Bye, bye Honda?

cymruchris said:
Add to that the tariffs that might be added to new car prices :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47270616

It'll all be worth it, right? Breaking free and all that. Fresh start and all that. No more bureaucracy and all that. The only way is up!!!! (Unemployment up, tariffs up, supermarket prices up) Can't wait...
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Oh dear God preserve us from this daily avalanche of Remoaner BS, half truths, lies and doom mongering.

I'm heartily sick of reading "There might be" from project fear merchants. If we left the EC couldn't we decide not to impose tariffs? Couldn't that be an option? Couldn't we have the option of having less red tape and tariffs if that's what we wanted?

For example, I watched a piece on the news the other day about CE approval. I used to do that for a living so please believe me when I say that that piece was a total pile of steaming BS from beginning to end.

Yes, there could be war in the EC. We could run out of sandwiches. The ice caps could melt. We could find ourselves in another ice age. We could all wake up with flesh eating viruses. We could have no medication. And all because of Brexit. But equally we could find ourselves in a better place.

Will the BS never ever end?
 
woof woof said:
Oh dear God preserve us from this daily avalanche of Remoaner BS, half truths, lies and doom mongering.

I'm heartily sick of reading "There might be" from project fear merchants. If we left the EC couldn't we decide not to impose tariffs? Couldn't that be an option? Couldn't we have the option of having less red tape and tariffs if that's what we wanted?

For example, I watched a piece on the news the other day about CE approval. I used to do that for a living so please believe me when I say that that piece was a total pile of steaming BS from beginning to end.

Yes, there could be war in the EC. We could run out of sandwiches. The ice caps could melt. We could find ourselves in another ice age. We could all wake up with flesh eating viruses. We could have no medication. And all because of Brexit. But equally we could find ourselves in a better place.

Will the BS never ever end?
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We could agree to not impose import tariffs.

But we have no control over export tariffs.

So if you have a shop in the UK that sells 90% of its stock to the EU, and there's a 10% export tariff, we have no control over that.
 
The only reason Honda opened the plant in 1985 was to have a foot in the European market without the protectionist tariffs.
With the recent EU-Japan trade agreement this is less relevant.
It is hard to make a case that closing this single small plant - the only Honda production facility in Europe - has much if any link to Brexit.
The cars made there have never been popular in the EU. Honda vehicles entering the EU will now will likely be made in other far east countries such as Thailand
 
nilagin said:
The increase was only been by a relatively small amount. The sales are still a lot less than they were 10-11yrs prior to that.
http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/honda/honda-civic/
For a factory capable of producing over 100k cars a year, 43k just isn't cost effective. If they have similar under capacity in Japanese factories, it makes sense to move production to Japan.
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Capacity at the factory is 250K cars, they make 130K cars - just half capacity
They were supposed to be gearing up for the next model this month, new tooling etc, more into hybrid and electric cars, but that's now not happening.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
90% of what is produced at the Swindon plant goes to the EU, there's about to be a tariff on that 90%. I'd be amazed if that wasn't the driving factor being that they can now move it back to Japan and not have any tariffs. It was only here to give them a tariff-free entry into the EU market. If they moved to China they'd still be on the wrong side of the tariffs.
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They make around 130K cars a year, the factory has capacity for 250K. Over 80k go to the US and 15k to Japan and about 25k into the EU,
 
Byker28i said:
They make around 130K cars a year, the factory has capacity for 250K. Over 80k go to the US and 15k to Japan and about 25k into the EU,
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Yeah I think the news reports misquoted the figures yesterday "90% to the EU & US" is in the reports today. Whereas I read yesterday it was "90% to the EU"
 
Let me guess the price of old used bangers is set to rise bar some "unexpected" political change. Is anyone working on EURO 6 diesel retrofits by any chance? I'd expect there would be a lot of money to made there.
 
nilagin said:
It would be nice if Honda provided some sort of assistance to the employees
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I would hope so but a gut feeling tells me they probably won't. But you never know.

Interestingly, I came across a review by a current employee there who said on 06/02/19 that he believed he factory would close down due to losing the contract for the Civic.
 
nilagin said:
....most transferred to the engine plant down the road, whilst around 200 of us got jobs at Dunton and our early retirement side of the package went to employees at these sites to make room for us. Ford also offered relocation assistance for those wishing to move further afield and one of my colleagues took that up and moved to the engine plant in Bridgend......
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Speaking of Ford engines, what's your thoughts on the 3 litre AJD-V6?
 
