British Da'ish Widow want to come home

Should she be welcomed back?

  • Yes, sure no problem

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • No, most definitely not

    Votes: 44 75.9%

  • Whatever, let the law determine the outcome

    Votes: 7 12.1%

  • I don't care, whatever

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • Total voters
    58
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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...home-with-her-kids/ar-BBlLhSl?ocid=spartandhp

So this Somali origin woman went out there with her five children and husband to join Da'ish, he gets killed and she wants to come home. Oh will someone please think of the children they had no choice...

Hmmm, I have no sympathy for this situation at all. Actually on the contrary, I would hope all legal possible blockers are being put in her way to ever return to the UK.
 
Anyone going to join Isil should automatically have their citizenship and passport revoked. How long does it take to train and brainwash a suicide bomber then send and plant a sleeper back here in the UK cos were daft enough to welcome back wrongdoers. Isil want to play strict with their laws give them a taste of their own medicine.
 
No way should anyone who takes everything this country has to offer them in the way of a decent life, health care, education and so on, and then leaves to join the IS caliphate ever be allowed back into the UK.

EDIT - Just to clarify, because it really does sound at odds with my political views. I have every sympathy for genuine asylum seekers (Not economic migrants) but this really is an issue of security. Anyone attempting to re-enter the UK in a situation like this can never be trusted. I don't think that you can legally revoke citizenship but it would be far better not to allow them back if at all possible. I do have sympathy with the children, it would be inhuman not to, but it doesn't change the reality of the danger to our country.
 
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Agreed, she didn't have to go with him, she must have followed his beliefs
 
Difficult one really, the children will be British by virtue of being born here or having a British father. Can any civilised country deny those children their citizenship? I think not.
Now, the mother may have chosen to follow her husbands beliefs or not. It's not clear in the linked article but it appears it's being presumed by some.

The article is short on a lot if detail really.

Certainly a thorough debrief would be required before a final decision is made by the relevant authority as to whether any anti terrorism charges were to be brought, but, ultimately I don't believe the British family should be prevented from returning in this case.
 
wack61 said:
Agreed, she didn't have to go with him, she must have followed his beliefs
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Do you know that for a fact, the article linked in the the op doesn't go into too much detail regarding how/why she followed her husband. She 'may' have agreed totally with his beliefs then again she 'may' not have.
 
Of course I don't know it for a fact but I can't see many mothers taking their children out there if they didn't.
 
PaulF said:
Do you know that for a fact, the article linked in the the op doesn't go into too much detail regarding how/why she followed her husband. She 'may' have agreed totally with his beliefs then again she 'may' not have.
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I'm tempted to ask if you know "for a fact" that she didn't go of her own accord, to be fair I'm sure you don't, and it's a reasonable question, however it is irrelevant.
The very fact that she did go to join, the IS willing or not makes her attempt to return to the UK highly suspect, and I certainly would not want her to be able to return.
 
bindex said:
I'm tempted to ask if you know "for a fact" that she didn't go of her own accord, to be fair I'm sure you don't, and it's a reasonable question, however it is irrelevant.
The very fact that she did go to join, the IS willing or not makes her attempt to return to the UK highly suspect, and I certainly would not want her to be able to return.
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That was my point, I don't know the details of how she went, neither does anyone here based on the info available. I'm just not willing to ban a British family from Britain based on some 'gap filling' without any good information. I'm happy to let the relevant authorities make that decision.
 
fabs said:
Best case scenario, the father would have just taken the kids. Worse case scenario doesn't bear thinking about!
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Best case, no one would have gone, agree worst case doesn't bear thinking about.
 
PaulF said:
Best case, no one would have gone, agree worst case doesn't bear thinking about.
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What I meant was bast case the mother could have hoped for because, if the husband decided he was going and wanted to take her and the kids, she wouldn't have had much choice in the matter. If she said no, he would have taken he kids anyway.
 
wack61 said:
Of course I don't know it for a fact but I can't see many mothers taking their children out there if they didn't.
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You know no such thing.
She was married to an extremist, and a Muslim extremist at that.
It could been a case of "Do as you're told or die", or worse, "Do as you're told or the children die".

My first thought is no, there should be no return, but that's without knowledge of all the FACTS.
 
You're right, none of us know, could be either
 
viv1969 said:
You know no such thing.
She was married to an extremist, and a Muslim extremist at that.
It could been a case of "Do as you're told or die", or worse, "Do as you're told or the children die".

My first thought is no, there should be no return, but that's without knowledge of all the FACTS.
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Indeed none of u know the facts

The government would look on this though that if she had any inkling as to what was going on or did not want to go then she should have reported her husband - to not do so is a criminal offence in itself I believe
 
Keith W said:
Indeed none of u know the facts

The government would look on this though that if she had any inkling as to what was going on or did not want to go then she should have reported her husband - to not do so is a criminal offence in itself I believe
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Indeed.
But I, and I believe the vast majority of people, have no idea at all what it might be like to have zero personal freedom; to be in certain fear for our lives, or those of our children. There is a chance that this woman spent practically no time alone with the opportunity to make such a report.
I'm not making excuses, I've already stated my opinion on the basis of initial information, but abject fear, I hear, can be a great motivator.
For now, I'll keep my pitchfork in the shed.
 
Anyone who can do that can't be trusted! why should we let her her back and have to have the security services watch her.?
 
Whilst I appreciate the fear, I also appreciate that it was exactly as the western world suggest it is out there, and that it is not great and they don't feel safe.

