Canon 1D MkII or MKIIn

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I'm looking at upgrading from my 20D (unfortunately the 1D MkIII is out of my price range) and I have spotted 2 reconditioned 1D MkII (a MkII and a MkIIn)models for sale, I know that basically they are the same camera, the 1D MkIIn has a few extra's (Larger LCD.....etc) and you may have to do more post processing on the images from the 1D MkII, my question is......is it worth playing the extra ££ for the MkIIn version.

Any help would be appreciated

Peter
 
I don't think you'll go wrong with either version. although I'd say get the n depending on the price difference.

I have the 1DMK2n and I'm also upgrading my 20D to a 40D, a route you should perhaps consider? With spot metering, a larger oputput file, more pixels, spot metering, vastly improved AF and Digic 3 processor, the improvements are very siginificant.
 
I'm planning on upgrading my two 1d mk1 to 1dmk2d i have had a good look at this myself and you're maybe looking at ~£300 difference in price - but for every 1 1dmk2d that goes on the market there are about 4-5 1dmk2.
if you want to PM a link to the two camera's i will give a view to the price etc - I'm not ready to buy yet (about 6 weeks before i have the money) I would expect to pay £1000-1200 for a 1dmk2 and 1300-1600 for the n - these are prices from dealers, as i need a recept and some comeback if the goods are faulty on arrival
 
I would say CT is bang on the money their. I never updated my 20D to the 30D because I felt the improvments were not enough to justify it and from some corners I heard they would get a 2nd hand 20D over a 30D? The 40D has massive improvments I'm still a bit questionable about mine but it is an early version.
 
I got an n off ebay. Inaddition to my 20D (which is now a second body). I couldn't see much point in just going for the 11 apart from the high frame rate. The larger screen was a big plus point for me.
I mainly got it as at the time the mk111 had problems with the AF.
 
natjag said:
I mainly got it as at the time the mk111 had problems with the AF.
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The latest news is that Canon have identified a second problem, not connected with the original secondary mirror problem. They're being a bit cagey about what the problem is, but are confident it will be a 100% fix. It will result in all Mk3 bodies being recalled.

A little worryingly, Andy Rouse has been field trialling a 1DSMK3 and he's not impressed with the AF system one bit!
 
CT - That's good and bad news. Good only from the point that just after I got the mk11n the AF fix was resolved, bad because the canon 1d/s mk111 should be a market leader for editorial work or studio etc depending on body type. Plus I was due to get a 1ds mk111, perhaps I'll find a second hand mk11.
 
Well - the news on the 1DMK3 is pukka. Andy's view on the 1DS MK3 is the only one I've read, and to be fair I find his views on a variety of issues somewhat changeable. For instance for ages he was poo pooing any suggestion that there was anything wrong with the 1DMK3 in the face of all the opinion to the contrary - he's now saying it's a load of crap and he's thinking of jumping ship to Nikon.

As the 1DSMK3 is now available on the market though, having the same AF system as the 1DMK3 with this latest problem only just discovered, it points to issues that are going to need addressing I would think?
 
CT said:
The latest news is that Canon have identified a second problem, not connected with the original secondary mirror problem. They're being a bit cagey about what the problem is, but are confident it will be a 100% fix. It will result in all Mk3 bodies being recalled.

A little worryingly, Andy Rouse has been field trialling a 1DSMK3 and he's not impressed with the AF system one bit!
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As well as a slope in the viewfinder relative to the sensor. The net result being images that are around 0.2 - 1 degree out on the horizontal line. Mine had it - all it needed was a grid option in the view finder but not there. Really hard to shoot with due to it.

Crazy.
 
interesting...I suspect the 1dsIII's designation is somewhat different to the sports orientated 1dIII so its focusing 'fault' wasn't coming to the fore at the same pace the non-s was presenting. similarly the numbers of s users would, I guess, be somewhat smaller than the non-s. there has been some mention though that there was a delay to the release of the s due to a 'sneaky' sub-mirror fix as seen in the other body and unpublicized but highly suspected due to the similarities in the two released bodies. also the now increasingly noticed sensor misalignment...on a pro body, nay their TOP, Flagship body! slack, really slack. I reckon there will be more reports of this nature in the near future as more users become wise...lets just say canon c*cked up and their quite slow reaction/acceptance to the cries and fact of hundreds of users complaining the same issues has somewhat reduced confidence in many. I notice there hasn't been an apology as such either, more a 'we're sure this will fix it this time...' release, after spending £2k or £5+ you'd at expect a professional level of response.
is there a link to Andy Rouse's comments on the 1dsIII?

