Boston Explosions

archamedes said:
All I have to say about that is… how convenient?

The FBI released photos of Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Dzhokar Tsarnaev aka Suspect #1 and Suspect #2 as seen at the Boston Marathon finish line. The two brothers, we are being told, were behind the Boston Marathon Bombings on April 15, 2013. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was conveniently killed during a shootout in Watertown, Massachusetts and soon enough, I’m pretty sure we’ll hear the news of Dzhokar Tsarnaev having been somehow silenced too, every American will accept that the Boston Bombers are dead and will once again, feel safe knowing the police have taken care of the bad guys.

I can’t help but ponder, though…

You know the official press photo of a mangled pressure cooker the media tells us was the explosive device that killed and maimed the people in Boston? We are told that the pressure cooker was packed with nails and ball bearings yet… there are no holes in the pressure cooker. Surely the explosion, propelling all those ball bearings and nails flying through the cooker and out in every direction would have created holes, no? But there are no such holes nor shrapnel adhered to the walls of the cooker in the official press photo.

Why are Boston police stonewalling the reports that a drill was taking place, which was overheard by many people, such as a college track coach Alastair Stevenson? Why is there no follow up on the tweet by the Boston Globe that the bomb squad was about to detonate a device in a controlled explosion near the JFK Library a mile away from the Marathon? Why are they now saying that there was no bomb at the library, that it was just a small fire?

Why did Abdul Rhaman Ali Alharbi – a Saudi national first declared a suspect, then downgraded to a “person of interest” have his travel visa revoked and was deported back to Saudi Arabia on the heels of an unscheduled meeting between Obama and the Saudi foreign minister at the White House?

Why is the FBI attempting to blacklist photos which show contractors of a private military organization called Craft wearing heavy backpacks and appearing to take part in the drill at the Boston Marathon? At least one of them was carrying a radiation detector. What for? Also – these pros don’t work for free. Who hired them? Why were they there? And why major media aren’t discussing any of it?

One of the alleged Boston bombing suspects is dead and the other one is on the loose and said to be “armed and dangerous”. FBI warned residents of Watertown with a message that:

"There is a terrorist on the loose who wants to kill people – do not open your door!"

The suspects are Chechens, which itself raises further questions – why would Chechens want to carry out acts of terrorism against America, their primary sponsor and benefactor in war against Russia? Chechens got nothing but **** loads of money and weapons from the USA and even now their mercenaries fighting alongside the FSA are receiving the same. Like they do now with Syria, mainstream media told us Chechens were freedom fighters looking for peace from oppressive Russian regime. Why would they go through lengths fighting the hand that feeds them?
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It's far more likely that it's two ****ed off Chechens rather than thousands of people hushing up a conspiracy.
 
archamedes said:
The suspects are Chechens, which itself raises further questions – why would Chechens want to carry out acts of terrorism against America, their primary sponsor and benefactor in war against Russia? Chechens got nothing but **** loads of money and weapons from the USA and even now their mercenaries fighting alongside the FSA are receiving the same. Like they do now with Syria, mainstream media told us Chechens were freedom fighters looking for peace from oppressive Russian regime. Why would they go through lengths fighting the hand that feeds them?
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your 'facts' are way off base - america has never supported the chchens with a s***load of arms and money - the chechen opposition to to russia is funded largely through the proceeds of organised crime, and also from islamic brothers in arms such as iran, al queada. taliban etc (and individual saudi billionaires)

also the mainstream media has never told us anything of the sort about the chechens - remember when they occupied that school a few years back - plus blew up tower blocks in moscow .

as to why they would attack america - probably its payback to those brothers in arms, and because extremist islamists see america as 'the great satan'

and the reason the mainstream media arent discussing the conspiracy theory is because is puerile halfwitted cobblers with no grounding in reality
 
Ricardodaforce said:
People love conspiracy theories!
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Yes, it's like wrestling - the fans know it's a load of [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] but get something from it regardless. I've never been able to work it out.
 
I was about to get very angry about the bull these conspiracy people make up, but its not worth the effort, they live in their own little world.

Maybe the "undercover security forces" were just that.. Under cover security for the event. Did you actually think of that?
So they were wearing a certain type of clothing.. I frequently wear British Army clothing, doesn't make me a soldier.

Just live with the fact two people planted some bombs.. No conspiracy, no secret government plots, no stealth forces, no international hustling...

Two people....
 
NBC just reported "Body found in boat" near the Charles River in Watertown, after another firefight.
No identification of the body yet.

ETA: Person in boat is still alive. Police cautious in case it's the suspect, and he has explosives.

ETA2: Here's the boat in a back yard.
 
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They've just got the 2nd suspect into custody. Hopefully the police can begin to establish so facts and find some answers for all those involved.

An ambulance is on scene, apparently for the suspect.
 
