Borrowed a camera - images printed in The Independent and The Metro

[themartin]

Result!

I took a few pictures for an event I was at, and got them printed in the papers and featured on their site.

They were uploaded to Picasa and were used from there.

To be honest, I am fairly stoked just to get them in print at all, but wondering what the chances of getting some actual money for them?

Did I scupper myself by putting them on Picasa?

cheers

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ohn-ogroats-and-back-lejogle-bid-8557151.html link to story and picture

 

[Tugster]

Absolutely no chance !

 

[Gary Coyle]

Why do people use there image sharing services without reading the terms and conditions

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[Dave *]

Why do people use there image sharing services without reading the terms and conditions

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How does hosting on Picasa (and giving Google limited rights to use an image) mean that it was lawful for the Independent to take and use the image?

 

[DemiLion]

How does hosting on Picasa (and giving Google limited rights to use an image) mean that it was lawful for the Independent to take and use the image?

It doesn't, but considering that the Inde hardly ever bothers to pay full time press photographers for spec shots, I'll give you two guesses as to what's likely to happen in this case!

 

[DizMatt]

the images in the in the public domain but I don't see how an organisation can use them FOC for commercial purposes

 

[MWHCVT]

Why do people use there image sharing services without reading the terms and conditions

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I'm sorry I'm not seeing where in there is says google has the right to sell or give away a photo a user has uploaded?

 

[MWHCVT]

It doesn't, but considering that the Inde hardly ever bothers to pay full time press photographers for spec shots, I'll give you two guesses as to what's likely to happen in this case!

Now that is another thing and rather disgraceful photographers deserve to be paid, I'm not a press or any other type of photographer who is going to submit to the press but I'd expect a proper payout if I were

 

[Gary Coyle]

Here ya go

Why do people use there image sharing services without reading the terms and conditions

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[Gary Coyle]

Now that is another thing and rather disgraceful photographers deserve to be paid, I'm not a press or any other type of photographer who is going to submit to the press but I'd expect a proper payout if I were

Photographers themselves are there own worst enemies in this matter, not the working pros but the uneducated wannabees

 

[Dave *]

Here ya go

You can't just take 3 words out of context, the licence is more to do with them using the images on Google sites.

The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones.

None of that allows Google to sell the images or even to be used outside of Google sites for any reason, and I'm pretty sure that isn't what happened, more likely just mined off the net by a researcher working for the Independent.

 

[DemiLion]

Photographers themselves are there own worst enemies in this matter, not the working pros but the uneducated wannabees

When it comes to the Inde, it's across the board!


9-12 months isn't uncommon!

 

[themartin]

so should I luck out again and get a decent pic, how would I upload it for perusal without losing my rights to it?

a separate folder on my website?

cheers

 

[Dave *]

so should I luck out again and get a decent pic, how would I upload it for perusal without losing my rights to it?

a separate folder on my website?

cheers

As has been suggested many times in the past, if you don't want an image stolen and feel it has value in future usage, only post very low resolution images with large watermarks across them.

If you post on the net people will always try their luck with taking them.

 

[whitey]

Stick a copyright URL across the middle of it to, its may take some of the quality away but it stops it being nicked

Agree with what Gary said earlier as harsh as it may sound

 

[purpleclouds]

Here ya go

Gary the sentence after explicitly states those conditions only relate to Google and are what it requires to operate. No where does it mention the right to distribute to third parties. If you upload a picture, text, video.. anything to a 'sharing' service then the pictures MUST be 'distributed' in order to fulfil the service of 'sharing'.

 

[Dave *]

Gary the sentence after explicitly states those conditions only relate to Google and are what it requires to operate. No where does it mention the right to distribute to third parties. If you upload a picture, text, video.. anything to a 'sharing' service then the pictures MUST be 'distributed' in order to fulfil the service of 'sharing'.

Hopefully he realises his mistake, it did make his next comment about "uneducated wannabes" unintentionally humorous though .

 

[big soft moose]

Stick a copyright URL across the middle of it to, its may take some of the quality away but it stops it being nicked

strictly speaking nothing stops it being nicked - you can make it less desirable, but many photos with watermarks are nicked, and reused with the watermark still present

 

[Dave *]

strictly speaking nothing stops it being nicked - you can make it less desirable, but many photos with watermarks are nicked, and reused with the watermark still present

But a lot less likely as a picture in the Independent though

 

[whitey]

strictly speaking nothing stops it being nicked - you can make it less desirable, but many photos with watermarks are nicked, and reused with the watermark still present

maybe true but if the watermark stands out it wont or would less likely end up in the papers

 

[Gary Coyle]

Gary the sentence after explicitly states those conditions only relate to Google and are what it requires to operate. No where does it mention the right to distribute to third parties. If you upload a picture, text, video.. anything to a 'sharing' service then the pictures MUST be 'distributed' in order to fulfil the service of 'sharing'.

Not really Phil, it appears that Picasa, Flickr and others have massive grey areas when it comes to their terms and conditions.

and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones

How does anyone quantify the promotion and improvement of Picasas services, im sure Picasa will argue that the distribution of photos to the media is a way of promoting themselves and is a way of developing a "new service" ie a media distribution service.

How you doing anyway, not seen you since the GF last year.

 

[Gary Coyle]

Is it possible that Picasa have nothing to do with the whole issue and someone else has just downloaded the image and sent it onto the papers