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I wasn't sure of the lawyer to be honest and as I'm on holiday at the moment didn't have time to fully check. Yes most of the people they rescued were there against their will but we're also leaving Isis territory against the will of Isis as they generally don't let anyone leave, least of all women who they seem to see as a commodity.
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And yet some have.
Yes, they're waiting to see if they'll face charges, but back nonetheless.
Sorry I was trying to say all theses women had been captured durning IS advancement into the territory where they had lived,they hadn't gone to them of their own free will like the woman in the OP.
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Another one with no idea of her situation at the time.
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don't ANY of the gooders on here read the flipping news in depth ,yeah o.k so they let this woman back in with her five kids ,complete with burkah etc she will be under observation BUT whats to stop her strapping a bomb to one or more of her children and sending them out to become martyrs of allah ,yep thats a worst case scenario but its already been done in iraq and afganistan so why not here .
lets get it straight previous generations of immigrants came here seeking refuge from persecution and were only to happy to be called british and live as we do ,i wonder how many of the present wave will do the same and there are bound to be sleepers amongst them ,that are just waiting there orders ,these people don't think of a war that goes on for days weeks or years with them its centuries .we can't stop it but we must slow it down .in which case every precaution must be taken and if that means excluding a family that although born here are not of british descent anyway then so be it ,they will have started the path to being radicalised already ,maybe not the year old one but the other older ones definitely ,think back to the photos of children with kalishnakovs and grenade launchers ,and if my memory serves me rightly the somalis of which the mother is one are among the worst for child soldiers
lets get it straight previous generations of immigrants came here seeking refuge from persecution and were only to happy to be called british and live as we do ,i wonder how many of the present wave will do the same and there are bound to be sleepers amongst them ,that are just waiting there orders ,these people don't think of a war that goes on for days weeks or years with them its centuries .we can't stop it but we must slow it down .in which case every precaution must be taken and if that means excluding a family that although born here are not of british descent anyway then so be it ,they will have started the path to being radicalised already ,maybe not the year old one but the other older ones definitely ,think back to the photos of children with kalishnakovs and grenade launchers ,and if my memory serves me rightly the somalis of which the mother is one are among the worst for child soldiers
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Nothing personal to you either but until this country actually starts protecting itself and stops being so liberal to the very people who are trying to destroy its fabric and society then we will never live in peace or harmony. Im all for humanitarianism but not when its allied to allowing fundamentalism. If you cross the line there should be no way back. I feel very sorry for the muslim community but they to must stand up and be counted and remove this disease from their midst and stop it affecting the society that they are supposed to be living in harmony with. In the same way. The only person who has mentioned retribution or retaliation is you, if the problem isn't there because our society won't let it be then it ceases ti become a problem.If you can't be outraged that Lee Rigby's death is a sad reflection of how we've let this country slip the you should hang your head in shame. We've become doormats afraid of standing up for ourselves, if someone doesn't want what we want or share our views then they needn't live amongst us. We don't need to retaliate just make sure that our community is made up of people looking after each others backs.
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What is shameful is suggesting that people who a hold a different point of view in this particular case are indifferent to Lee Rigby's death.
Frankly - how dare you?
What we do no is she was not in any of the territory overrun by IS,she made her way to IS held territory,are you saying because she is a woman she had little free will.
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Exactly. Coming from the UK she could not have gone if she really wanted to. Even at the border there would be plenty of opportunity to raise alarm bells.
Or do what the Hungarian mum did and drag her son back to the UK to face the rape charges.
In my view if you don't shop them then you are with them.
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Before spouting vitriol read the thread above mine and take it in context not as a generalisation !
Agee,plus you can't have it both ways,somehow she found the free will to escape from IS and make it to Turkey,
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Read back and you'll see what I've said.
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Shameful and pathetic. I'm happy to support any peace loving people of the world, no matter what race creed or religion.
I'm happy to be against fundamentalism, but I don't see it as a Muslim issue.
And I would be happy to throw these children's father in jail if he was still alive, but you have no knowledge of his wife's life, or her beliefs, and if you can label a 1 year old baby as a some kind of enemy then you and I certainly have different values, and it's not because I'm soft.
And you really should look up what Lee Rigby's family's attitude to this is.
It's frankly sickening that Nazi scum turn that into an anti Muslim issue.
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Or maybe it's true that she was helped to escape and she's genuinely frightened for her life?
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Only after her husband was killed.
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She possibly is. Can't be a great environment for a woman on her own with several children on tow. But why did she go out on free will? Why not raise the alarm bells beforehand? It's 2015 after all. So many opportunities along the way.
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And there it is.
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So who's the Nazi Scum you are referring to?
And where has this ever become an Anti-Muslim?
Unfortunately IS and fundamentalism are inextricably linked , so yes it is a Muslim problem but I'd like you to show me where this has ever been turned into anything Anti-Muslim? the only person trying to turn this Anti Muslim is you!
