British Da'ish Widow want to come home

Should she be welcomed back?

  • Yes, sure no problem

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • No, most definitely not

    Votes: 44 75.9%

  • Whatever, let the law determine the outcome

    Votes: 7 12.1%

  • I don't care, whatever

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • Total voters
    58
Overexposed said:
My point about the London bombings was that they were the work of homegrown fundamentalists and that anyone showing the slightest leaning in that direction has no place in our society. I also said that I felt sad for the Muslim community that they had such a problem...
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I'm not denying there are home grown Muslim fundamentalists, and if you look you can see I think they deserve the full weight of the law.

However I don't see them as a Muslim problem, they're not typical Muslims, why they exist is a topic for another thread. The difference between me and most is that I don't see the bogeyman behind every corner.

Overexposed said:
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You were the one who then decided my comments were Neo Nazi and then decided I was Anti Muslim!

So I'm still waiting for your evidence of my alleged Anti-Muslim Agenda.
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You'd really have to point out where I said that specifically, I think you might be drawing conclusions.
If you like, you could show me where I specifically said that.
 
dejongj said:
Reality is nobody gets out by themselves nor in by themselves. I think it is a mute point to be honest.
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Yes it's moot.
But you started the thread. You posted the article...the only "evidence" presented, which purports that she was assisted out by "smugglers", ergo, not by herself.
 
simonblue said:
No it doesn't work like that,their are no people just wandering about IS territory looking for people who want to escape,no unless they have a death wish
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So how do you presume these people who've helped rescue many people actually operate?

It'd help if you thought it through rather than just making up scenarios to dismiss. :)
 
@Phil V you are wasting your time Phil some people just do black and white.
Some folk are very small minded and are not realy interested in the bigger picture.
 
Phil V said:
The nazi scum are the people who fill social media with 'sentimental' posts about victims of fundamentalist Muslim violence in order to further their anti Muslim agenda.

But of course that's not why you brought up the victims of the London bombings, the similarities are purely circumstantial. :)

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Phil you need to be very careful posting stuff like this
 
Mr Bump said:
@Phil V you are wasting your time Phil some people just do black and white.
Some folk are very small minded and are not realy interested in the bigger picture.
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Guess what Mr Bump,war is sometimes like that Black and White you or them,that why anybody with any sense would stay well away,especially a woman with 5 children :(
 
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Mr Bump said:
@Phil V you are wasting your time Phil some people just do black and white.
Some folk are very small minded and are not realy interested in the bigger picture.
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And guess what, sometimes there just isn't a big picture ;) are you ever going to actually join the discussion or just snipe at those who don't agree with you?
 
Overexposed said:
Phil you need to be very careful posting stuff like this
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I think you really need to explain why you say that as it can be interpreted in quite a concerning way.
 
No, but you asked me for specifics and surely even you can see what you said was not acceptable
 
simonblue said:
No it doesn't work like that,their are no people just wandering about IS territory looking for people who want to escape,no unless they have a death wish
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to be fair there probably are people living in Is controlled areas who are not sympathetic to IS , and there may even be those that help captives etc to escape (there are for example the pro western syrian rebels who got pretty much abandoned when IS kicked off... they could legitimately have links with the kurds and a route out to the north)

Its also possible that the Mossad have something operating , or the jordanian or turkish inteligence services , or even UK/US inteligence

but whether any of them would risk revealing themselves to the widow of an IS fighter is another question
 
Overexposed said:
Pots and Kettles!
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???? Are you seriously suggesting I've not been participating in the suggestion or sniping at those who don't agree with me? Really?
 
big soft moose said:
to be fair there probably are people living in Is controlled areas who are not sympathetic to IS , and there may even be those that help captives etc to escape (there are for example the pro western syrian rebels who got pretty much abandoned when IS kicked off... they could legitimately have links with the kurds and a route out to the north)

Its also possible that the Mossad have something operating , or the jordanian or turkish inteligence services , or even UK/US inteligence

but whether any of them would risk revealing themselves to the widow of an IS fighter is another question
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It usually done with money involved,at one time their were up to 200 different groups working in Syria,some control large areas like IS and some others groups, it might just be a street.

You usually done by somebody who in the IS territory,but not one of them you have to ask around at great risk,then that person will cross IS lines,contact a smuggler who will make a plan to get you out at a price,then they get an mobile phone to you,to be used at agreed times,then when everything is put in place you make your move,being passed from group to group hoping nobody will betray you for an higher price till you get to the border you want to cross.
 
