BT infinity, a pipe dream for Warrington

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I keep seeing the bt ad for infinity on the TV so though I'd check the fibre map I found online to see when it's coming

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumer/assets/fibre_map/index.html

I live in Warrington which is the largest town in Cheshire but according to the map it's not even on the radar for the next 12 months

I can't work it out, places like bamber bridge are on the list but not he biggest town in Cheshire
 
Economic viability plays a part and it still has a limit of approx 1.5km from the fibre cabinet

Guessing it doesn't pay to enable an area where a fair share of people couldn't have it or wouldn't want/have the means to pay for it
 
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What are you trying to say , I live in a deprived area, :lol:
 
Wasn't going to put it that harshly, but .............. :)

Seriously though, I have no idea of Warrington's demographics, but like most things these days it's all about money.

Can only assume there are some pretty high powered market analysts behind the decision making
 
I always wanted to upgrade my broadband, in my place in Warrington. I was always told I could not, as the exchange I was connected to could not handle it. I was told by an engineer, that fibre optic would be available soon..That was ages ago, I gave up waiting !
 
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wack61 said:
What are you trying to say , I live in a deprived area, :lol:
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Depends on what part of Warrington you live in, if it is pretty well built up then there should be enough demand. :)
 
it all depends on if someone wants to take the responsibility to actually install the cable. On that list in march is Leek, where I live.

There's less than 20,000 people in Leek, but one of the internet service companies in stoke took on the responsibility to get it installed here I think so we're on the list
 
just to annoy people I live in a large village (2000 people) and I've had infinity for 6 months they have also changed all the cabinets on the out skirts for the farms but I'm not sure if they are turned on. I think most of the roll out is defined by the work they have to do on exchange.
Our exchange missed the last speed bumb on adsl 2+ so they needed to upgrade and we got infinity.

37mbits by the way :)
 
not even on the map in my village but 1 1/2 miles away is grrrrr
 
We haven't even got Gas yet where I live LOL

Back to the OP - I'm from Warrington (Stockton Heath) and would have thought it was on the radar.
 
I have noticed that BT infinity skirts areas that already have fibre optic.

I want fast BB, that means fibre, I want a choice of providers but there is no choice, its Virgin or nothing.

Infinity is available not half a mile from me but I'd wager a Yorkie bar and my favourite testicle that it will not, in my lifetime, come to my street.
Paves the way for both providers to keep their charges artificially high through a lack of competition.
 
jonbeeza said:
Depends on what part of Warrington you live in, if it is pretty well built up then there should be enough demand. :)
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I think the problem is its all detached houses so the amount of potential revenue per mile of cable is low compared to a terraced street plus its block paved everywhere so they can't just dig a trench and Tarmac it over.

Even though the houses are only 20 years old cable tv was never installed
 
The fibre cables go to the green boxes. There is no digging up. The run a cable down The use the existing pipe.

They then use vdsl between The cabinet and your house.

The by fibre is likely to hit most areas as it is a new cable down existing pipes between the exchange and the green cabinet. Virgin is limited as it requires new pipes putting in, new boxes. Lots of digging.
 
Dale_d3100 said:
The fibre cables go to the green boxes. There is no digging up. The run a cable down The use the existing pipe.

They then use vdsl between The cabinet and your house.

The by fibre is likely to hit most areas as it is a new cable down existing pipes between the exchange and the green cabinet. Virgin is limited as it requires new pipes putting in, new boxes. Lots of digging.
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This is true infinity is fibre to the cabinet the last 100m or so is still over your old phone line. I would love virgin in my area to give BT a bit of competition. Infinity's abit expensive but you do get free wifi and a couple of other benefits such as Flickr pro accounts.

One of the other good things about infinity is the upload speed I export dng's of all my starred images up to the cloud for archive I recently changed provider and while it took ages it's still nearly ten times faster than most adsl2+ upload spreads.
 
So many misconceptions, there is FTTC which is fibre to the cabinet and FTTP which is fibre to the premises

FTTC utilises the existing copper from the cabinet to the premises and FTTP is self explanatory

Just because the fibre cab is installed does not mean all exisiting users from the original cabinet are transferred over, you need to purchase the applicable fibre product

If you are still too far from the cabinet for Infinity the service provider may still have a sub 15 meg product that would give greater speed than your exisiting broadband
 
I would keep checking availability, I checked before Christmas and no sign, checked in the New Year and March was stated, next time I checked it was available - I've now had it for about two weeks. The technician told me I was the first on that box.