Byker28i said:
They make around 130K cars a year, the factory has capacity for 250K. Over 80k go to the US and 15k to Japan and about 25k into the EU,
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Well you may as well kiss goodbye to the 80k going to the US after Trump upped the import duty on cars. That's why Ford have withdrawn the sale of small saloons in the US.
 
gman said:
Speaking of Ford engines, what's your thoughts on the 3 litre AJD-V6?
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Don't really know much about them other than they are a huge great lump of an engine. I have read something about crankshaft failures but don't know if that is down to specific build dates.
 
nilagin said:
Don't really know much about them other than they are a huge great lump of an engine. I have read something about crankshaft failures but don't know if that is down to specific build dates.
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I think it was pre 2012 ones, I remember reading something about how extended warranties wouldn't cover this failure.
 
gman said:
Speaking of Ford engines, what's your thoughts on the 3 litre AJD-V6?
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You certainly don't want to find out the cost of replacement. You really need to find out if the bearings have changed at all from earlier design, which was fatally flawed. Having said that frequent oil changes and healthy oil pump should keep the disaster away.
 
4wd said:
The only reason Honda opened the plant in 1985 was to have a foot in the European market without the protectionist tariffs.
With the recent EU-Japan trade agreement this is less relevant.
It is hard to make a case that closing this single small plant - the only Honda production facility in Europe - has much if any link to Brexit.
The cars made there have never been popular in the EU. Honda vehicles entering the EU will now will likely be made in other far east countries such as Thailand
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Im not sure its the only reason. I seem to remember we gave them a massive amount of money to help the decision.
 
[QUOTE="gman, Does anyone know if the Government will be providing any support?[/QUOTE]

probably the same amount of support they provided for the thousands of steel workers who have lost their jobs over the last few years
 
LongLensPhotography said:
You certainly don't want to find out the cost of replacement. You really need to find out if the bearings have changed at all from earlier design, which was fatally flawed. Having said that frequent oil changes and healthy oil pump should keep the disaster away.
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I think that was the 2.7 version which was considered pretty notorious for failures. Anyway, I shouldn't be taking this off topic.
 
chris954 said:
[QUOTE="gman, Does anyone know if the Government will be providing any support?
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probably the same amount of support they provided for the thousands of steel workers who have lost their jobs over the last few years
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That reminds me of the rather unfortunate black humour which could be found on the new M74 built in Glasgow where you would pass a massive building with a huge sign saying 'TATA STEEL'. So true. So, so true.
 
gman said:
I think that was the 2.7 version which was considered pretty notorious for failures. Anyway, I shouldn't be taking this off topic.
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We have a mazda 6, 2013, with the 2.2D turbo engine. A 6 month batch of those were built with incorrect hardening on the camshafts so they detonated at around 3 years or 25-35K miles. Ours went 1 week before the warranty ran out. Whole new top of engine, turbo, brake servo etc. then 18 months later another turbo and a crank etc because they hadn't flushed the engine correctly...
 
A new trade deal between the EU and Japan will see tariffs on cars exported from Japan to Europe reduced to zero over time.
That means a dwindling rationale to base manufacturing inside the EU, and indeed, Honda plans to move production back to Japan rather than relocate elsewhere in Europe.
Production at Swindon has been in decline for some time and is currently running at about half its capacity - another strike against it.
 
Mr Bump said:
A new trade deal between the EU and Japan will see tariffs on cars exported from Japan to Europe reduced to zero over time.
That means a dwindling rationale to base manufacturing inside the EU, and indeed, Honda plans to move production back to Japan rather than relocate elsewhere in Europe.
Production at Swindon has been in decline for some time and is currently running at about half its capacity - another strike against it.
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You do realise all that information is in the posts preceding yours.
 
Marc said:
I think he has a few people on ignore. ;)
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I bet he wishes he could have JLR and diesel on ignore, they certainly seem to annoy him. :)
One things for sure, he certainly likes to ignore facts before making a lot of his posts. :)
 
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