And apart from reading your Daily Mail how have you got any idea of what Lee Rigby's family think?
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We don't know, but we should find out.
But here's a thought...
Oppressed people very rarely shout for help even when they know they should, I think it'd be awful if we started to blame victims of domestic abuse for their own suffering.
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The nazi scum are the people who fill social media with 'sentimental' posts about victims of fundamentalist Muslim violence in order to further their anti Muslim agenda.
But of course that's not why you brought up the victims of the London bombings, the similarities are purely circumstantial.
When would I have read the Daily Mail? Do I presume that's a joke, or that you are baiting me or that your IQ is less than 60? You'll have to explain.
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For sure. And we don't know, can only speculate for now. But to me she comes across as rather resourceful to get out by herself. I just don't belief little miss innocent.
But as per the option in the poll, I do like us to apply the law and deal with it that way opposed to public opinion and pitch forks or compassion.
In the mean time we can still discuss and speculate.
Phil in war a lot of people are frightened for their life,sorry that the nature of war, a zone in which she chose to go into she may have had regrets after her husband was killed,but you don't just decide to escape from IS and you said you need help and planning,and the strong will to see it all thought and the risk you take.
Sorry I don't think you can have it both ways
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So let's keep our feet on the ground, and our minds on the facts.Phil in war a lot of people are frightened for their life,sorry that the nature of war, a zone in which she chose to go into she may have had regrets after her husband was killed,but you don't just decide to escape from IS and you said you need help and planning,and the strong will to see it all thought and the risk you take.
Sorry I don't think you can have it both ways
Is it feasible or even likely that this woman felt a complete sense of duty or was scared s***less of her husband?
On the death of her husband, she was helped to escape by experts in the field who have rescued many others from what could be a fate worse than death.
How is that 'having it both ways'?
The nazi scum are the people who fill social media with 'sentimental' posts about victims of fundamentalist Muslim violence in order to further their anti Muslim agenda.
But of course that's not why you brought up the victims of the London bombings, the similarities are purely circumstantial.
When would I have read the Daily Mail? Do I presume that's a joke, or that you are baiting me or that your IQ is less than 60? You'll have to explain.
Again Phil we the allies hung over 80 Nazi women for their crimes,and some of them were very young when they were first indoctrinate into the nazi party,
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The nazi scum are the people who fill social media with 'sentimental' posts about victims of fundamentalist Muslim violence in order to further their anti Muslim agenda.
But of course that's not why you brought up the victims of the London bombings, the similarities are purely circumstantial.
When would I have read the Daily Mail? Do I presume that's a joke, or that you are baiting me or that your IQ is less than 60? You'll have to explain.
Theres only one joke here and thats the garbage you are spouting!
I invite you again to point out where there is any mention of Anti Muslim comment in my posts.
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Or the alternative is that she was quite happy supporting the cause. However as a woman alone with children it is really not a good life for her out there. Whilst in the UK she'll be looked after for ever and a day.
Just as likely or not.
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Absolutely possible too. Like I said earlier, we really should find out.
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You could just explain what you meant in your post re the London bombings, because to lots of people, it speaks volumes about your views and source of political agenda.
Now if there's another perfectly rational explanation...
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Surely those women had a trial and we had evidence. We didn't just hang them because they were married to members of the SS? Which would be the equivalent to this case.
Phil you just don't decide to escape,your stuck in IS territory where do you find theses so called experts,you don't just go online
Plus if she was so scared of her husband,wouldn't the best place to stay was at home,as far away from him as possible,and did she ever take into account the great risk she was taking with her children
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Id presume they find you. But then I'm looking at this from a neutral viewpoint, not looking for some hidden conspiracy theory.Phil you just don't decide to escape,your stuck in IS territory where do you find theses so called experts,you don't just go online
Plus if she was so scared of her husband,wouldn't the best place to stay was at home,as far away from him as possible,and did she ever take into account the great risk she was taking with her children
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My point about the London bombings was that they were the work of homegrown fundamentalists and that anyone showing the slightest leaning in that direction has no place in our society. I also said that I felt sad for the Muslim community that they had such a problem.
You were the one who then decided my comments were Neo Nazi and then decided I was Anti Muslim!
So I'm still waiting for your evidence of my alleged Anti-Muslim Agenda.
You were the one who then decided my comments were Neo Nazi and then decided I was Anti Muslim!
So I'm still waiting for your evidence of my alleged Anti-Muslim Agenda.
I am not saying hang her,I am saying just because she a women doesn't automatically mean she get treated any differently than if it had been a man
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Reality is nobody gets out by themselves nor in by themselves. I think it is a mute point to be honest.
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I know I'm nitpicking but it isn't the Muslim community that has such a problem. We have such a problem. However, I do think that we cannot resolve this without help from the Muslim community and the willingness to involve the official authorities to deal with it.
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No it doesn't work like that,their are no people just wandering about IS territory looking for people who want to escape,no unless they have a death wish