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TriggerHappy said:
They've just got the 2nd suspect into custody. Hopefully the police can begin to establish so facts and find some answers for all those involved.

An ambulance is on scene, apparently for the suspect.
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I'm listening to music rather than watching TV but if they've got the 2nd fella lets hope they speak to him and find out what on earth motivated them.
 
dinners said:
I'm listening to music rather than watching TV but if they've got the 2nd fella lets hope they speak to him and find out what on earth motivated them.
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Hatred and jealousy. Its what motivates them all.
 
It all makes sense now, the long ranting conspiracy theory posted above is almost taken word for word from Alex Jones: http://www.infowars.com/
 
Just glad that this is now all over and life can return to normality. I am amazed at the extensive and continuous coverage of this. Yes, it's a tragic and cowardly act committed by the two but these type of events happen virtually every day across the world, in places where innocent people gather and suffer horrendously more loss of life and injury but yet their stories will never be see the light of day.
 
ukaskew said:
It all makes sense now, the long ranting conspiracy theory posted above is almost taken word for word from Alex Jones: http://www.infowars.com/
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somewhat strange that on page 2 archamedes is refering to alex jones as a laughable joke of a man, then a page later posting his theory as if it is his own :thinking:
 
Grayman said:
Very little mention of this...

http://worldobserveronline.com/2013/04/17/us-bomb-kills-30-afghan-wedding/

Tragic as the Boston bombings are, the coverage is very disproportionate in relation to other attacks across the world.
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To be honest, that very event came into my mind as soon as I heard about the Boston bombings. Like many I had assumed (maybe wrongly) it was linked to America's way of dealing with the Islamic world, but I thought it wasn't appropriate to talk about these wider issues at the time.
 
I doubt there is any linkage between the two events, my 'issue' is the proportionality of coverage given. I do think it's appropriate to discuss such 'wider issues' though...no doubt we would have if it had been any other country other than the US.
 
while both are horrific the comparison is flawed as the afghan incident was essentially an accident - there is no suggestion that the coalition planes deliberately set out to target civillians (indeed the RoE specifically and extensively forbid this), wheras there is no suggestion that boston was anything other than a deliberate act

had the terrorists in boston intended to stike a military target, but accidentally denotated their bombs in the wrong place the comparison might be more valid, but there is no indication that this was the case
 
big soft moose said:
while both are horrific the comparison is flawed as the afghan incident was essentially an accident - there is no suggestion that the coalition planes deliberately set out to target civillians (indeed the RoE specifically and extensively forbid this), wheras there is no suggestion that boston was anything other than a deliberate act

had the terrorists in boston intended to stike a military target, but accidentally denotated their bombs in the wrong place the comparison might be more valid, but there is no indication that this was the case
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The initial point raised was about the disproportionate coverage given to this though. Are we saying that just because those 30 killed innocents were from a distant land, their untimely and horrific demise just isn't worth our airtime? I do think it's reasonable to question this.
Over the past few days the normally excellent CNN International has been almost replaced by the vastly inferior CNN with blanket coverage of the events in Boston. And it does beg the question, is nothing else happening in the world?
 
I bet capturing the fella alive has wrong-footed a few of the conspiracy theorists.

...or was that all part of the cunning NWO plan - a classic "Big-Bird-bluff" move which never fails to fool the sheeple (remember <impressive sounding event & date>? Etc etc etc ad nauseum).

*dribble* :p
 
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Laudrup said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html

Looks like that happened 11 years ago?
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Yea, that is strange - the stories are identical in every detail. :thinking:

E.g. this paragraph appears in both:

The bombing happened today in a village in the rugged, mountainous region 175 km (105 miles) northeast of the southern city of Kandahar, residents said
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Looks like they got their stories mixed up. Have any (reputable) news agencies reported anything similar recently?

Edit: All I can find is this (tragic) story, but it was Iraq not Aghanistan, and militant car bombs not "Western Warplanes". :thinking:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22149863
 
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archamedes said:
All I have to say about that is&hellip; how convenient?

The FBI released photos of Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Dzhokar Tsarnaev aka Suspect #1 and Suspect #2 as seen at the Boston Marathon finish line. The two brothers, we are being told, were behind the Boston Marathon Bombings on April 15, 2013. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was conveniently killed during a shootout in Watertown, Massachusetts and soon enough, I&rsquo;m pretty sure we&rsquo;ll hear the news of Dzhokar Tsarnaev having been somehow silenced too, every American will accept that the Boston Bombers are dead and will once again, feel safe knowing the police have taken care of the bad guys.

I can&rsquo;t help but ponder, though&hellip;

You know the official press photo of a mangled pressure cooker the media tells us was the explosive device that killed and maimed the people in Boston? We are told that the pressure cooker was packed with nails and ball bearings yet&hellip; there are no holes in the pressure cooker. Surely the explosion, propelling all those ball bearings and nails flying through the cooker and out in every direction would have created holes, no? But there are no such holes nor shrapnel adhered to the walls of the cooker in the official press photo.

