Canon 5Ds & 5Dr

5abi said:
I think all the positives of these young cameras far outweigh the negatives including the battery life. Swapping over the batteries is a doddle though you just have to do it twice as much.
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"Young cameras"? That's a strange adjective to use!
 
I know I know. Random innit.

And I meant younger cameras. As in mirror less deliciousness
 
Ok, but nothing to do with the 5ds / r!
 
For those who reserved what will you be using the 5DS or 5DS R for? Wildlife? Birds? Landscape? Studio?
 
Well, after attending a Canon Roadshow seminar today at my local(-ish) camera shop, I'm pretty certain the 5DSR is not going to be the next body for me. I'm sure it will be excellent, but low light performance is a key factor in my choice, and it appears the 5DSR is not fantastic on that front.
 
dolina said:
For those who reserved what will you be using the 5DS or 5DS R for? Wildlife? Birds? Landscape? Studio?
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I don't see it has any application in wildlife unless it's stuffed!!......FPS, ISO performance will preclude it from that, for me it's strictly landscape or maybe studio. Looks like the noise performance is pretty close to the 7D2, which I am reluctant to use over 1600.

George.
 
The fields highlighted in the presentation were landscape, travel, fashion, portraiture, studio, stock, architecture and interiors.
 
Yes, and this is one of the key reasons I'm going to hold on and see what the Mk4 brings. Surely Canon are going to address this issue at some point soon?
 
julianhj said:
Yes, and this is one of the key reasons I'm going to hold on and see what the Mk4 brings. Surely Canon are going to address this issue at some point soon?
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It's their last chance to do before some people seriously start jumping ship as they will have to wait for another 4 years to see a mk5
 
Why are people going to seriously jump ship. Better dynamic range and high MP has been available since the D800 and now the D750

If thats what people want why are they buying 5D3 s in the first place.

Anyone would think that the 5D3 is a bad camera
 
The 5d3 Dr was good at the time and no one could predict that nikon equivalent would smash the mk3.now they have no excuse
 
Gaz J said:
The 5D3 is still a good camera. Everyone gets so hung up on DR and Noise. If they spent as much time improving their photography as they do banging on about that they'd be better off.
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You can be Joe mcnally or an equivalent legend yet u can't increase DR or reduce noise through skill.
You make it sound as if it takes years of time to write a simple post explaining a need for more DR etc..

Doesn't take more then 1min of your time
 
Who cares. It's not the holy grail for everyone. Some of us like to get out and take images using what we've got and don't give a toss about DR as long as we are HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS. Try it. It's great.
 
Gaz J said:
Who cares. It's not the holy grail for everyone. Some of us like to get out and take images using what we've got and don't give a toss about DR as long as we are HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS. Try it. It's great.
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I've tried it and do enjoy it yet I know canon are lagging way behind. Why don't you try both?

Admit that the gear you may have is inferior to others and still enjoy. Why has it got to be one or the other?
 
Admit that your gear is inferior... Ha ha ha... Now who is on a soap box with the old Nikon Canon argument....
 
Another point that was made in yesterday's presentation was that some people just like to have the best kit available, even if they are not top amateurs or professionals. I accept that others will criticise this outlook, but it's a fact that can't be ignored. Sales matter to Canon, and they will gain sales from people with that outlook as the 5DS will offer an exceptional level of detail, along with some other nice features. With regard to jumping ship to a different brand, again I believe that is a reality for some.
 
If Sony push out their 50mp equivalent sensor as expected in the next month or two than people will lap that up instead. Especially if they maintain the same DR as before or even better it
 
jonneymendoza said:
If Sony push out their 50mp equivalent sensor as expected in the next month or two than people will lap that up instead. Especially if they maintain the same DR as before or even better it
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It's not as simple as that though.

These new Canon's may still offer some real advantages to some people if not in any technical way then in a financial way as if you're sat with a bag full of Canon lenses changing to Sony may get you murdered by your other half when they see the next bank statement.

The Sony A7 series are IMVHO wonderful cameras and any future 50mp Sony may wipe the floor with the Canon's for dynamic range and shadow noise and even my Panasonic MFT cameras have advantages over the Canon DSLR's I had in a couple of respects but DR and noise aren't the only things that people consider, there's a bigger picture for some people.
 
Try also remember that Canon has a LOT of pro lenses (and compatible accessories and 3rd party support) and unlike the Sony using an adapter for Canon lenses, those lenses will have very good AF. A camera doesnt make a system.
 
And what is nikon excuse? That's an alternative. Not just Sony. I was speaking more of Sony sensors tbh. Nikon can come with a d900 that's 50mp
 
jonneymendoza said:
I've tried it and do enjoy it yet I know canon are lagging way behind. Why don't you try both?

Admit that the gear you may have is inferior to others and still enjoy. Why has it got to be one or the other?
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I don't need to try both and I certainly don't admit that my Canon bodies are inferior to Nikons. I don't like Nikons ergonomics and that for me, as primarily a wildlife photographer, takes them out of the equation. Also you're just talking about one part of a camera and even then it's not as clear cut as you make out.

I look at the whole camera when I make a decision to buy and that ensures that the camera I buy is the best for me. A bit of dynamic range and high ISO noise doesn't bother me.

For you to suggest that these are the criteria that cameras should be judged by is just plain daft.

But you carry on chasing photographic nirvana. Changing brands in this never ending search for the ultimate image. I'm happy with what I have
 
Gaz J said:
For you to suggest that these are the criteria that cameras should be judged by is just plain daft.

But you carry on chasing photographic nirvana. Changing brands in this never ending search for the ultimate image. I'm happy with what I have
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I don't think it's plain daft at all, certainly no more daft than accepting what some would see as inferior image quality for what you consider better ergonomics. Those two opposing views should reinforce your own assertion that there's more to it.
 
Interesting poll on dpreview...

What's most important to you in a camera?
  • Dynamic range 23.9%
  • High ISO image quality 23.1%
  • AF performance 22.6%
  • Resolution 18.3%
  • Continuous shooting speed / buffer 10.2%
  • I don't care - I'm just putting pics on Facebook 1.8%
Total voters: 4,452
 
jonneymendoza said:
Larger than af. Iso. Dr.?
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If only one aspect were important we'd all be buying the same camera, I am not arguing DR isn't important but it's not the be all and end all for most people otherwise Nikon or Sony would supplant Canon in market share no?
 
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