p.s. pete - can't you get it rechecked by canon?
 
shiato storm said:
interesting...I suspect the 1dsIII's designation is somewhat different to the sports orientated 1dIII so its focusing 'fault' wasn't coming to the fore at the same pace the non-s was presenting. similarly the numbers of s users would, I guess, be somewhat smaller than the non-s. there has been some mention though that there was a delay to the release of the s due to a 'sneaky' sub-mirror fix as seen in the other body and unpublicized but highly suspected due to the similarities in the two released bodies. also the now increasingly noticed sensor misalignment...on a pro body, nay their TOP, Flagship body! slack, really slack. I reckon there will be more reports of this nature in the near future as more users become wise...lets just say canon c*cked up and their quite slow reaction/acceptance to the cries and fact of hundreds of users complaining the same issues has somewhat reduced confidence in many. I notice there hasn't been an apology as such either, more a 'we're sure this will fix it this time...' release, after spending £2k or £5+ you'd at expect a professional level of response.
is there a link to Andy Rouse's comments on the 1dsIII?

p.s. pete - can't you get it rechecked by canon?
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Nah, its gone. I am now shooting with Nikon, such was my upset with Canon - oh and I love Nikon colours and am saving for a D3 or 4 and cool people shoot with Nikon. :D
 
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awesome cheers :D

Diego Garcia said:
Nah, its gone. I am now shooting with Nikon, such was my upset with Canon - oh and I love Nikon colours and am saving for a D3 or 4 and cool people shoot with Nikon. :D
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smug git ;) hehe, well it sounds like you're happy with your choice tbh if it helps to get the shot then who can blame you? given the canon troubles...flippin' nightmare!
 
I think it's clear that the most relable Canon sport camera is currently the 1d2n, as the 1d3 seems to have too many problems - this will only push the price of the 1d2n up.
Canon will take a while to recover from this !"£$£$%$ up, and Nikon will get a larger market share, but nikon is not perfect - i was at a photo shoot on saturday (with the model JORDAN!!) and of the 8 photographers there submitting photos to the press 5 of us were using canon - 3 nikon. I was talking to a guy who had a pair of d200's (Jordan was 45min late) and although he loved the camera one of his bodies had been back to nikon 7 times with a focus problem...


I think the key here is to find a good copy, as both Canon and Nikon seem to have quality control issues
 
sportysnaps said:
I think it's clear that the most relable Canon sport camera is currently the 1d2n, as the 1d3 seems to have too many problems - this will only push the price of the 1d2n up.
Canon will take a while to recover from this !"£$£$%$ up, and Nikon will get a larger market share, but nikon is not perfect - i was at a photo shoot on saturday (with the model JORDAN!!) and of the 8 photographers there submitting photos to the press 5 of us were using canon - 3 nikon. I was talking to a guy who had a pair of d200's (Jordan was 45min late) and although he loved the camera one of his bodies had been back to nikon 7 times with a focus problem...


I think the key here is to find a good copy, as both Canon and Nikon seem to have quality control issues
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When you say photo shoot, do you mean the public book signings that has happened in most big shopping malls?
 
I used to own a 1D2, and I have owned a 1D2N for over 2 years now. The slightly bigger buffer, slightly bigger LCD and the ability to change how you write to both cards slots is very useful and worth the extra money.

As far as IQ goes, I found my N shots require far less USM during post processing than the Mark 2 did.

Incidentally, I am on my 3rd 1D Mark 3, this time a blue dot body with the latest firmware. So far I have very very pleased with the way it focusses and I am a heavy usage sports and motorsports photographer.

Canon haven't actually admitted there is a 2nd fix, AFAIK only the RG articule refers to a body swap/fix for high value Canon customers. Neither Canon UK or Canon USA know anything about it officially.
 
I might be selling my MK2N after this years Wedding season, it's in mint condition. Not a mark on it and only taken around 2000 shots. Might upgrade to the 1DSMK3 to go along side my 1DSMK2. So watch this space.
 
Thanks for the reply's. Interesting read on the MkIII saga, a professional photograph friend of my admits that there has been a problem with the MkIII, but more of the problems have been caused by the inexperinced user not really understanding how to setup the MkIII mentioning that the autofocus system does take time to get use to because it very fast.

Peter
 
Alistair said:
Incidentally, I am on my 3rd 1D Mark 3, this time a blue dot body with the latest firmware. So far I have very very pleased with the way it focusses and I am a heavy usage sports and motorsports photographer..
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How do you get a blue dot latest firware virsion ?