Why are Boston police stonewalling the reports that a drill was taking place, which was overheard by many people, such as a college track coach Alastair Stevenson? Why is there no follow up on the tweet by the Boston Globe that the bomb squad was about to detonate a device in a controlled explosion near the JFK Library a mile away from the Marathon? Why are they now saying that there was no bomb at the library, that it was just a small fire?

Why did Abdul Rhaman Ali Alharbi &ndash; a Saudi national first declared a suspect, then downgraded to a &ldquo;person of interest&rdquo; have his travel visa revoked and was deported back to Saudi Arabia on the heels of an unscheduled meeting between Obama and the Saudi foreign minister at the White House?

Why is the FBI attempting to blacklist photos which show contractors of a private military organization called Craft wearing heavy backpacks and appearing to take part in the drill at the Boston Marathon? At least one of them was carrying a radiation detector. What for? Also &ndash; these pros don&rsquo;t work for free. Who hired them? Why were they there? And why major media aren&rsquo;t discussing any of it?

One of the alleged Boston bombing suspects is dead and the other one is on the loose and said to be &ldquo;armed and dangerous&rdquo;. FBI warned residents of Watertown with a message that:

"There is a terrorist on the loose who wants to kill people &ndash; do not open your door!"

The suspects are Chechens, which itself raises further questions &ndash; why would Chechens want to carry out acts of terrorism against America, their primary sponsor and benefactor in war against Russia? Chechens got nothing but **** loads of money and weapons from the USA and even now their mercenaries fighting alongside the FSA are receiving the same. Like they do now with Syria, mainstream media told us Chechens were freedom fighters looking for peace from oppressive Russian regime. Why would they go through lengths fighting the hand that feeds them?
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Well, if these two are innocent, it doesn't really explain their furious running gun battles with police does it?
 
I saw an interesting comment on another Forum, along the lines of,....cast your minds back to the 70's and 80's when the IRA where killing innocent civilians by bombing several English cities, whilst the good people of US cities were donating funds to the IRA, "for the good ol' freedom fighters in the old country". Not so romantic now, is it ?
 
Oh Bluehawk, don't you realise that Terrorism wasn't invented until September 2001?

Unfortunately the US have that romantic notion that Irish Republicanism was conducted by Nuns and Priests, fighting in the same way Washington did against British rule.

The very idea that a united Ireland was a minority view in the North wouldn't have occurred to them. It's a shame as their conduct during the 70's and 80's really showed up the ignorance of so many americans about the rest of the planet.
 
Gr8Shot said:
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
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Or perhaps just a c**t?

I'd describe the Boston bombers as c**ts personally.
 
tiler65 said:
A bit like Mandela then?
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What did he bomb?

Of course, if you're referring to his "anti-apartheid crimes", then that's open to personal opinion.
 
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big soft moose said:
your 'facts' are way off base - america has never supported the chchens with a s***load of arms and money - the chechen opposition to to russia is funded largely through the proceeds of organised crime, and also from islamic brothers in arms such as iran, al queada. taliban etc (and individual saudi billionaires)
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Sorry, you are way off with Iran, because the Sunni extremists are killing Iranians in the border areas - civilians, politicians and members of the IRG.
This is a branch of Sunni Islam, and the funding comes from Saudi Arabia, and most probably powerful people in Pakistan.
Iran gets help from Russia with its nuclear programme, so would not do anything to jeopardise that with any contact with Chechen extremists.
 
Has anyone seen the footage of them capturing the last bloke
Chucking loads of flash bangs and then alot of automatic fire
All for one man

Seems strange for someone already laying injured
 
brad131987 said:
Has anyone seen the footage of them capturing the last bloke
Chucking loads of flash bangs and then alot of automatic fire
All for one man

Seems strange for someone already laying injured
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That is the way they do things over there. It is always "overkill", done without thinking. Once the suspect stops moving, they move in.
Mind you, on this occasion I don't blame them.
 
brad131987 said:
Has anyone seen the footage of them capturing the last bloke
Chucking loads of flash bangs and then alot of automatic fire
All for one man

Seems strange for someone already laying injured
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He was/is suspected of killing and injuring multiple people, including police officers. They therefore had good reason to think he might be dangerous.

He may already have been injured, but do you think that they really knew that he was incapable of hurting or killing them?

What do you think YOU would have done in that situation, with the knowledge that the police/FBI/etc had at that time?
 
They could have just waited for him to give up
Yeah I know its hard but now they have made him incapable of talking
So they might as well of killed him
 
He would not have given up, like many others he'd have killed himself, giving the police no chance of questioning him.
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