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The Senna name makes a return to F1 this week with Bruno Senna, nephew of the late, great Ayrton, making his F1 debut in a test for Honda.

After his superb drive in the wet at silvo this year, i hope for good things!
 
he ran yesterday, 15th quickest. Di Grassi was 17th yesterday and 10th today, Senna did not run today.
 
those new front wings suck. Not sexy. And whats this about Ecclestone wanting to ditch points for medals, only the top 3 will get anything, doesnt that sort of screw the mid and low teams who might pick up the odd point now and then?
 
the new wings are odd, I guess they have had to increase the size to get the downforce, but as others have spotted where they are much wider we could see alot more noses being damaged in first corner squeezes. The back wings are tiny and look a bit silly. Remember what we are seeing are only hybrids of this years car and next years wings, expect to see quite a bit of progression through the winter on both the body and wings.

It should be interesting next year, KERS is already a farce that is going to blow up in Maxxx's face at some point.

The medals thing ? I don't quite get where Bernie is going with this - the WDC is one thing but how will the WCC work ? The WCC points standings are an important sales tool for the advertising revenues that the teams collect, I think how much money they receive from Bernie also depends on them - how would you separate mid field teams who both haven't been on the podium but one is consistently placing 4/5/6th and the other 10/11/12th ? If Bernie is involved its something to do with money for sure. I dont see the teams being behind it, despite what he says.
It could be he actually wants a change back to 10-6-4-3-2-1. The way in F1 at the moment is to put forward a silly suggestion (e.g. spec engine) when you actually want a more reasonable system (e.g. customer engines) - let the panic die down and then say "of course we could do..."
 
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The front wings have been widened in hand with norrower rear wings to reduce the effect of lack of front downforce from messy air. Simply reducing the size of the rears wouldnt have given enough of an improvement.

KERS is proving a tad dangerious, a couple of BMW engineers have been injured already in there private tests, and that was without the stress of tight deadlines in races. Could be interesting though, but the guys with the most resources will win that battle, a thing i believe BMW had been playing before.

Top three only scoring points would be stupid, if anything the winner should score more, and points be spread futher down the order, with a bigger gap between 1st and 2nd, and 3rd to 4th. That would make people race harder to get into the top 3.

Will be interesting to see how Brunos times compare to Rubens.
 
yeah i think there will be a few wings off in the corners, and a few lost viewers if he goes to the top 3 point scoring only. Silly idea. I like the idea of more point spread, it gives the folk in the middle somethig to go for.
 
Those new end plates look sharp and almost like chariot tyre shredders. I'm sure I remember somewhere along the line that endplates had to be smooth.

I've watched F1 for over 30 years and it's now getting very hard to stay a fan with all the shenanigans that Bernie and Max are getting up to. They've done a great job of getting F1 widely noticed but they are now dumping on the fans far too often.
 
Whatabout giving points for qualifying positions - say 20 points for finishing in pole, 1 point for qualifying in 20th. Then, reverse the grid on raceday and make the pole sitter start from the back etc and dish out another 20 points for each position at the checkered flag.

That would make for some interesting racing, non?? :D
 
Craft said:
he ran yesterday, 15th quickest. Di Grassi was 17th yesterday and 10th today, Senna did not run today.
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Apparently in their first head to head, Senna was a second quicker than Di Grassi...

Looking good!
 
candlestick said:
Whatabout giving points for qualifying positions - say 20 points for finishing in pole, 1 point for qualifying in 20th. Then, reverse the grid on raceday and make the pole sitter start from the back etc and dish out another 20 points for each position at the checkered flag.

That would make for some interesting racing, non?? :D
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good yes but then all the "front runners" would just brim it before Quali so they stayed nearer the back lol

Senna had good times compared to di grassi, time sheets are harder to understand as some cars are running 2008 regs and others part 2008/09 and others 2009 lol
 
I think some of the wings are really just experiments to see how theory works in practise. I think the cars at the start of the season will look quite different to those at the moment, and likewise at the end of the season they'll have evolved.
 
whitey said:
good yes but then all the "front runners" would just brim it before Quali so they stayed nearer the back lol

Senna had good times compared to di grassi, time sheets are harder to understand as some cars are running 2008 regs and others part 2008/09 and others 2009 lol
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But those 2 ran the same, as a head to head comparison, surely
 
Senna's quickest lap was one minute, 21.676 seconds, while Honda lead driver Jenson Button was fifth fastest of the 12 on the circuit on Wednesday with a best of 1:21.387...

Impressive!
 
Now that does look impressive, however the thing that we dont know is what fuel loads where being used, and what spec cars either driver was using, or what spec tyres.

