon get slated for 11 focus points:cuckoo:.

And a 97% viewfinder (or thereabouts) has been normal for years, 100% VF's for the average photographer are a relatively new thing. Given that humans will squeeze as much into their view as possible, it's actually good that the camera makers build you in a little breathing space - for when you have detail up to the edge of the frame and you've stepped back as far as you can. I must have owned 20 SLRs and my 7d is the only 100% VF I've ever owned (including MF cameras).

That said - it should be nearer in price to the 7d which beats it in every respect except IQ.
 
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The23rdman said:
Um, did you see the AF system they put in the 5DII?
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:lol::lol:
read about it lots so avoided the 5d mk2
surely they won't make the same mistake twice
and how many focus points do we actually use
 
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Phil, surely those tips on shooting with centre points only were written when most cameras came with 1 crossed centre points and only the few can afford the pro spec and price camera from the 1D.

So the tips are as old as the tech. Except the tech has moved on, canon has implemented a 9 crossed focused point on their entry level camera in the 650D do why not on the 6D?

Besides, these tips? Absurd and stupid, what happened to rules of 3rd? Guess why they teach you to focus and recompose right? Again? As a result of old tech. I mean would you focus and recompose on a 1Dx?
 
I've been planning on going 7D as soon as I can afford it.

Although the lure of 'the beauty of full frame' is strong reviews of the 6D are going to want to NOT whine about the focus system, or not say 'it's nearly as good as the 7D' to convince me this is a better bet than the 7D.

It would also render my beloved 10-22mm lens redundant, although I suppose a slide to a 17-40mm L series wouldn't be a bad thing now, would it?
 
Phil V said:
I don't often comment in these type of threads - but it's amazing what the 'gear' types complain about that the photographers find unimportant.

Go to the tips pages and find most photographers shoot centre point only - but Canon get slated for 11 focus points:cuckoo:.
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Phil, have you ever tried to focus/recompose whilst shooting a small child on the move at f1.4 or f1.6? Can't be done successfully. In fact, due to plane shift focus/recompose is wholly unreliable wide open with any fast prime. Most 5DII users will admit to cropping heavily and using the center focus point.

Raymond Lin said:
Phil, surely those tips on shooting with centre points only were written when most cameras came with 1 crossed centre points and only the few can afford the pro spec and price camera from the 1D.

So the tips are as old as the tech. Except the tech has moved on, canon has implemented a 9 crossed focused point on their entry level camera in the 650D do why not on the 6D?

Besides, these tips? Absurd and stupid, what happened to rules of 3rd? Guess why they teach you to focus and recompose right? Again? As a result of old tech. I mean would you focus and recompose on a 1Dx?
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Exactly.
 
Rebel t3i said:
:lol::lol:
read about it lots so avoided the 5d mk2
surely they won't make the same mistake twice
and how many focus points do we actually use
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I don't know how many you use, but I use pretty much all of mine on my D700/D300.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Phil, surely those tips on shooting with centre points only were written when most cameras came with 1 crossed centre points and only the few can afford the pro spec and price camera from the 1D.

So the tips are as old as the tech. Except the tech has moved on, canon has implemented a 9 crossed focused point on their entry level camera in the 650D do why not on the 6D?

Besides, these tips? Absurd and stupid, what happened to rules of 3rd? Guess why they teach you to focus and recompose right? Again? As a result of old tech. I mean would you focus and recompose on a 1Dx?
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I know those tips are old tech and stuff, but look at the focus points even http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/1dxlayout.jpg"]on the 1dx[/URL] - the number of focus points is marketing bulls*1£. There's loads of points but they're bunched round the centre of the screen, more so on the FF models than the croppers (due to ease of build rather than what's required?):shrug:
In fact the intersection of thirds is right on the edge of the focus point cluster on the FF Canon's.

I use all the focus points on my cameras, but due to me being a bit picky, I still need to focus recompose loads. When we see cameras that'll focus anywhere on the sensor - then I'll be impressed - it's how I use the camera on my phone;) which also lets me meter from anywhere within the frame too - quickly and efficiently, no compensation, no multiple buttons and wheels - just choose my metering mid point by pressing the screen and shoot. In my head - this would be done by eye movement in the viewfinder (like in the old days with my EOS 30).
 
The23rdman said:
Um, did you see the AF system they put in the 5DII?
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...which is exactly why I can't understand the lack of interest in 2nd hand 1 Ds 3 bodies.....45 point af....
 
I think I'd prefer this one, some people have SD cards, like myself and I'm very close to preordering, the SD cards also fit in the camera connection kit for the iPad, it's win win I think...
 
Phil.

