Britain First

[fracster]

Then again Ann Widdecombe is allegedly a virgin too.

Are you surprised by that?

 

[BRASH]

Are you surprised by that?

No, not really. Sad to admit tho, I've probably had worse Mind you if it were a toss up between her and ..........................oh, no I better not say

 

[nilagin]

Did you ever find anything to back up this assertion? Or did you just unthinkingly make it up and hope to get away with it?

I've known many people (black and white) use it, before the world became so PC it was used all the time.

 

[SFTPhotography]

No, not really. Sad to admit tho, I've probably had worse D

You have to slay a few dragons before you get a princess...

 

[BRASH]

You have to slay a few dragons before you get a princess...

Ha, I'm still at the serpent stage then.

 

[Laudrup]

So let's make it plausible, if we don't accept immaculate conception, who shagged Mary?
My guess would be her husband.
So your plausible answer to both points, both Joseph and Mohammed are nonces.

Or they both existed at a time when there was no concept of nonce, where there was no legal line between an adult and childhood, and all they did is what everyone else did.

I'm not condoning it, but I'm intelligent enough to not condemn it.

I'd condemn a lot of his life and having sex with 9 year olds would fall under that category along with all the war, rape and murder of innocents. It was wrong back then and it is wrong right now in Islamic State controlled areas.

 

[big soft moose]

A few interesting points from the Muslim code of conduct (mostly from the Quran , some from other holy texts)

Allah does not forbid you concerning those people who do not fight you because of your religion, nor expel you from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly.. . . Allah forbids you only concerning those people who fight you for your religion, and drive you from your homes and help others to expel you, that you make friends of them.

O you who believe, be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice; and do not let the hatred of a people incite you not to act with justice. Be just; that is nearer to observance of duty

Argue not with the people of the Book (Jews, Christians, and other people having scriptures) except by the best (means), save those of them who act unjustly. But say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him we submit.

A funeral procession passed by the Holy Prophet, and he stood up for it. People said to him: It was the funeral of a Jew. He said: Was it not a human life

Hardly the doctrine of a religion bent on murder and destruction

In fact the Quran expressly forbids wars of aggression, Muslims are allowed only to fight when attacked

Permission to fight is given to those on whom war is made, because they are oppressed . . . those who are driven from their homes without a just cause except that they say: Our Lord is Allah."

"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you, but be not aggressive. Surely Allah loves not the aggressors

There is a lot more here -http://www.muslim.org/ those who believe all muslims are fundamentalist head cases bent on world domination should have a read. Of course someone is bound to say "but IS disagree" which is true - but thats because they are a bunch of extremist nutters who are not representative of the faith as a whole

. IMHO to be British you have to in my view be more than simply born here. You have to be a functioning part of our society and got into it.

I don't disagree - but there is nothing that says you can't be a loyal british subject and a functioning part of society and be a muslim (in fact if you are faithful to the Quran you pretty much have to be a functioning part of the society in which you live, because the quran demands it)

My argument all the way through this thread is not that Muslim extremists like IS aren't dangerous - its that they aren't representative of all muslims, any more than the CSA or the order are representative of all christians, or the angry brigade of all atheists.

 

[big soft moose]

I'd condemn a lot of his life and having sex with 9 year olds would fall under that category along with all the war, rape and murder of innocents. It was wrong back then and it is wrong right now in Islamic State controlled areas.

so do you also condemn all the wars caused by Christianity (which also included a lot of rape and murder of innocents) including the actions of various Christian far right terrorist groups , and complete head cases like the LRA ?

I don't neccesarily disagree that attacking the innocent is wrong , but why single Islam out as the cause of it when its pretty much part of the human condition ?

 

[Musicman]

And you wonder why what happened in Rotherham happened. Yes you get nonces in all walks of life but only one religion that has a nonce on a pedestal.

Islam takes a pretty dim view of adultery too. I'm not aware that any of the perpetrators there married their victims, so I doubt what they did was part of their religious observance.

 

[nilagin]

not forgetting of course that the celtic people came out of the east and dispossessed the stone age british who were here before them. At the end of the day if you go far enough back we all originated in africa regardless of the colour of our skin or which sky pixie (if any) we worship

Apparently not, a skull was found in a cave in Chalkidiki, Northern Greece and does not originate from anything found in Africa.

