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Hey all.

I need some advice.

Just sold my Sony a77ii and lenses to concentrate on street/edc.

Choices are.

Fuji x100f
Sony rx1r
Ricoh gr3
Fuji xt3 with 23mm f2.
Fuji x70
Fuji xf10.

Which and why?

Thanks.
 
I don't know enough about Sony to comment on that model, so I'll ignore that one.

Ricoh GR3/Fuji X70, as much as I like the compact size, I like to have a view finder, so would rule these out.
Fuji XF-10, the sensor is too small.

So that leaves it between the X-T3/23f2 and X100F, I have sort of had both of these combinations, but with the bodies the other way around X-T2 and 23f2 and X100V. The main benefit of the X100 series is the size - this was the sole reason I got the X100V. On paper the X100 should be the same as the X-Tx with 23f2, however when you compare the size, either in real life or on camerasize.com, you will see how well the X100 is packaged. For EDC this is/was a very big plus. For balance, the X-T3 generation of camera is easier to use the the X100F generation, you probably won't notice it in the image quality, but it is things like compatibility with the new Fuji app and faster autofocus that you really notice.
 
Sony A7C + a pancake lens.

It's small, very versatile, great focussing, can be used for other formas of photography with minimal compromise.
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Ricoh GR iii or GR iiix (28mm or 40mm fixed).
Can be the camera that is with you all the time as it fits into a pocket (shirt or trouser).
jpeg recipes available in camera and/or via Ritchie's Recipes.
Superb sharpness in the aps-c sensor.
Additional crop settings available.
Snap-focus option with variable focus distance.
Discreet to use.
The only negative is if you can't cope without a viewfinder - personally I find it liberating. :)
 
I’m narrowing it down. Any more input chaps?
 
RX100 in one of its later forms (longer zoom)?
 
Others may disagree but I think anyone looking at the X100 range and having focus performance as anything like a priority should watch a few reviews and if possible try one. Manny Ortiz is a bit of a fan of these cameras and AFAIK he has commented on focus performance so his vids could be worth a look if you have time.

Street is not and never will be my thing but generally I think APS-C is sort of stuck in a no mans land at the moment. For street I assume you'll be sticking to wide to normalish focal lengths somewhere between 24 and 85mm? If that is the case I'd see APS-C as being stuck a bit between MFT and FF with APS-C not offering the bulk and weight savings you perhaps could get from MFT depending on the body and lenses you look at and not necessarily offering any significant bulk or weight advantages over FF again depending on what bodies and lenses you're looking at.
 
woof woof said:
Others may disagree but I think anyone looking at the X100 range and having focus performance as anything like a priority should watch a few reviews and if possible try one. Manny Ortiz is a bit of a fan of these cameras and AFAIK he has commented on focus performance so his vids could be worth a look if you have time.

Street is not and never will be my thing but generally I think APS-C is sort of stuck in a no mans land at the moment. For street I assume you'll be sticking to wide to normalish focal lengths somewhere between 24 and 85mm? If that is the case I'd see APS-C as being stuck a bit between MFT and FF with APS-C not offering the bulk and weight savings you perhaps could get from MFT depending on the body and lenses you look at and not necessarily offering any significant bulk or weight advantages over FF again depending on what bodies and lenses you're looking at.
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Have you ever held or tried a Ricoh GR?
 
gramps said:
Have you ever held or tried a Ricoh GR?
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I haven't.

I had a Panasonic GF1 and decided that I'd never buy another camera without a VF for two reasons, visibility in good light and I don't like taking pictures with a camera 2ft from my face. Others may be ok with back screen shooting but it's just not for me apart from the odd low down shot.
 
woof woof said:
I haven't.

I had a Panasonic GF1 and decided that I'd never buy another camera without a VF for two reasons, visibility in good light and I don't like taking pictures with a camera 2ft from my face. Others may be ok with back screen shooting but it's just not for me apart from the odd low down shot.
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Having "homes" in two countries where the sun shines, I would never buy a camera without a viewfinder. Not particularly fussy about the quality or resolution of the viewfinder, but without it I can't use it. Sometimes I try to take photos with a phone, and if the sun is shining, I find it useless.
 
Fuji x70 seems to be the same size as the x100 so might as well take it off the list.
Especially since Ricoh is on the list, which i consider a better camera.
Fuji xf10 has a smaller sensor so maybe take it off the list too.

I would only consider the x100 or the Ricoh gr.
The x100 has the advantage of an optical finder, personally i prefer optical vs electronic viewfinder for composing. I had the x100s and i loved the size and the viewfinder.
And on the other hand the Ricoh gr, an amazing little camera. The biggest advantage is the size and how inconspicuous it is. Looking through the screen to compose makes it less intimidating and also harder to Be noticed.
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You should probably try to figure out what way you prefer to take pictures.
There’s street photographers using all sorts of cameras, from slr to even large format as you may already know. I personally prefer small compact for street, it draws less attention.
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You have to also consider how fast the cameras af is or if the camera offers zone focusing. Because if the af is crap at least you can depend on zone focusing for speed
 
Personally, I use the X100f. I think the X100 series and the Ricoh GR range seem to be the most popular and common.

