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dejongj said:
Actually thinking a bit more about this, if foreign born students can't take an exam in their native language because it is too easy to get an A* then surely native English speaks can't take an exam in English as it is an easy route to an A* ;)
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and also as i said its b*****ks anyway - in order to get GCSE A* in a language exam you have to be able to translate flawlessly between x language and english , so someone who speaks say urdu flawlessly but has had to learn english is not at an advantage over anative english speaker who had to learn urdu (in fact given how difficult English is to learn the native english speaker is probably at an advantage)

I don't know whether alan smithers is a racist or not, but hes wrong/or being misquoted (for the reason outlined above)
 
Phil V said:
So we're happy to believe that a Russian invented an English word, because some far right websites say it.
Your disdain for edjukayshun really is the gift that keeps on giving:banana:
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As i said earlier it was coined in 1902 by an american - the far right websites are wrong (the other notable point is that Pratt is somewhat of a hypocrite as although he was denoucing racial segregation when he first used the word he is better known for his efforts to destroy red indian culture )
 
big soft moose said:
Daily mail hysteria - i'm guessing you arent with BF since they claim to be patriots who love their country
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I've never read the Daily Mail in my life, in fact I don't read tabloids at all and haven't done so for years. If you actually look at what I wrote is there any if that in dispute? They have all happened and will continue to happen in our 'lovely country'. Fact!!!!

You are right on one thing tho, I'm not with the BF, barely even heard of them before this thread.
 
EspressoJunkie said:
Yeah I did because it's a thread about Britain First. Who are a fascist anti-Muslim group. Where people like you blame all the things that are caused by EXTREMIST Muslims on a whole culture of ordinary decent people.
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Define 'people like you' please. I only ask because you evidently know sod all about me or have you seen my avatar and signature and stereotyped me? Dear dear. Somebody did mention ignorance I believe.
 
EspressoJunkie said:
Ah yes, of course all of which is caused by ordinary Muslim people and every asylum seeker and immigrant ever. No-one denies that extreme Islam is indeed a serious threat, but to go on a mass crusade against ordinary people, and others who are just seeking somewhere safe to live is just ridiculous. I can assure you I'd rather have Muslim neighbours than Britain First supporters any day.
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I wouldn't. I'd rather live near people who care about my country and preserving its heritage and traditions.
 
ST4 said:
I wouldn't. I'd rather live near people who care about my country and preserving its heritage and traditions.
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I'd like to live next door to you Steve;)
 
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EspressoJunkie said:
I've not judged you from your avatar at all. and I've no issue with Skinheads, I knew a few anti facist skins back in the day who were a lovely bunch.

I've judged you from your attitude in this thread.
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.....and I by yours.
 
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according to the telegraph (itself
BRASH said:
I've never read the Daily Mail in my life, in fact I don't read tabloids at all and haven't done so for years. If you actually look at what I wrote is there any if that in dispute? They have all happened and will continue to happen in our 'lovely country'. Fact!!!!

You are right on one thing tho, I'm not with the BF, barely even heard of them before this thread.
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its not remotely a fact i'm afraid - its rightwing hyperbole

one terrorist bombing in 2007 (one bus and 3 tube trains) - doesn't constitute "bombs exploding on our busses" as though thats a regular occurrence - also the IRA did far more but you don't see BF campaigniing for irish imigrants to be expelled

One beheading - again hardly a regular thing

The predominant race of paedophiles in the UK is White British -- hardly relevant to the 'muslim menace'

and so forth - hyperbole and b******t put about to disguise racism and xenophobia as something more noble
 
With reference to prof smithers a more reasoned account of his interview (in the telgraph, itself hardly left wing) shows that actually hes not talking about evil imigrants taking advantage of our education system (which is how BF spin his remarks) , what hes actually saying is that in his opinion schools are being lazy to bump grades

“Some schools have been entering large numbers of students from other countries to sit exams in what is essentially their mother tongue.“The Government produces performance measures on how the school has done and this is available on their websites for parents thinking to choose that school.
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I'm not sure he's right , but even if he is his remarks are not as britain first are portraying them to be
 
big soft moose said:
according to the telegraph (itself


its not remotely a fact i'm afraid - its rightwing hyperbole

one terrorist bombing in 2007 (one bus and 3 tube trains) - doesn't constitute "bombs exploding on our busses" as though thats a regular occurrence - also the IRA did far more but you don't see BF campaigniing for irish imigrants to be expelled

One beheading - again hardly a regular thing

The predominant race of paedophiles in the UK is White British -- hardly relevant to the 'muslim menace'

and so forth - hyperbole and b******t put about to disguise racism and xenophobia as something more noble
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Again Muslims are mentioned. I never said anything about them nor did I mention any specifics, merely that these things have happened and will likely happen again. As usual tho in you own inimitable way you twist things round to make it look like you have a clue what you are talking about and everybody else is wrong. Keep your head stuck securely in the sand, it'll perhaps save it from being lopped off.
 
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ST4 said:
Rotherham?
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so because one gang of paedophiles were islamic all muslims are paedophiles ?

