Camera for weddings

ernesto said:
What caused the struggle when you needed the quick shot?

The 600D would me more than capable of getting a quick shot, I use an 1100D and have never found it lacking for quick shots (well not quick in terms of wedding ceremony quick - I take it they weren't all running around?)
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It was when I tried to quickly focus on one person...having a wheel may just make it smoother to take a pic. I know it is a minor detail, but may eventually cause a problem. Whatever caemera I use now, will be my only camera for at least a while.
 
Richard King said:
A good camera will give you confidence (that's good0, but will also slow your learning process down (that's bad)

My advice is. Save your money, forget about new kit, learn how to extract every drop of goodness out of the camera you have. when you can consistently (19 shots in 20) get a great shot.. and consistently instantly know why shot 20 failed, you are ready to upgrade

Photography is about mastering light, exposure and composition. Film shooters did not need auto ISO (that's an example). And 10 years ago, the best DSLR you could have for a wedding had lousy ISO performance, and a poor dynamic range by today's standards. However, wedding photographers produced stunning results.
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All very true, thanks for the advice
 
So are you still sure you want to do weddings bearing in mind you are competing with well known and establish wedding photographers after the same business in your area????

All that after you have mastered the art of photography and editing in the first place.
Remember as well you can be sued for not providing a very high standard of workmanship.

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Wow what a reply.

I have been researching wedding photography for about a year now and photography is a passion of mine, that I have only just got into. I can assure you that my intention is to not go into wedding photography on my own, as I do not have the skill or money to pursue this.

I have been lucky to have been given a shadow opportunity with an established wedding photographer. However, I was given a small opportunity to take a few shots at the registry and restaurant. My long term (5 year plan) aim is to be a assistant / back up wedding photographer...
 
rjbell said:
You have not explained what you loved so much about the d7000, is it the focus points and wheel? To give you constructive advice, we need this information. If it's the iso performance for example then yes, maybe its worth you buying the d7000. If it was the more frames per second and af points the d7000 has maybe consider the 7d as it has more again, you see what i'm getting at.
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It was the multi exposure points, focus wheel and also the dual card capability. All of these points made it better to use in my opinion. However, I can't afford to spend too much, so the 7D might be out of my price range. If I did change I could maybe afford canon 60D or the Nikon D7000...
 
~*~ElmoHolz~*~ said:
Not being funny or anything but he only asked for peoples opinion on the camera, not his choice on whether or not to photograph weddings. He said himself that eventually he wants to be a second shooter...there's nothing wrong with a bit of ambition and to aspire to be a wedding photographer.
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Hey thanks, I think some of the established photographers, may have misread my intention behind my questions. I definitely do not want to shoot on my own, just would be a massive achievement to be an assistant. Loving my first year into photography and learning all of the time!
 
Follow_journey said:
So are you still sure you want to do weddings bearing in mind you are competing with well known and establish wedding photographers after the same business in your area????

All that after you have mastered the art of photography and editing in the first place.
Remember as well you can be sued for not providing a very high standard of workmanship.

Realspeed
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Follow_journey said:
Wow what a reply.

I have been researching wedding photography for about a year now and photography is a passion of mine, that I have only just got into. I can assure you that my intention is to not go into wedding photography on my own, as I do not have the skill or money to pursue this.

I have been lucky to have been given a shadow opportunity with an established wedding photographer. However, I was given a small opportunity to take a few shots at the registry and restaurant. My long term (5 year plan) aim is to be a assistant / back up wedding photographer...
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Now normally were suggesting that people are trying to run before they can walk, but I'd say that 5 years is really a bit under ambitious. Try to get lots of practice and some more opportunities with your friend and you'll be itching to get started before then.

As far as focus point selection goes, you'll find that many photographers use focus recompose most of the time. And 9 points really are enough. IMO most modern multi focus point cameras are a massive compromise anyway, because they don't cover enough of the image frame. Like I said before though 2 40d's is a better option than 1 newer camera.
 