However I can't help but think that for a window with five children it is incredible difficult to keep a roof above your head and a meal on the table. Somehow at home in Brittain there won't be any such worries, a house will be provided, money will be given away. Heck with five children I can imagine she'll be at about £26K per annum provided for by you and I.

Yup I don't know, still doesn't stop me from thinking that. I don't begrudge anyone that but then also join in and don't be an outsider.
 
I think this woman will be subject to quite an in-depth interrogation from our security services before a decision to repatriate is made. Let them do their job, they (probably) know more about the case than we do.
 
Llamaman said:
I think this woman will be subject to quite an in-depth interrogation from our security services before a decision to repatriate is made. Let them do their job, they (probably) know more about the case than we do.
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Or better still save time and money and just say no.
 
How's this for a compromise - revoke her citizenship, but keep the childrens'. She can then decide to send the children back to be raised by friends/family in the safety of the UK, or keep them in Turkey and risk execution by IS.
 
nilagin said:
My concern for my family and the other people in this country is a lot more touching,
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Yup, those suicide bomber toddlers are a thorny issue. Utterly deadly, but so cute as they waddle to their destruction...
 
Llamaman said:
How's this for a compromise - revoke her citizenship, but keep the childrens'. She can then decide to send the children back to be raised by friends/family in the safety of the UK, or keep them in Turkey and risk execution by IS.
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Brilliant, you've just created a cell of five sibling who are very anti the UK as it killed their father and took them away from their mother. ;)
 
dejongj said:
Brilliant, you've just created a cell of five sibling who are very anti the UK as it killed their father and took them away from their mother. ;)
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Or, 5 (well, probably only 1 or 2 as the others will be too young to remember) ambassadors for the UK as they can honestly tell their classmates how awful life is under IS. ;) And we wouldn't be taking them from their mother, she'd be sending them away for their own safety. Needs to be her decision, as we can't go to Turkey and rendition them (well, we can, but we shouldn't).
 
the safety of my family and my friends is of far more concern than a somali who went to join her husband fight against what we believe in whether under duress or not .there will no doubt be lots of "sleeper" agents gaining access to this country via the immigrant trail ,i,e coming over via dover .and i'm afraid its time to take a stand .so my answer is no re-entry she had it ,she blew it go make a new home else-where .
WAKE UP BRITAIN your in danger
 
the black fox said:
the safety of my family and my friends is of far more concern than a somali who went to join her husband fight against what we believe in whether under duress or not .there will no doubt be lots of "sleeper" agents gaining access to this country via the immigrant trail ,i,e coming over via dover .and i'm afraid its time to take a stand .so my answer is no re-entry she had it ,she blew it go make a new home else-where .
WAKE UP BRITAIN your in danger
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Ok, so the woman can't come home - fair enough. What about the children? (Won't somebody think of them? ;)) These are British citizens by birth, who have been taken by irresponsible parents to a warzone. Don't we have some responsibility to them?
 
Llamaman said:
Ok, so the woman can't come home - fair enough. What about the children? (Won't somebody think of them? ;)) These are British citizens by birth, who have been taken by irresponsible parents to a warzone. Don't we have some responsibility to them?
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Simply put, No we don't.
 
Llamaman said:
Ok, so the woman can't come home - fair enough. What about the children? (Won't somebody think of them? ;)) These are British citizens by birth, who have been taken by irresponsible parents to a warzone. Don't we have some responsibility to them?
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Simply put, yes we do. They are British citizens, what has happened to them is not their fault. It may be partly our fault for allowing their parents to come here in the first place, but they are innocent.
 
nilagin said:
Simply put, No we don't.
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Even though they are British-born British citizens who have done nothing wrong? We should just abandon them in Turkey and whatever fate IS decides to dream up for them?

Can you explain why? If they were in the UK we would expect social services to remove them from the care of such irresponsible parents - why should we stop caring now, when it is within our power to deliver them to a safer and (hopefully) happier life?
 
I think the answer will be and should be yes, the children are British citizens and should be protected as they are innocent victims in this.
 
Mr Bump said:
I think the answer will be and should be yes, the children are British citizens and should be protected as they are innocent victims in this.
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Providing they have not been radicalised too! As previous posts have said the security services need to do their job in this one - my own view is that she's made her bed and there should be no gambling with national security!
 
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Overexposed said:
Providing they have been radicalised too! As previous posts have said the security services need to do their job in this one - my own view is that she's made her bed and there should be no gambling with national security!
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She maybe has made a poor choice but her children did not make that choice and need the full protection of our country, that's why we are GREAT Britain.

They are British citizens and according to that article the children are aged between one and 12.

Where is your compassion man?
 
I would not want to reject the opportunity for the security services to extract information from her.

The law would then decide her fate, and the fate of the children.
 
Mr Bump said:
She maybe has made a poor choice but her children did not make that choice and need the full protection of our country, that's why we are GREAT Britain.

They are British citizens and according to that article the children are aged between one and 12.

Where is your compassion man?
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Sorry where IS and jhaddi are concerned there can be no place for compassion if people want to join the movement how can there possibly be a way back without potentially endangering other innocent people?
 
Overexposed said:
Sorry where IS and jhaddi are concerned there can be no place for compassion if people want to join the movement how can there possibly be a way back without potentially endangering other innocent people?
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I realy hope you and any children you may have are never judged by your morality it will be a very sad day.
I am so saddened by many of the comments on this forum lately but yours has truly hit a new low.
 
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