Ian Huntley, Brady and Hindley, and Robert Black (and many others) were all white british, does that imply that every white british person is also a child killer ?
 
dejongj said:
The point was about the disingenuous presentation if I am not mistaken. I mean why the big deal if pupils want to do a language exam in their native tongue? It is a non-issue, there is no need to make capital from it, people will interpret it totally wrongly. It is presented like the schools are teaching in their native language and the exams have been translated into their native language. If it is then that is not good, but I don't think that is what is happening at all.
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If anything BSM presented it disingenuously. It doesn't seem too fair if there is an easier route for some migrant pupils that is openly exploited than others does it?
 
BRASH said:
Again Muslims are mentioned. I never said anything about them nor did I mention any specifics, merely that these things have happened and will likely happen again. As usual tho in you own inimitable way you twist things round to make it look like you have a clue what you are talking about and everybody else is wrong. Keep your head stuck securely in the sand, it'll perhaps save it from being lopped off.
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BF, which is what we are discussing, regularly blame all societies ills on islam - if you took their hate filled diatribes and replaced the word muslim with the word jew you'd be back in the good old days of the third reich.

and its not that I alone am right and everyone else is wrong, its that the tiny minority who think that fascism and xenophobia are a good thing are wrong, while everyone else is right
 
BRASH said:
Again Muslims are mentioned. I never said anything about them nor did I mention any specifics, merely that these things have happened and will likely happen again. As usual tho in you own inimitable way you twist things round to make it look like you have a clue what you are talking about and everybody else is wrong. Keep your head stuck securely in the sand, it'll perhaps save it from being lopped off.
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Never? I seem to remember you joining in previous threads on this topic with both feet....
 
Rapscallion said:
Never? I seem to remember you joining in previous threads on this topic with both feet....
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Do you really. Well that may well be the case but the conversation was relating to comments on this thread. Keep up.
 
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Laudrup said:
If anything BSM presented it disingenuously. It doesn't seem too fair if there is an easier route for some migrant pupils that is openly exploited than others does it?
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but as i said above even prof smithers wasnt actually saying that - he was saying that schools are pushing these pupils into qualifications that get easy grades,- which he also described as 'often educationally irrelevant'
 
dejongj said:
Actually thinking a bit more about this, if foreign born students can't take an exam in their native language because it is too easy to get an A* then surely native English speaks can't take an exam in English as it is an easy route to an A* ;)
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Well no because the subjects and exams are different in terms of breadth and difficulty.
 
big soft moose said:
so because one gang of paedophiles were islamic all muslims are paedophiles ?

Ian Huntley, Brady and Hindley, and Robert Black (and many others) were all white british, does that imply that every white british person is also a child killer ?
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I don't know... but right now I'd be happy to have any tory who served in the 70's be put down 'just in case'.

And for 'the hard of thinking' this is clearly a joke, I do not condone state sponsored violence.
 
big soft moose said:
BF, which is what we are discussing, regularly blame all societies ills on islam - if you took their hate filled diatribes and replaced the word muslim with the word jew you'd be back in the good old days of the third reich.

and its not that I alone am right and everyone else is wrong, its that the tiny minority who think that fascism and xenophobia are a good thing are wrong, while everyone else is right
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I've said nothing in support of fascism, racism or xenophobia as far as I can make out.
 
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Phil V said:
I don't know... but right now I'd be happy to have any tory who served in the 70's be put down 'just in case'.

And for 'the hard of thinking' this is clearly a joke, I do not condone state sponsored violence.
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The point i was making is the logic that says 19 muslims in Rotheram are paedophiles therefore muslims are paedophiles, could also say Ian Huntley was a white male paedophile, steve is a white male so therefore he must be a paedophile too

The logic is stupid, simplistic , and deeply flawed

Some asians are paedophiles , some English people are paedophiles, but neither group are paedophiles because of their ethnicity or religion
 
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Laudrup said:
If anything BSM presented it disingenuously. It doesn't seem too fair if there is an easier route for some migrant pupils that is openly exploited than others does it?
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????? What is stopping your parents from giving you and advantage with certain topics.

And what is the easier route anyway?
 
ST4 said:
Wasn't Mohammed a P**** with a child bride?
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No more than Jesus' mum was. Why do you think the texts describe her as a Virgin - it's because she was pre-pubescent.

But I forget - your bible knowledge isn't as polished as your 'Christianity' status leads us to believe.
 
Laudrup said:
Well no because the subjects and exams are different in terms of breadth and difficulty.
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Well if that is true that is a whole different issue. It shouldn't be in my opinion. Heck that is then why so many Brits are s*** at other languages.
 
BRASH said:
I've said nothing in support of fascism, racism or xenophobia as far as I can make out.
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But Britain first do on a regular basis
 
big soft moose said:
BF, which is what we are discussing, regularly blame all societies ills on islam - if you took their hate filled diatribes and replaced the word muslim with the word jew you'd be back in the good old days of the third reich.

and its not that I alone am right and everyone else is wrong, its that the tiny minority who think that fascism and xenophobia are a good thing are wrong, while everyone else is right
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Interesting article here where a journalist took some nazi quotes, swopped 'Jew' for 'migrant', and posted the quote into daily mail comments. The number of likes is alarming...

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Quite

I'm done with this thread now - arguing with extremists is pointless, and expecting them to grasp the tenets of logical thought is as Hugh is fond of saying like playing chess with a pigeon
 
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