 

[big soft moose]

And they got dragged through the gutter press, and prosecutions were made. Rotherham was different as they didn't want to make the prosecutions/investigate as they didn't to upset the precious Muslim population.

so how do we know about it ... oh yeah, because they were prosecuted :bang:

 

[boyfalldown]

Apparently not, a skull was found in a cave in Chalkidiki, Northern Greece and does not originate from anything found in Africa.

I din't think they'd even managed to agree which species that skull came from (Neanderthal or Homo Erectus) let alone where it originated?

 

[Phil V]

Apparently not, a skull was found in a cave in Chalkidiki, Northern Greece and does not originate from anything found in Africa.

And your DNA has a direst link to that skull?

Or does your DNA, like mine, and Elvis' and Moses' and Martin Luther King's and Hitler's originate in Africa?

 

[nilagin]

And your DNA has a direst link to that skull?

Or does your DNA, like mine, and Elvis' and Moses' and Martin Luther King's and Hitler's originate in Africa?

How would I know, I haven't had it tested, have you.

 

[viv1969]

I din't think they'd even managed to agree which species that skull came from (Neanderthal or Homo Erectus) let alone where it originated?

Apparently they're not too keen on further (more modern, sound) examination of either the skull or the caves either.

 

[Phil V]

How would I know, I haven't had it tested, have you.

I don't need mine testing, because when a scientist who is an expert in the field says that all the human DNA that has ever been tested can be traced back to Africa at a certain time, that's good enough for me. I'm quite a bright bloke, but I think it's a stretch to suggest I could set about learning how to decode DNA to prove the experts wrong.

Of course, that's different for you, you're an expert on everything.

 

[Cobra]

Apparently they're not too keen on further (more modern, sound) examination of either the skull or the caves either.

Excellent, the stuff conspiracy theories are made of

all the human DNA that has ever been tested can be traced back to Africa

So what are they hiding?

( as above )

 

[Phil V]

I've known many people (black and white) use it, before the world became so PC it was used all the time.

So lets find some 'evidence'
Urban Dictionary (not known for it's PC outlook)

OED - might be PC... but I'd suggest not, their job is to report word use not to police it

And the Yanks - it seems we all agree.

Except you and some of your friends

Of course. that's completely plausible, no-one else on this thread has heard it before, the dictionaries have missed it, but you know for a fact that you're right.

 

[boyfalldown]

Apparently they're not too keen on further (more modern, sound) examination of either the skull or the caves either.

They can't even agree who found it or when. It's not the strongest evidence ever

 

[dejongj]

'cause shagging a 12 year old is somehow so much more acceptable. Jeez. And that raising of the age of consent in the Vatican (from 12 years old). Happened in 2013

I do not think the two are comparable at all and rather disingenuous. Age of consent does not exclude someone from being a paedophiles like it is documented for the prophet Mohammed. Age of concent can remove the criminality out of what is a natural exploration by two young people. Other rules still apply.

 

[nilagin]

So lets find some 'evidence'
Urban Dictionary (not known for it's PC outlook)

OED - might be PC... but I'd suggest not, their job is to report word use not to police it

And the Yanks - it seems we all agree.

Except you and some of your friends

Of course. that's completely plausible, no-one else on this thread has heard it before, the dictionaries have missed it, but you know for a fact that you're right.

I never said friends. Where I previously worked for over 30yrs, around 80% of the workforce were Asian, West Indian or African descent, some got along some didn't, but it wasn't uncommon to hear them make such comments. As bright as you like to believe you are [QUOTE="Phil V, post: 7011402, member: 24798. I'm quite a bright bloke, [/QUOTE] you don't know everything nor can evidence of everything be found by searching the internet, sometimes you just have to witness it for yourself.

 

[simon ess]

I'm not very bright but I have been around the block a few times with a wide variety of people and I have never, ever, heard the phrase "knuckle draggers" used in a racial sense.

 

[Phil V]

I never said friends. Where I previously worked for over 30yrs, around 80% of the workforce were Asian, West Indian or African descent, some got along some didn't, but it wasn't uncommon to hear them make such comments. As bright as you like to believe you are [QUOTE="Phil V, post: 7011402, member: 24798. I'm quite a bright bloke,

you don't know everything nor can evidence of everything be found by searching the internet, sometimes you just have to witness it for yourself.[/QUOTE]

So you're suggesting I just have to trust your word for it?

Now then, if you were a straight up bloke who had a history of honesty and open mindedness...

But as it is (particularly as you misquoted me on purpose to point score)

I'll stick with not believing you.

 

[Laudrup]

so do you also condemn all the wars caused by Christianity (which also included a lot of rape and murder of innocents) including the actions of various Christian far right terrorist groups , and complete head cases like the LRA ?