As mentioned, you need to think about focal length, viewfinder, etc too.

I use zone/manual focus for street, auto iso with minimum shutter speed. Nice and simple.
 
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Fuji x70 seems to be the same size as the x100 so might as well take it off the list.
Especially since Ricoh is on the list, which i consider a better camera.
Fuji xf10 has a smaller sensor so maybe take it off the list too.

I would only consider the x100 or the Ricoh gr.
The x100 has the advantage of an optical finder, personally i prefer optical vs electronic viewfinder for composing. I had the x100s and i loved the size and the viewfinder.
And on the other hand the Ricoh gr, an amazing little camera. The biggest advantage is the size and how inconspicuous it is. Looking through the screen to compose makes it less intimidating and also harder to Be noticed.
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You should probably try to figure out what way you prefer to take pictures.
There’s street photographers using all sorts of cameras, from slr to even large format as you may already know. I personally prefer small compact for street, it draws less attention.
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You have to also consider how fast the cameras af is or if the camera offers zone focusing. Because if the af is crap at least you can depend on zone focusing for speed
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Not saying you should get one but the Fuji xf10 is a asp-c sensor the same size as a Ricoh etc.
 
yamahatdm900 said:
Not saying you should get one but the Fuji xf10 is a asp-c sensor the same size as a Ricoh etc.
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Uuups, confused it with the x10. Thx for the correction
 
I had to look up "EDC" and think it means "every day carry".

If I'm correct, then I think Panasonic's TZ range are worth a look, being very compact, fast enough for general use and the lenses cover the 24mm - 720mm range. The later ones also have tilting screens, which I find very useful.
 
Sony RX100vii. It's got everything you need with excellent quality pic's.
 
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just back from a holiday in Portugal and used a Panasonic G9 camera with a 12-60 Leica elmarit lens. what A joy to use even one handed.
example taken in a moving coach of a street scene.

totally unedited in Jpeg one handed on a brick road through coach window with hand outstretched
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the camera has image stablisation and the lens does as well giving double what one would normally get


I also have a panasonic dc-tz95. the rear screen only opens upwards and not a flip screen or turns the sceen inwards to protect the glass, and no built in stablisation
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Also have a Panasonic Hc-x1500 camcorder now i am turning away from my nikon full frame cameras due to weight
 
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GR3 for me.

Snap focus was the killer feature for me. The 28mm has decent depth of field at f/8, better at f/11, high ISO performance allows you to shoot at 1/250, f/8 or f/11 and have a usable ISO. Snap focus to 1.5m and almost everything is in focus. It really becomes a case of just push a button to take the photo which means you can concentrate on composition to the exclusion of everything else. This is what makes it the best camera for street photography IMO.

Not everyone can make 28mm work, so the GR3x might be better, but you lose the flexibility with DoF and need to be a bit more careful with distances.

The only downside to the GR3 is battery life, but the batteries are tiny and easily fit in a pocket. No viewfinder was a concern for me, but I've found it not to be a problem.

That's my tuppence! Good luck in your search.
 
Don’t have one and never tried one, but for an everyday carry camera then it’s hard to see past a GR3. It can live in your pockets without having to carry a camera bag or you could carry it in your hand. Battery life might be an issue though
 
I have a Ricoh gr3x, and it's an amazing little toy, but I'd be so much happier if it had a tilt up screen.

Street is a odd habit, shooting anything from a candid close ups (some people ask first, I don't) to a lone tiny silhouette of a man in the distance, and therefore so much easier with a lens that zooms a bit. Primes are better than zooms, but only fractionally.

Regarding sensor size, you should consider what you intend doing with the results. I've found M43s or even a 1 inch sensors ideal for viewing on a computer monitor.

And how do you think you will hold the camera? one handed mostly, or two mostly. Even some 1 inch sensor jobs are not really one handed cameras, the Ricoh is ....
 
I kinda like to “run and gun” when I’m doing street. Sometimes I wait for the shot. EDC I need decent AF.

I prefer 35mm focal length.

I’m thinking xt3 plus 23mm f2 or gr3 or gr3x.
 
The EDC roll is now filled for most people by their smart phone. As it is now an essential part of most people's lives. They are almost an addiction.

While such phones play their part in many people's street photography, they have their limitations.
Street photography now falls into two camps, one that covers videos and Vlogs and the other strictly stills.
This has impacted manufacturers in their camera offerings.
I have no interest in Video so for me a modest sized aps camera like the XT30 or the new XT50 suit me very well.
 
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Thanks for all of your input. I’m still uncertain. lol.
 
I may have been able to help but I’ve no idea what EDC is.
 
If size is important, then consider the Fuji X-T30/X-T30II as well. Basically an X-T3 in a smaller package. Sensor is the same; I think all you lose from the X-T3 is weather sealing and a couple of film simulations.
 
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Every day carry ….although it took a while for me to get it!! Old fogies unite
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Does anyone read these threads through? I offered that as the meaning in post 16.

(Goes off muttering and shaking head)
 
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