Calling all Sony Alpha users! (Part 3)

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I just noticed he's selling one.

I wanted it so I could use for family times or just when I'm out and about. A kind of jack of many trades.

I've got a Sony 75-300mm and Tamron 90mm
 
DC2Z said:
I just noticed he's selling one.

I wanted it so I could use for family times or just when I'm out and about. A kind of jack of many trades.

I've got a Sony 75-300mm and Tamron 90mm
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it sounds like a good walk about lens,and so long as you don't need anything wider..make him a sensible offer he can't refuse ;)
 
puddleduck said:
Its very good.

Its definitely sharper in the center than the CZ when open at 17mm compared to the CZ 16mm. This is wide open (f/2.8 vs f/2.8)

At 28mm, the CZ starts to win in the corners. The Tamron 28-75 is quite close to the CZ!

At 35mm (f/2.8 on the Zeiss) vs f/4 on the KM, the Zeiss is a bit ahead on center sharpness, which is good as there is 1 stop difference.

The CZ is a much "cooler" lens, the KM warmer. Bokeh on the CZ on distant objects is'nt as good as the KM. Much "hasher".

The Zeiss is probably the better lens, but like the Nikon 17-35 vs the Tamron 17-35 these Tammy / KM lenses are very very capable.
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I must admit, due to family commitments I've not really used the CZ1635 much so far.

Just from snaps around the house, the 1635 seems way ahead of my old KM1735 in terms of sharpenss. I've only really tested the CZ at close distances towards the centre of the frame, and generally wide open, but so far it seems good, very good in fact.
The border resulution on my KM1735 was pretty poor and it suffered from terrible CAs. Contrast was also lacking, but the colour was good.
Mind you, I think it was a great lens for the money and did a fantastic job.

But as a quick test shot (as you can see!), in camera jpeg, with the CZ1635 @ 16mm/f2.8:

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I don't think my old KM1735 would be that sharp, and I definetly know my (now sold) Tam 28-75 wasn't as good as the above even at f4 (although it would be close at f4). Although both good when you consider you have 24MP.


A friend that I sold the KM1735 is up for the weekend (finally getting out with the camera without the children!), and he wants to test the CZ1635 to compare it to the KM, so will hopefully have some images to post with both of the lenses after the weekend.
 
I think I must have a magic KM 17-35 I think, as mine is excellent wide open (not in the far corners) - the CZ is definately better in the far corners though.

I'm going to see how the CZ 16-35 f/2.8 compares to my Nikon 17-35 f/2.8, so might do a quick D700 / 17-35 + A900 / 16-35 shoot-out over the weekend and throw in the KM for good measure.
 
puddleduck said:
I think I must have a magic KM 17-35 I think, as mine is excellent wide open (not in the far corners) - the CZ is definately better in the far corners though.

I'm going to see how the CZ 16-35 f/2.8 compares to my Nikon 17-35 f/2.8, so might do a quick D700 / 17-35 + A900 / 16-35 shoot-out over the weekend and throw in the KM for good measure.
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That would be interesting, and I'll try and do similar.

Just trying to look back at a few images that I already have online....

... And here's a that I (quickly) took with the KM 17-35:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/3204055946_5d79274750_o.jpg

I seem to remember this was shot at f5.6-f8 - but would be interested to know how this compares to your sample.

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and then compared to a very very quick test shot (jpeg in camera) with the CZ (16mm at f5.6):
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2671/4152952988_959a394b4b_o.jpg


I know the lighting and details are very different, so hard to compare the two images.
 
Sorry Andy, I remembered I'd bought a second battery for my grip ages ago when I was packing my A200 back in it's box for posting......
 
chrism_scotland said:
My new A700 just arrived, along with 16-105 lens., Woo!
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Welcome back........oh wait a minute.......I'm not in the gang anymore!:shake:

I've bought a 40D, so I guess I'll have to hand in my Alpha membership card......

It's been nice knowing you all!! :wave:
 
Hi Guys,

maybe a bit of a daft question, but anyone know why a Sony TC won't fit on a beercan? :thinking:
 
skydiver said:
Hi Guys,

maybe a bit of a daft question, but anyone know why a Sony TC won't fit on a beercan? :thinking:
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No idea. The Kenko 1.4 Pro 300 DG definitely does....

When you say won't fit - have you tried it, and will it not physically allow the lens to be mounted?
 
Slimbert said:
I've bought a 40D, so I guess I'll have to hand in my Alpha membership card......
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be interested to know your feelings after you've used it for a while - I've always reckoned that they were closely matched but the A700 was that wee bit better.

I think that Chris will like the 16-105mm as a general walkabout.
 
heidfirst said:
be interested to know your feelings after you've used it for a while - I've always reckoned that they were closely matched but the A700 was that wee bit better.
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I looked so hard for an A700 that I could afford, but I got the 40D and Canon grip and loads of extra bits and pieces for £400, the seller reckons it's mint and the shutter count is roughly 1000 :eek: (I'll be checking that when it arrives!!). Too good an offer to turn down......

