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Great News: Schoolgirl Megan Stammers, who went missing with teacher Jeremy Forrest, has been found in France at 12.15 UK time today, Still Breaking News :clap:
 
Good news that she has been found safe. But I think the media has overhyped this particular story so glad to see it coming to safe conclusion.
 
Personally I didn't think her real safety was in any danger. I think the teacher is in a world of **** now, whereas she has had a school-girl crush and a running away adventure.
 
johnnypanic said:
Good news that she has been found safe. But I think the media has overhyped this particular story so glad to see it coming to safe conclusion.
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IMO I don't think there was an issue with her safety, it's not right by any means and if it was my daughter I would be pulling what hair I have, out !!!

I think the word 'child abduction' is a little harsh in this case.

A 15 year age gap is nothing now days, it's the fact she is 15 and he is a teacher, a person put in a position of trust !!!

I would not be surprised if their relationship continued if he is not picking up soap at her majesty's pleasure of course !
 
This is always the problem with this type of situation, while it may legally be classed as child abduction due to her age, it is obvious she went willingly and was not actually "abducted"

But as said, he is in for a world of pain now, no job, being put on the sex offenders register, and little hope of finding a new job................ all for the sake of a fling with a 15 year old, had he waited less than a year he would legally have been fine (but still quite morally wrong in any book)
 
Am I the only one who wanted them to make a go of it and not get caught?
 
rpsmith79 said:
had he waited less than a year he would legally have been fine (but still quite morally wrong in any book)
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He would have had to wait until she was eighteen in this case. A teacher cannot have a relationship with a pupil under his/her care if she/he is under eighteen. I don't know if a teacher can even have a relationship with a pupil from another school.

The whole age of consent thing has been skewed in this country since before I was old enough (not yesterday). Marriage in Scotland at sixteen, smoking was sixteen but is now eighteen. Drink at eighteen, or perhaps fourteen if with a meal when accompanied by parents. Taxable (theoretically) at sixteen. Driving at seventeen.

So, you can get married and consummate it at sixteen, but you can't drive off on honeymoon, you can't drink to celebrate (or have a cigar) and you can't watch a film depicting that which you can do with your wife three times a day. You can go off in the Army and put your life on the line but you can't vote for those who would send you to your death.

No wonder life as a teenager is confusing!:lol:
 
rpsmith79 said:
This is always the problem with this type of situation, while it may legally be classed as child abduction due to her age, it is obvious she went willingly and was not actually "abducted"

But as said, he is in for a world of pain now, no job, being put on the sex offenders register, and little hope of finding a new job................ all for the sake of a fling with a 15 year old, had he waited less than a year he would legally have been fine (but still quite morally wrong in any book)
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technically not..

" Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the abuse of a position of trust is a criminal offence
The age of consent for sexual intercourse is ordinarily 16, but this does not apply under this Act
Instead, a person over the age of 18, who is in a position of trust over a person under 18, commits a criminal offence if they involve the younger person in sexual activity"

still think its been blown out of proportion though.
 
his career and life is pretty much in the crapper now,

she'll get a boyfriend her own age and maybe sell her story

He'll get divorced, a criminal record, an entry in the Big Book Of Kiddy Fiddlers and his own personal collection of papparazi following him about
 
The only thing that really perplexes me in all this is how a thirty year-old married 'professional' didn't think this though to some degree of conclusion at least. A first-year kid at his school with a modicum of common sense could have summarised exactly how this was going to pan out. Is this the level of intellect we have teaching some of the nations youth these days?:thinking:
 
FourRingCircus said:
The only thing that really perplexes me in all this is how a thirty year-old married 'professional' didn't think this though to some degree of conclusion at least. A first-year kid at his school with a modicum of common sense could have summarised exactly how this was going to pan out. Is this the level of intellect we have teaching some of the nations youth these days?:thinking:
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love (if it was love) makes people do odd things..?
 
Bad situation all round and the parents may be entering a new world of hurt. The little girl they thought they knew had a secret. All kids have secrets, but that is big one that destroys trust. A lot of healing needs to be done there.

Teacher is a fool. Needs to learn some self control which should have been exercised before his feelings got out of hand. He should have recognised the danger. Looks like he will pay dearly.
 
FourRingCircus said:
He would have had to wait until she was eighteen in this case. A teacher cannot have a relationship with a pupil under his/her care if she/he is under eighteen. I don't know if a teacher can even have a relationship with a pupil from another school.

The whole age of consent thing has been skewed in this country since before I was old enough (not yesterday). Marriage in Scotland at sixteen, smoking was sixteen but is now eighteen. Drink at eighteen, or perhaps fourteen if with a meal when accompanied by parents. Taxable (theoretically) at sixteen. Driving at seventeen.

So, you can get married and consummate it at sixteen, but you can't drive off on honeymoon, you can't drink to celebrate (or have a cigar) and you can't watch a film depicting that which you can do with your wife three times a day. You can go off in the Army and put your life on the line but you can't vote for those who would send you to your death.

No wonder life as a teenager is confusing!:lol:
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neil_g said:
technically not..

" Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the abuse of a position of trust is a criminal offence
The age of consent for sexual intercourse is ordinarily 16, but this does not apply under this Act
Instead, a person over the age of 18, who is in a position of trust over a person under 18, commits a criminal offence if they involve the younger person in sexual activity"

still think its been blown out of proportion though.
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Like you say, no wonder the teenagers of this day and age are confused, even i'm confused :lol:
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
Am I the only one who wanted them to make a go of it and not get caught?
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Was never going to happen though was it..
Like has been said, if he kept it in his pants until she was 16 (or 18 maybe), they could have lived hapilly ever after..
Now he is screwed for life, lost his wife, his familly, his job and his dignity and gained a criminal record and a massive reputation.

Silly man really. I met my now wife when she was 15 and I was 17.. Technically illegal, but we have now been together for 12 years and married for 2.
 
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Not the time to jump to conclusions. He's been arrested for child abduction only, not having sex with her.
Child abduction is simply taking a child (which she is) out of the UK without all those with parental responsibility's consent.
It's a common offence, albeit usually committed by one or other of a child's parents.
As for any sexual offence, as things stand there's no evidence of that happening either way, so why not wait until he's been convicted?
Even if they have been having rumpy pumpy, if neither of them admit it, and she declines a medical examination, thats going no where.
 
I dont care if they did or didnt and I never said they did or didnt.. What Im saying is this whole episode will have been driven by lust..
Lust in a man tends to stem from a certain area.. If he had kept it at bay, then they would both still be going about thier daily lives unnoticed..

His todger got the better of him, and now he will be paying the price.
 
stu_the_flat said:
Its his wife that I feel sorry for.
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Did you see the picture of his wife? She's very young-looking for her age, looks nearer a teenager than a 30-year old...
 
neil_g said:
will it?
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More than likley yes.
Love is a lot more rational than lust, though the two can become very close to eachother.
If he truely "loved" her, he would have waited until everthing was legal, and not make a stupid rash decsion which will now split them apart, and also split him and his wife apart..

He wasnt rational, he was living in the moment, and made lots of stupid desicions.. Which is usually caused by lust.
 
Hanging around in France & trying to get a job in a bar wasn't the smartest idea, if you're trying not to get caught! :shrug:
 
Comfortably Numb said:
Hanging around in France & trying to get a job in a bar wasn't the smartest idea, if you're trying not to get caught! :shrug:
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Based on his previous actions I wouldn't have pegged him as the sharpest knife in the drawer... ;)
 
malo50 said:
Yes
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He's in a trusted, professional position - regardless of age, he has abused his position. (also regardless of him being a male, other way round also applies)
She's underage - regardless of age, or how 'grown up' they can appear at times, she is legally a child.
Got to be boundaries, surely....??

Feel sorry for the guys missus tbh.
 
SnappyHappy said:
He's in a trusted, professional position - regardless of age, he has abused his position. (also regardless of him being a male, other way round also applies)
She's underage - regardless of age, or how 'grown up' they can appear at times, she is legally a child.
Got to be boundaries, surely....??

Feel sorry for the guys missus tbh.
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I understand that, I was replying to someone who asked if he was the only one who wished them good luck. I replied "yes" because I think he's probably the only one who wishes them good luck.
 
No sorry, i knew you were, i quoted badly, and meant to quote the other person ;)
 
Apparently it was all a big mistake, according to his iPhone 5 map they were supposed to be in Basingstoke...
 
What I don't quite understand is that in all the early reports about this story, her parents became concerned when they did not use their RETURN tickets from France.
Should they not have been worried about her going in the first place.

I guess there is going to be some technical legal term, but I don't think there was 1 oz of abduction here, I know the legal eagles will say/think different.


Also there is a lot of "he did this and he did that" we have no idea how much the girl chased after him or how persuasive she maybe, too quick to blame the dirty old man before the facts have come out.
 
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I guess there is going to be some technical legal term, but I don't think there was 1 oz of abduction here, I know the legal eagles will say/think different.
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Your second point is correct. The girl is, in legal terms a child, and therefore in order for her to go out of the country, all those who have parental responsibility must consent to it. That doesn't always mean the birth parents, it can be step parents or anyone that has acquired it by agreement or court order.
If any of those that hold parental responsibility do not consent then taking the child out of the UK is abduction. The consent of the child is not relevant.
Ok, granted, we have an image of abduction of being against the abductee's consent, but in child abduction cases that doesn't apply.
The law exists primarily to prevent, for example an Egyptian father taking the child of a woman from the UK to live in Egypt, and is the UK's response to the Hague Convention.
So, while, yep, I see your point, it's obvious she consented to going and was acting of her own free will, he still commits the offence of child abduction, as she cannot consent to it in law.
 
malo50 said:
I understand that, I was replying to someone who asked if he was the only one who wished them good luck. I replied "yes" because I think he's probably the only one who wishes them good luck.
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Well, you can add me to the list and that makes two of us, anyway.
 
neil_g said:
i know its a little different a being a teacher but young girls 15+ have been in relationships with 20-30+ men for years. certainly a few girls when i was at school were seeing 30 year olds etc, its nothing new really.

maybe i should say attraction makes people do odd things..
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It's very different being a teacher.
 
It is a strange case and I do think that sometimes their feeling need to play some part in the end result of what is going to happen to them.

At my high school, there were two teachers who were dating former pupils (both were 18 and had left school) but they probably were dating when they were pupils. I know one of the couples is still together....(30 years at least) so things can be for love. A bit like a crime of passion.
 
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