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Follow_journey said:
Hey thanks, I think some of the established photographers, may have misread my intention behind my questions. I definitely do not want to shoot on my own, just would be a massive achievement to be an assistant. Loving my first year into photography and learning all of the time!
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It wasn't the wedding photographers that made that comment, there was no lack of support from us.:)
 
Follow_journey said:
It was when I tried to quickly focus on one person...having a wheel may just make it smoother to take a pic. I know it is a minor detail, but may eventually cause a problem. Whatever caemera I use now, will be my only camera for at least a while.
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Could you not use centre point focus on the person and then recompose?
 
I have a 600D and I find it really quick to change settings, are you using back button focusing? It is really easy to focus and recompose that way. When I bought the camera, just before the 650D come out, I thought that maybe I should have gone for a higher model. After using the camera, apart from realizing that I didn't have a clue, I found out that the limiting factor was the lens not the body of the camera.
 
Follow_journey said:
Hey thanks, I think some of the established photographers, may have misread my intention behind my questions. I definitely do not want to shoot on my own, just would be a massive achievement to be an assistant. Loving my first year into photography and learning all of the time!
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Know what you mean! I've had friends asked me to do their weddings and said no, got some assistant work planned soon though so will be good to shadow/learn from someone who knows exactly what they're doing :)

Good luck and yep photography is a constant learning curve! :thumbs:
 
freyuk said:
I have a 600D and I find it really quick to change settings, are you using back button focusing? It is really easy to focus and recompose that way. When I bought the camera, just before the 650D come out, I thought that maybe I should have gone for a higher model. After using the camera, apart from realizing that I didn't have a clue, I found out that the limiting factor was the lens not the body of the camera.
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Can you tell me what back button focusing is?
 
~*~ElmoHolz~*~ said:
Know what you mean! I've had friends asked me to do their weddings and said no, got some assistant work planned soon though so will be good to shadow/learn from someone who knows exactly what they're doing :)

Good luck and yep photography is a constant learning curve! :thumbs:
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Looks like we're in the same learning process. My first shadow role was brilliant, learnt so much in such a short period of time. This is where the practical training has helped me to realise what I need most from my camera.
 
Hi,

Sorry to be Thick but what do you mean by Focus wheel.

Regards.
 
POAH said:
the number of focus points ain't going to make any difference - I'd be more concered with the poor high ISO ability of the current canon APS-c cameras.
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I'm interested in that comment. I have a 450D which starts t get a bit ropey at ISO 800 and above. I saw a work collegue's shots from the Olympic stadium in the evening recently, taken with a 600D at 3200 ISO and the clarity of that was, from what I could tell, on a par with, say 400 ISO on my 450D.

Are you saying the 600D ISO capability is no good, because it looked OK from what I saw, and I would imagine the 650D is better still. Isn't that supposed to have a better sensor than the 60D, or am I mistaken?
 
Follow_journey said:
Can you tell me what back button focusing is?
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In the menu option you can assign the button to the right of the viewfinder (the asterisk one) as the focus button, thus removing the focussing from the shutter button.

Since I discovered it a couple of years ago, I now use that exclusively and only ever use the centre focus point for focussing.

The only issue with this is if you give someone your camera to take a shot of you! I try to switch it back before doing this as it gets a bit complicated to explain to someone who usually just points and shoots!
 
Follow_journey said:
Can you tell me what back button focusing is?
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The custom functions on your camera allow you to assign one of the rear buttons to activate focus (usually *).
Some people get no advantage from it, but for me it's like going back to a manual focus camera, because it separates the focussing from the picture taking. Using techniques like focus-recompose or even follow focus, it's much more natural to control the focussing with the thumb and shooting when you want to. It stops the camera refocussing when you don't want it to.
 
Follow_journey said:
Hey, on my canon 600D, the direction pad (not sure if correct term) is very fidgety to use. You have to push a button to get the red dot on and then use the direction pad. The Nikon d7000 was easier to focus on moving targets with its pad and had more focus points. The canon had 9 and thenikon had at least 31 focal points. Hope that helps...
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The question was why are you saying youre wanting to be a second shooter one day, but you've been doing weddings? You need to be very clear and get your story straight or everyone will think you're either trolling or a previously banned member
 
matty said:
The question was why are you saying youre wanting to be a second shooter one day, but you've been doing weddings? You need to be very clear and get your story straight or everyone will think you're either trolling or a previously banned member
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I feel you have your detective-hat on. ;)
 
matty said:
The question was why are you saying youre wanting to be a second shooter one day, but you've been doing weddings? You need to be very clear and get your story straight or everyone will think you're either trolling or a previously banned member
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Second shooter at weddings - that is my long term aim.