So, in spite of 'registering an interest' on the Infinity site, I never had any communication from BT.
 
If you're in Warrington can you not get Virgin?
 
wack61 said:
I think the problem is its all detached houses so the amount of potential revenue per mile of cable is low compared to a terraced street plus its block paved everywhere so they can't just dig a trench and Tarmac it over.
Even though the houses are only 20 years old cable tv was never installed
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Yes that could be an issue, the place that I am based in from time to time, is surrounded by farmland so that wont help. The nearest built up place is Leigh, my mate lives in Leigh and he has a choice of providers the lucky thing!



ffej1405 said:
If you're in Warrington can you not get Virgin?
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The last time I asked the answer was no, or at least the part I am in, Culcheth and Glazebury areas. Yes I know not quite Warrington, but we have the Warrington post code. It may be another case in Warrington town centre!
 
joxby said:
I have noticed that BT infinity skirts areas that already have fibre optic.

I want fast BB, that means fibre, I want a choice of providers but there is no choice, its Virgin or nothing.

Infinity is available not half a mile from me but I'd wager a Yorkie bar and my favourite testicle that it will not, in my lifetime, come to my street.
Paves the way for both providers to keep their charges artificially high through a lack of competition.
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Its true that BT won't be rushing Infinity to Virgin cabled areas, however they aren't currently direct competition. However if BT and Virgin can reach a commercial agreement, they could become genuine competition for the largest digital TV provider, Sky.

At the moment there is no direct competition in the digital delivery market, where sky dominate TV and BT dominate Broadband, but where Virgin provide better technology but for only a small number of customers. I don't know whether the technology would match, but if a large number of BT customers had access to Virgins TV services, Sky would definitely have to up their game.
 
Phil V said:
However if BT and Virgin can reach a commercial agreement, they could become genuine competition for the largest digital TV provider, Sky.
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I'm not interested in digital tv, I'm interested in cheaper BB, so you paint the worst case scenario for me in that any collaboration between BT and Virgin to thwart the great Sky evil, will probably include BB price fixing.
Anyway, its kinda moot since I don't think digital tv is the key media to be supplied by cable.
I don't mean that nobody will want digital tv, only that the lines are going to get very blurred between tv content and cable delivered media.
What we don't want is for these two cable company's to get all pally pally, especially when Sky content is available online. :)
 
Phil V said:
Its true that BT won't be rushing Infinity to Virgin cabled areas, however they aren't currently direct competition. However if BT and Virgin can reach a commercial agreement, they could become genuine competition for the largest digital TV provider, Sky.

At the moment there is no direct competition in the digital delivery market, where sky dominate TV and BT dominate Broadband, but where Virgin provide better technology but for only a small number of customers. I don't know whether the technology would match, but if a large number of BT customers had access to Virgins TV services, Sky would definitely have to up their game.
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With sky shortly about to start rolling out fibre (based on bt connection back to exchange then transfer to sky equipment) I think bt and virgin would struggle even after teaming up.
 
dinners said:
We haven't even got Gas yet where I live LOL

Back to the OP - I'm from Warrington (Stockton Heath) and would have thought it was on the radar.
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Actually its not a joke. We have no gas. We have to rely on Oil, which is stupidly expensive (especially in the winter). Last year also had a long waiting list. It was by sheer chance a couple of people in out village didn't run out of Oil

The broadband situation is poor too. BT "up to" 20 meg is what we pay for, I rarley see more than 0.75 meg. Of course they wont charge us less because the speed is lower!

When the government allows Service and infrastructure companies to tender, they should make them tender for rolling a service out to everyone, not the ones they can make the fastest buck from
 
Richard King said:
Actually its not a joke. We have no gas. We have to rely on Oil, which is stupidly expensive (especially in the winter). Last year also had a long waiting list. It was by sheer chance a couple of people in out village didn't run out of Oil
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If those things are important to you, move. I am serious, that is exactly what I did 18 months ago, moved house to get mains gas after 15 years of living with oil fired CH. I'd had enough of the wild price fluctuations and delivery times. It was so worth the £10k stamp duty plus all the other costs and upheaval, wish I'd done so a decade ago.
 
nice find this map ... exchange in my borough is ready but There is no indication when I could get Infinity... i was told today :
Unfortunately BT Infinity isn't available on your lineas of yet. Unfortunately there isn't a date listed when you can expect it, so I cannot check when it will be available, but there should be updates coming soon
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funny enough, that they offer infinity in some old houses etc but in a big and new communal estates there is no service like this at all....same with virgin cable etc,...
 
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