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::meh: :indifferent:
the black fox said:
there will no doubt be lots of "sleeper" agents gaining access to this country via the immigrant trail ,i,e coming over via dover .and i'm afraid its time to take a stand
WAKE UP BRITAIN your in danger
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This is the bit that worries me more than any of them going out there and not even the ones coming through the tunnel

It worries me how many that even though they're British by birth don't consider Britain to be their home country and in the event of a full scale war would take up arms against us and you wouldn't see it coming , it'd only take a few radicalised people in every town to create havoc

In previous wars internment was the answer but obviously that's not possible now , bottom line is if this does turn into something much bigger we're f***ed

Still there's plenty of CCTV to catch them:rolleyes:
 
Overexposed said:
No, but you asked me for specifics and surely even you can see what you said was not acceptable
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If you're suggesting this is a specific accusation, you must either have something you're hiding, or a very different understanding of the English language...

Phil V said:
The nazi scum are the people who fill social media with 'sentimental' posts about victims of fundamentalist Muslim violence in order to further their anti Muslim agenda.

But of course that's not why you brought up the victims of the London bombings, the similarities are purely circumstantial. :)

When would I have read the Daily Mail? Do I presume that's a joke, or that you are baiting me or that your IQ is less than 60? You'll have to explain.
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As you can see, I have a big issue with people who try to fill my social media streams with anti Muslim and indeed outright racist posts. These are often dressed up as 'patriotic' or caring for our own, or sometimes they invoke the memory of 'victims' in order to play on our conscience. It's lowball political behaviour and I find it despicable (as should be obvious from my language.

Now, you brought up the victims of the London bombings, which I'm happy to suggest could be purely circumstantial, and I gave you the option to add evidence to that, but you declined.

So either:
You don't understand the whole picture and you innocently thought you were adding to the debate (naive but possible)
You completely understand what it was you were doing, but you feel ashamed to have been caught out so you're ignoring the discussion
You completely understand what it was you were doing, you don't feel you have to defend that position, and you disagree that it shows you in a bad light (arguably you fall into the same pot as the Nazi scum in my social media feed, whether knowingly or not).

Something else - feel free to explain.
 
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As you can see I also have a big issue with people ( I use the term loosely in your case) who accuse me of racism or anti muslim postings. I invited you to point out any racism or anti muslim posting and you couldn't!
When you're cornered you go off trying to muddy the water - I told you why I brought up the London bombings because they were the work of fundamentalists which funnily enough IS recruits. I am neither anti muslim or racist despite your best efforts to try and suggest I am.I suggest you read my posts properly and in context or have some one read them to you slowly as something doesn't seem to be going in.
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I suggest you cool off and stop attacking other posters that don't agree with you
 
I think this will be a good point to leave it there as you both had you say, and let's refrain of making personal threats @Overexposed
 
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Overexposed said:
As you can see I also have a big issue with people ( I use the term loosely in your case) who accuse me of racism or anti muslim postings. I invited you to point out any racism or anti muslim posting and you couldn't!
When you're cornered you go off trying to muddy the water - I told you why I brought up the London bombings because they were the work of fundamentalists which funnily enough IS recruits. I am neither anti muslim or racist despite your best efforts to try and suggest I am.I suggest you read my posts properly and in context or have some one read them to you slowly as something doesn't seem to be going in.
When you've actually got something worthwhile to say Im willing to listen but until then stop acting like a prick and making groundless accusations which if they continue will get you in to trouble..
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Because I never accused you? I asked you to clarify and you ignored me.
I'm just asking for clarity and I'm 'acting like a prick', that's hilarious.
People will judge you on that. If you don't like it, fell free to explain yourself better in simple English.
 
simon ess said:
That's the second time you've made this sort of suggestion.

I'm fascinated to know what you mean exactly.
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My guess is either, the posts will be reported and he could get into trouble, or if similar accusations are made to someone in the real world as opposed to from a keyboard, he may well say it to the wrong person who would rather resort to physical reasoning as opposed to verbal reasoning.
 
nilagin said:
My guess is either, the posts will be reported and he could get into trouble,
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you guessed correctly. We had more than one RTM. and he's on a short break. There's no need to remind everyone else to play nice is there? Good :)
 
Why can't everyone just play nicely on this forum?
It isn't hard, if you disagree with someone else's viewpoint, explain why you think that you're right and they're wrong - query the basis for their reasoning, don't attack the motives (which are never known) or the person (who is usually not known)

It's no different to playing sports, attack the ball, not the player.
 
viv1969 said:
Indeed.
But I, and I believe the vast majority of people, have no idea at all what it might be like to have zero personal freedom; to be in certain fear for our lives, or those of our children. There is a chance that this woman spent practically no time alone with the opportunity to make such a report.
I'm not making excuses, I've already stated my opinion on the basis of initial information, but abject fear, I hear, can be a great motivator.
For now, I'll keep my pitchfork in the shed.
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Can you say what leads you to even think this woman was under any duress at all?
 