Cameras have moved on, tech has moved on and technique will need to be updated with the tools in disposal. Point is that you spend more money on a higher class camera, you expect it to be better (than the 650D). Period.

p.s. there will never be a camera with AF focus spread acrossed the screen. Pure physics. Light falls off towards the edge of the lens massively, hence they are all bunched together, and they will be packed nearer the centre than the edge.
 
George said:
...which is exactly why I can't understand the lack of interest in 2nd hand 1 Ds 3 bodies.....45 point af....
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They're still quite expensive relatively though. Why spend 2K on one when there are better cameras out for that money now.
 
Phil V said:
I know those tips are old tech and stuff, but look at the focus points even http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/1dxlayout.jpg"]on the 1dx[/URL] - the number of focus points is marketing bulls*1£. There's loads of points but they're bunched round the centre of the screen, more so on the FF models than the croppers (due to ease of build rather than what's required?):shrug:
In fact the intersection of thirds is right on the edge of the focus point cluster on the FF Canon's.

I use all the focus points on my cameras, but due to me being a bit picky, I still need to focus recompose loads. When we see cameras that'll focus anywhere on the sensor - then I'll be impressed - it's how I use the camera on my phone;) which also lets me meter from anywhere within the frame too - quickly and efficiently, no compensation, no multiple buttons and wheels - just choose my metering mid point by pressing the screen and shoot. In my head - this would be done by eye movement in the viewfinder (like in the old days with my EOS 30).
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Please do get informed before posting. The amount of old fashioned, outdated BS you have typed in the last two post, is enough to fertilize a large vegetable field. :p

Raymond Lin said:
Phil.

Cameras have moved on, tech has moved on and technique will need to be updated with the tools in disposal. Point is that you spend more money on a higher class camera, you expect it to be better (than the 650D). Period.

p.s. there will never be a camera with AF focus spread acrossed the screen. Pure physics. Light falls off towards the edge of the lens massively, hence they are all bunched together, and they will be packed nearer the centre than the edge.
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Exactly!
 
i think he's point is more towards usefulness for togs point of view rather than physics point of view.

i agree with point about full frame AF points. i used to use multi-point on crop, but when i switched to full frame, i found they are too close together, and will require recompose anyway. so ended up doing centre point focus-recompose.


the 11 AF points do seem like marketing BS though. it's so close to 9 point seems pointless.
 
Rebel t3i said:
another model cleverly squeezed into their complex range
be interesting to see how they have priced it
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Was beginning to think the very same thing. They're in danger of offering too much choice!!
 
wuyanxu said:
i think he's point is more towards usefulness for togs point of view rather than physics point of view.

i agree with point about full frame AF points. i used to use multi-point on crop, but when i switched to full frame, i found they are too close together, and will require recompose anyway. so ended up doing centre point focus-recompose.


the 11 AF points do seem like marketing BS though. it's so close to 9 point seems pointless.
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Answer below.

The23rdman said:
...[snip]... have you ever tried to focus/recompose whilst shooting a small child on the move at f1.4 or f1.6? Can't be done successfully. In fact, due to plane shift focus/recompose is wholly unreliable wide open with any fast prime....[snip]...
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wuyanxu said:
i agree with point about full frame AF points. i used to use multi-point on crop
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The AF points are in the same place, you now have more sensor outside it.

Thus it looks like they have all of the suddent pushed further in but in fact they have never moved. You have more sensor.
 
The23rdman said:
Well, for a couple of hundred quid more you could have a brand new 5DIII for Digitalrev or a nice D800.
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...I'd suggest about £6-700 more, anyway it's a futile argument, really goes on personal preference and build quality.

Good job we're not all the same!!:)
 
George said:
...I'd suggest about £6-700 more, anyway it's a futile argument, really goes on personal preference and build quality.

Good job we're not all the same!!:)
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It is all about personal preference etc but you can get a 5DMKIII for £1938 delivered to your door now.
 
Musicman said:
Including VAT from a UK retailer?
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Well it's not a UK retailer, it's Hong Kong, but I have no reason to doubt that the VAT wouldn't have been paid already.

I'm not sure that is relevant anyway, I thought it was about price point.
 
graphilly said:
Well it's not a UK retailer, it's Hong Kong, but I have no reason to doubt that the VAT wouldn't have been paid already.

I'm not sure that is relevant anyway, I thought it was about price point.
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They don't pay the vat or import fees. They try to avoid them and will refund you if it gets caught. It is how they are so much cheaper than a UK retailer.
 
graphilly said:
Well it's not a UK retailer, it's Hong Kong, but I have no reason to doubt that the VAT wouldn't have been paid already.

I'm not sure that is relevant anyway, I thought it was about price point.
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The total price is really what's relevant and that must include all taxes. Are you able to let us in to the secret?
 
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