I love my 1dmkII but do a lot of night football (at non league poorly lit grounds) and then of course theres our loverly winter.. So was looking forward to a MKIII and relegating the MKII to short lens (hardly used) camera and putting the 10d on a shelf :)

The horror stories from the MKIII and even some pro togs calling them "door stops" has me too worried to pay out 2.5k so was thinking of another MKII

However your post has got me thinking again :) so whats the best way to get a blue dot?

It's a b****r innit..
 
pete.rush said:
Thanks for the reply's. Interesting read on the MkIII saga, a professional photograph friend of my admits that there has been a problem with the MkIII, but more of the problems have been caused by the inexperinced user not really understanding how to setup the MkIII mentioning that the autofocus system does take time to get use to because it very fast.

Peter
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Disagree. At first people were citing user error for the poor preformance across the globe. Hoever, Canon have admitted that the machine is faulty with a 'sub mirror fix' being rolled out, along with a firmware upgrade and a possible third fix. As such, you cant really blame user error, though at first I did. I was going into 2.4 shoots and coming away shaking my head in disbelief at the focusing issues. Money shots completely way out....even after using top spec L glass, stuff was not snapping into focus like it should have done or retaining focus.

Also, there is/was a slope in the viewfinder.

Whilst it has been said that some machines are amazing out of the box, to me that is not good enough. It needs to be ALL of them. Forget the fact you can tweak focus to suit lenses, because that in itself is a lens issue not the body.

Pete.
 
KIPAX said:
How do you get a blue dot latest firware virsion ?

I love my 1dmkII but do a lot of night football (at non league poorly lit grounds) and then of course theres our loverly winter.. So was looking forward to a MKIII and relegating the MKII to short lens (hardly used) camera and putting the 10d on a shelf :)

The horror stories from the MKIII and even some pro togs calling them "door stops" has me too worried to pay out 2.5k so was thinking of another MKII

However your post has got me thinking again :) so whats the best way to get a blue dot?

It's a b****r innit..
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Hi mate,

There is stock out there with a blue dots on the outside of the box, next to the bar code. If you do decide to purchase make sure you ask for blue dot stock as a friend of mine bought one from Calumet London, but they brought out a non blue dot, so he asked, they said they did not have any, he pulled the sale, then by chance, they happened to remember that they had some in the 'back' :eek::bonk:

That said, LCE had a supply of III's before Xmas and none were blue dot, but Canon advised that they were all fixers.
 
It seems too that sometimes a new barcode is being added - obscuring the dot, but you can still see it if you look carefully - so it pays to check.
 
I get the impression the MKIII is a bit like buying a sigma lens... great if you get a good one but more chance of a bad one... does that sound right ?

I dont think I knew about blue dot on the box.. I ahve heard blue dot and know what it is but i wasnt aware of how we know.. thanks for that :)
 
KIPAX said:
I get the impression the MKIII is a bit like buying a sigma lens... great if you get a good one but more chance of a bad one... does that sound right ?

I dont think I knew about blue dot on the box.. I ahve heard blue dot and know what it is but i wasnt aware of how we know.. thanks for that :)
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Yeah, maybe thats a good way of putting it. However, I would advise anyone thinking about buying a mark III to consider it long and hard as people like me, Mho and other seasoned users have all had SERIOUS issues with the camera.

It is also the white elephant of all cameras now, so think about resale value when the Mark 4 or 5's hit the streets. I had mine advertised on a couple of forums but no one went for it. In perspective, my N's sold within minutes....

This is not me being bitter, just common sense talking. As I have said before, everything about the Mark III is stunning. When it works.
 
pete.rush said:
I'm looking at upgrading from my 20D (unfortunately the 1D MkIII is out of my price range) and I have spotted 2 reconditioned 1D MkII (a MkII and a MkIIn)models for sale, I know that basically they are the same camera, the 1D MkIIn has a few extra's (Larger LCD.....etc) and you may have to do more post processing on the images from the 1D MkII, my question is......is it worth playing the extra ££ for the MkIIn version.

Any help would be appreciated

Peter
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Hi Peter..I am A semi proffesional photographer in Manchester. I have a IDMK11N .I have found it to be superb.Mod Edit - No Selling outside the Classifieds Forum.
 
Managed to get a newly new copy of a Canon 1D MkIIn last year, or I need to do now is upgrade my second body from a 20D too......and a new lens or two, but small thing called money is causing a set back, better start saving :D
 
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