But all being equal thats a good time by Senna, or it just proves that Button isnt really upto the job.
 
gazzauk said:
But those 2 ran the same, as a head to head comparison, surely
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not always as people will just try to go slower and slower

or people may put no fuel in, start last, do a lap, pit for first stop. giving them space to go quicker. bad idea IMO
 
Times
01 S Vettel Red Bull 01:19.295 75 laps
02 S Bourdais Toro Rosso 1:19.839 122 laps
03 S Buemi Toro Rosso 1:20.154 115 laps
04 G Paffett McLaren 1:21.140 81 laps
05 J Button Honda 1:21.387 94 laps
06 C Klien BMW 1:21.534 88 laps
07 N Heidfeld BMW 1:21.592 106 laps
08 B Senna Honda 1:21.676 107 laps
09 N Piquet jr. Renault 1:22.148 94 laps
10 N Hulkenberg Williams 1:22.410 52 laps
11 L Badoer Ferrari 1:22.866 120 laps
12 G Fisichella Force India 1:23.086 03 laps
13 P De La Rosa Force India 1:23.103 88 laps


Yes, of course it's only testing...but even so, very positive. And ahead people like Piquet jr. God he's rubbish, isnt he! His first season was a complete damp squib, after some people were tipping him for great things.

Hey ho.
 
whitey said:
good yes but then all the "front runners" would just brim it before Quali so they stayed nearer the back lol

Senna had good times compared to di grassi, time sheets are harder to understand as some cars are running 2008 regs and others part 2008/09 and others 2009 lol
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Both Senna and Di Grassi have run in a hybrid 09 car
 
you would imagine button is in the hybrid too, as next year is whats important, so all in all, a superb showing by young Senna. Quicker than Di Grassi, better than Piquet, more marketable than Rubens. Senna should be alongside Button come Australia 09
 
What's his form like in the lower formulae?
 
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so an identical scenario barring the fuel levels, but then, you would expect button to run comparable fuel levels, after all, they are trying to determine if these young guns are worth taking on, so a direct comparison is logical.

In THAT case, to get within 3 tenths of Button is excellent work. At last, a big historic name coming back to F1 that actually looks like he can fill the shoes. :thumbs:
 
whitey said:
yeah but other cars at the top of the time sheets arent so there places arent to important, just lap times
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The fact is Senna beat Di Grassi though.

What did Di Grassi do in F3 compared to Senna?
 
whitey said:
yeah but other cars at the top of the time sheets arent so there places arent to important, just lap times
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Yes, i think thats what we are comparing, in particular, Sennas time compared to Button and Di Grassi
 
Di Grassi also said the track was "green" in the morning and there was less grip lol

prefer Senna to get into F1 over Di Grassi though. not seen alot of GP2 so cant say how it ended, i know Senna was Second though
 
What we need here is somebody that knows all about F3.
 
He ran in british F3 in 2006, endd up 3rd after four wins. He hd a big crash at snetterton :
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zwnA3Fs3Q0U

Last year he ran in GP2, ended up 8th overall
This year he was second in GP2 some of you might remember he had a pitlane incident almost identical to Massas in F1 this year, he also managed to hit a stray dog that wandered onto the circuit in Turkey. Again another win this year.

Di Grassi has been running in GP2 since 2006, this year he was 3rd, just one point behind Senna despite not competeing in the first 6 races of the year.

From a bit of googling and good old wikipedia :)
 
Craft said:
He ran in british F3 in 2006, endd up 3rd after four wins. He hd a big crash at snetterton :
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zwnA3Fs3Q0U
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We met Bruno in the paddack at Silverstone just a week or two after that little bump (F3 was there supporting the GP Masters race IRRC). After the polite hellos were out of the way I asked him how he was, and his face kinda lit up - pleased that someone actually knew what he'd been up to rather than just talking about his uncle I think! Anyway, he didn't actually tell us anything about the accident, but everything about his visit to the docs afterwards and how he thought seeing the doc had been such a waste of time :shrug: :lol:
 
So, a pleasant sounding fellow as well....unlike piquet jr who, according to people who have seen him operate first hand is a thoroughly obnoxious little git with a hugely overinflated sense of his own worth/talent (or lack of)!
 
gazzauk said:
So, a pleasant sounding fellow as well....
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yup, hes been great every time we've met him - he always made the time to stop a talk. Mind you, so did Hamilton when we quite literally bumped into him on the first day he was testing a McLaren F1 car - months before it was announced he got the drive



unlike piquet jr who, according to people who have seen him operate first hand is a thoroughly obnoxious little git with a hugely overinflated sense of his own worth/talent (or lack of)!
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Piquet was also there the day we met Hamilton, he looked a right chav wandering around with his cap on backwards, but he made a point of totally blanking anyone and everyone. Some friends of ours had blagged their into the Renault garage the day before though, and they said he'd been lurverly towards them :bonk:
 
Maybe he's been humbled a little, then, by his abject showing in F1!
 
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