Currently doing shadow work with a professional wedding photographer, but was given an opportunity to take a few shots here and there with his D7000. Just to make it clear, I have never shot a wedding on my own and very unlikely to do so for a long time (down to money and skill at this stage).
 
matty said:
The question was why are you saying youre wanting to be a second shooter one day, but you've been doing weddings? You need to be very clear and get your story straight or everyone will think you're either trolling or a previously banned member
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Not even sure what trolling is?

Why would somebody who has been banned, want to come back under a different name - some strange people out there!!!
 
Goody13 said:
I'm interested in that comment. I have a 450D which starts t get a bit ropey at ISO 800 and above. I saw a work collegue's shots from the Olympic stadium in the evening recently, taken with a 600D at 3200 ISO and the clarity of that was, from what I could tell, on a par with, say 400 ISO on my 450D.

Are you saying the 600D ISO capability is no good, because it looked OK from what I saw, and I would imagine the 650D is better still. Isn't that supposed to have a better sensor than the 60D, or am I mistaken?
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Lots of noise reduction = less noise, it doesn't = better image.

Canons current crop sensors are not as good as the current Sony or Pentax offerings.

That's not to say can't use the 650 to shoot a wedding
 
POAH said:
Lots of noise reduction = less noise, it doesn't = better image.

Canons current crop sensors are not as good as the current Sony or Pentax offerings.

That's not to say can't use the 650 to shoot a wedding
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There wasn't any PP noise reduction as far as I am aware, as the pictures were straight out of the camera. Or are you referring to internal noise reduction within the camera. I am interested in this, as I am thinking of a 650D within the next 12 months, especially based on what I saw the 600D could do.
 
Goody13 said:
There wasn't any PP noise reduction as far as I am aware, as the pictures were straight out of the camera. Or are you referring to internal noise reduction within the camera. I am interested in this, as I am thinking of a 650D within the next 12 months, especially based on what I saw the 600D could do.
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I would recommend the Nikon D7000, rather than the Canon 650D...are you still considering it?
 
we work as a 2 man team and 6 or so weddings back the night before had probs with a main camera, still had a main camera and 2 back ups but as a safety net borrowed nephews 600d and 2nd shooter ended up using it all day and the wedding the week after, it produced great photos, opened our eyes to the current crop of consumer end bodies for sure.
 
strumstrum said:
we work as a 2 man team and 6 or so weddings back the night before had probs with a main camera, still had a main camera and 2 back ups but as a safety net borrowed nephews 600d and 2nd shooter ended up using it all day and the wedding the week after, it produced great photos, opened our eyes to the current crop of consumer end bodies for sure.
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It is a good camera, but the Nikon D7000 has a better feel to it. This may be down to the magnesium body I guess. The pro I help out at weddings shoots with a Nikon, so that helped me to make my final decision.

I'm glad it worked out good for you.
 
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Well, my Wedding was shot with a 20D and 10D back in 2005, and both the tog and his helper did fantastic jobs. As said above, it is not the quality of the camera being held by the tog, but the quality of the tog holding the camera which really counts. A 600D is much superior to the cameras used to take my mug shots.

I also doubt whether having dozons of focus points and fancy tracking options will help much when people are happy to pose for you.
 
Orville said:
Well, my Wedding was shot with a 20D and 10D back in 2005, and both the tog and his helper did fantastic jobs. As said above, it is not the quality of the camera being held by the tog, but the quality of the tog holding the camera which really counts. A 600D is much superior to the cameras used to take my mug shots.

I also doubt whether having dozons of focus points and fancy tracking options will help much when people are happy to pose for you.
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That is a valid point, but overall I think the camera suited me. Plus the tog I assist works with a Nikon. I can use his kit during the wedding on my camera as well.
 
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