LASTOLITE said:
Can you say what leads you to even think this woman was under any duress at all?
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Can you say for sure she's not?
As I see this (trying to be open minded)

One side of the popular media tells us that women living in radical Islamic relationships are constantly abused and in fear of their lives... right up to the point when there's a story about them going to fight for ISIS, at which point they become brave warrior princesses who should have their citizenship revoked.

On the other side, there's the story that most Muslim women wearing the Burqua do so of their own free will, and that their devout religious beliefs are a human right... right up to the point when there's a story about them being drawn to ISIS, at which point they are allegedly systematically raped, imprisoned and kept in fear of their lives.

I'm sure the truth is in there somewhere, but anyone who thinks they 'know' the facts in this case from reading a few articles is seriously misguided.

So did we ought to have the benefit of the doubt and let the experts make the decision. After all, I'm sure that they know much more about this than we do, and they'll get to interview the people involved. ;)
 
Phil V said:
After all, I'm sure that they know much more about this than we do, and they'll get to interview the people involved. ;)
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The truth is probably quite mundane,
but trial by forum is much more entertaining ;)
 
LASTOLITE said:
Can you say what leads you to even think this woman was under any duress at all?
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No, because I don't know.
But it's one possibility amongst many others, and no one here knows anything other than what's been offered by a media rag looking to sell issues/generate hits.

So if it's ok with you I'll hold off on the "Burn the witch" cries for the time being.

But please, if that makes you feel all patriotic and manly, you go right ahead.
 
Phil V said:
I'm not so sure this has been that entertaining... :(
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Perhaps entertaining was the wrong word, "more in keeping" may have been more accurate ;)
 
Phil V said:
I'm not so sure this has been that entertaining... :(
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It was until people started making it personal. Unfortunately a habit current day where for whatever reason people don't seem to get that not everyone is the same.
 
viv1969 said:
No, because I don't know.
But it's one possibility amongst many others, and no one here knows anything other than what's been offered by a media rag looking to sell issues/generate hits.

So if it's ok with you I'll hold off on the "Burn the witch" cries for the time being.

But please, if that makes you feel all patriotic and manly, you go right ahead.
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Hey Up, you can attack me without FACT but treat the woman in the story with balance and fairness? I only asked the reason why you would even think it possible she was under ANY duress Ruth - Nowt Else! your reply is a little errm .....off there.

LOL how did my patriotism and manliness become part of this.....My O MY........You are a funny woman arent you.....[giggles]
 
Phil V said:
Can you say for sure she's not?
As I see this (trying to be open minded)

One side of the popular media tells us that women living in radical Islamic relationships are constantly abused and in fear of their lives... right up to the point when there's a story about them going to fight for ISIS, at which point they become brave warrior princesses who should have their citizenship revoked.

On the other side, there's the story that most Muslim women wearing the Burqua do so of their own free will, and that their devout religious beliefs are a human right... right up to the point when there's a story about them being drawn to ISIS, at which point they are allegedly systematically raped, imprisoned and kept in fear of their lives.

I'm sure the truth is in there somewhere, but anyone who thinks they 'know' the facts in this case from reading a few articles is seriously misguided.

So did we ought to have the benefit of the doubt and let the experts make the decision. After all, I'm sure that they know much more about this than we do, and they'll get to interview the people involved. ;)
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I only asked the question Phil as to how Ruth would think the woman at the centre of the story may have been under duress...that is all. nowt else!
 
LASTOLITE said:
Hey Up, you can attack me without FACT but treat the woman in the story with balance and fairness? I only asked the reason why you would even think it possible she was under ANY duress Ruth - Nowt Else! your reply is a little errm .....off there.

LOL how did my patriotism and manliness become part of this.....My O MY........You are a funny woman arent you.....[giggles]
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I apologise.
I suppose "What makes you think....." might have read a little less confrontational than "What makes you even think......"
Maybe that's just me.

By the way, the last comment in your post was every bit as purile as mine so shall we just call it even and move on?
 
I’m starting to modify my viewpoint on this one. I began by being absolutely adamant that there was no way “they” should be allowed back into the UK. I’ve no idea, any more than any of us have whether the mother went under duress or not, but I doubt the 5 children would have had any say in it.

The mother may well be suspect, even perhaps the older children by now, but the younger ones can’t have any guilt attached to them surely? The cost involved in supporting them if they were ever allowed back is irrelevant, a tiny percentage of our countries income no matter how you care to calculate it, even if they were kept in the lap of luxury and watched night and day. And the children presumably are bona fide UK citizens after all. Can we just wash our hands of that? As a family they must be struggling to even feed themselves properly, and I for one don’t like the idea of that for any British citizen wherever they are.

The only real question is that of security to the UK population were they to return, and it’s still an important one. One solution, although I’m convinced it would never happen would be to keep and support them in Turkey, perhaps safer for us, but I suppose it’s much more likely they’ll eventually be repatriated to the UK.

I don’t have a magic wand, wish I did sometimes...
 
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