On a side note, payment hasn't arrived yet but I'll keep checking......:thumbs:
 
puddleduck said:
No idea. The Kenko 1.4 Pro 300 DG definitely does....

When you say won't fit - have you tried it, and will it not physically allow the lens to be mounted?
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Hi Andy,

yep, just doesn't seem to physically fit but very very close :thinking:

Got a CP 1.4 and that fits no problem, also tried a Minolta 300 on the Sony TC and that fits no problem...shouldn't think there would be a difference in the A-mount?...strange.
 
skydiver said:
Hi Guys,

maybe a bit of a daft question, but anyone know why a Sony TC won't fit on a beercan? :thinking:
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It's a dedicated teleconverter that only fits certain lenses. The Sony web page says it is compatible with 70-200mm F2.8G (SAL-70200G), 300mm F2.8 (SAL-300F28G) and with 135mm F2.8 [T4.5] STF (SAL135F28).
 
Slimbert said:
but I got the 40D and Canon grip and loads of extra bits and pieces for £400, the seller reckons it's mint and the shutter count is roughly 1000 :eek: (I'll be checking that when it arrives!!). Too good an offer to turn down......:
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does sound like a bargain.
you can always resell it when the A700 replacement comes out ... :p
 
Beer_Stalker said:
It's a dedicated teleconverter that only fits certain lenses. The Sony web page says it is compatible with 70-200mm F2.8G (SAL-70200G), 300mm F2.8 (SAL-300F28G) and with 135mm F2.8 [T4.5] STF (SAL135F28).
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stan the man said:
also compatible with the 70-400 G SSM,but will only manual focus..:thumbs:
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Cheers Guys,

must be a bit like the Siggy, that only fits certain lenses..oh well, worth a try, have to stick with the CP then :|
 
I got myself a A700 and it arrived today - not sure whether to keep this or the A200.

For low ISO work, the A200 is nicer - proper base ISO of 100 and cleaner skies (the A700 has the D300's icky low ISO oddness), although I do like the A700 body - very close to the A900.

Probably will end up moving on the A700 and sticking to the A200 though as I love the A200 sensor (same as the Nikon D60 and Nikon D200).
 
puddleduck said:
I got myself a A700 and it arrived today - not sure whether to keep this or the A200.

For low ISO work, the A200 is nicer - proper base ISO of 100 and cleaner skies (the A700 has the D300's icky low ISO oddness), although I do like the A700 body - very close to the A900.

Probably will end up moving on the A700 and sticking to the A200 though as I love the A200 sensor (same as the Nikon D60 and Nikon D200).
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i can give the a700 a good home :D
 
Slimbert said:
Now you tell me!! Is this revenge for me selling the charger to Heidfirst??!!:D
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LOL! One thing about the A700 - its remarkably similar to the Nikon D300, in IQ. Those two cameras could have been separated at birth. Its quite uncanny. Clearly the same sensor.
 
springtide said:
That would be interesting, and I'll try and do similar.
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I've just gone and done this - A900 with 16-36 and 17-35 in the same bag.

Firstly - no way is the CZ 16-35 an f/2.8 lens. It more like f/3.2

No surprise - Canon's 16-35 has an 82mm filter, and the KM while covering the same range also has a 77mm filter, but is f/2.8 - f/4. So Zeiss are cheating and I have shots to prove it ;)

The KM / Tamron is a brighter lens.

Will put up some croppage later.
 
puddleduck said:
Firstly - no way is the CZ 16-35 an f/2.8 lens. It more like f/3.2

No surprise - Canon's 16-35 has an 82mm filter, and the KM while covering the same range also has a 77mm filter, but is f/2.8 - f/4. So Zeiss are cheating and I have shots to prove it ;)
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not my understanding of how it works - f no. = focal length/ entrance pupil diameter
e.g. Nikon 17-35mm f/2.8D ED-IF AF-S also has a 77mm filter thread. The original Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM also has a 77mm thread.
 
Slimbert said:
What is it with everyone selling their a700's once I've got my 40D?????????

You can all :razz: !!!!!
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It's a conspiracy!

I just really like my A200 and am short on money so it's the logical thing to do :p I still don't know if it's really a good idea, but whatever! I really need to upgrade my PC. And this also means I can get some better glass for my A200.
 
George7 said:
It's a conspiracy!

I just really like my A200 and am short on money so it's the logical thing to do :p I still don't know if it's really a good idea, but whatever! I really need to upgrade my PC. And this also means I can get some better glass for my A200.
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Until you are totally convinced that you've out grown your a200, stick with it, it's a great camera!!
 
stan the man said:
it would seem everyone is fussy to whom they sell their A700's too...:exit:
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Yeah well, as I said....:razz:

stan the man said:
how ya getting on with your 40D anyway...
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Still haven't got a lens yet :shake: tappilappi has just been round with a lens to test it with so at least I know it works......

.....want a lens to keep though so I can get snapping!!
 
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