I don't neccesarily disagree that attacking the innocent is wrong , but why single Islam out as the cause of it when its pretty much part of the human condition ?

Yes, but these wars or crusades were long ago and 'Christian terror groups' pale in comparison to the Islamic fundamentalists. If this was the 1930s we'd be talking about Roman Catholicism being dangerous with its anti-Semitism and aligning itself with fascists in Europe. But it is 2015 and we are talking about a religion and many followers that ultimately want a sharia governed state who think the best way to get it is through jihad. I'd resist that until the end.

 

[boyfalldown]

I do not think the two are comparable at all and rather disingenuous. Age of consent does not exclude someone from being a paedophiles like it is documented for the prophet Mohammed. Age of concent can remove the criminality out of what is a natural exploration by two young people. Other rules still apply.

It don't think it is. I think there is a good chance the 1,500 year old text is probably incomparable to today and to use it as a fact is unwise. Where as its will documented that the Vatican only changed its stance two years ago.

It also shows that Islam is far from the only religion to turn a blind eye to paedophilia.

 

[Cobra]

I have never, ever, heard the phrase "knuckle draggers" used in a racial sense.

Apart from this thread, I've only ever heard it used once before, by a biker friend after he returned from a bikers week-end
I guess he is biker-ist?

 

[nilagin]

you don't know everything nor can evidence of everything be found by searching the internet, sometimes you just have to witness it for yourself.

So you're suggesting I just have to trust your word for it?

Now then, if you were a straight up bloke who had a history of honesty and open mindedness...

But as it is (particularly as you misquoted me on purpose to point score)

I'll stick with not believing you.[/QUOTE]
Where did I misquote you? Do tell. I quoted your exact "blow your own trumpet even though their is no evidence of it other than your own say so" words.
Show me one point where I have lied and why would I have reason to lie about this?
For such a bright bloke (your words not mine) you do have a tendency to spout unfounded s***e as proved above.

 

[BRASH]

Apart from this thread, I've only ever heard it used once before, by a biker friend after he returned from a bikers week-end
I guess he is biker-ist?

Bikers tend to be that and smelly greasers too.

 

[Cobra]

Bikers tend to be that and smelly greasers too.

I thought it was wrong to stereo type skin heads,
but its OK to stereo type bikers?

 

[BRASH]

I thought it was wrong to stereo type skin heads,
but its OK to stereo type bikers?

Yes it is because they are.

 

[Cobra]

Yes it is because they are.

Just remember you said that when you kick off at someone that mentions "skin heads" then

 

[BRASH]

Just remember you said that when you kick off at someone that mentions "skin heads" then

FFS. Self deprecating humour. Did you forget I have a motorbike. Get with the show.

 

[Cobra]

Did you forget I have a motorbike

How / Why would I know, or why would I be interested that you have?

 

[nilagin]

I thought it was wrong to stereo type skin heads,
but its OK to stereo type bikers?

I used to look like a stereotypical biker. Never owned a motorbike though.

 

[BRASH]

How / Why would I know, or why would I be interested that you have?

I've posted pictures of it! Thought you might have seen some. Don't expect you to be interested tho and don't really care.

 

[Cobra]

I've posted pictures of it! Thought you might have seen some.

Sorry no, I don't "follow" you around

 

[BRASH]

Sorry no, I don't "follow" you around

You should, you might learn something.

 

[Phil V]

...
Where did I misquote you? Do tell. I quoted your exact "blow your own trumpet even though their is no evidence of it other than your own say so" words.
Show me one point where I have lied and why would I have reason to lie about this?
For such a bright bloke (your words not mine) you do have a tendency to spout unfounded s***e as proved above.

Well that'll do for a start, I said

?.. I'm quite a bright bloke, but I think it's a stretch to suggest I could set about learning how to decode DNA to prove the experts wrong.

I didn't have to try hard now did I

 

[Cobra]

You should, you might learn something.

 

[cambsno]

France has far higher numbers of refugees claiming asylum then we do. I'm interested as to what gates it will open. It doesn't set precedent at all. But I'm not saying let them in willy nilly. Those that have a genuine claim to asylum stay, those that don't receive any immediate medical care and get sent home.

BTW they are not breaking any laws

But don't we have a system in place for people to claim asylum? Surely if these people have a genuine reason they would go through the process and come into the country legally.

As regards to laws, the damage they cause to the lorries is surely illegal, and if they did manage to stow away and enter this country this is breaking the law.