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Ah right, so were both in agreement that your opening post was pointless then.
Bodies aside, are Canon beating Nikon with lenses?
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The Canon gas miser was a very nice fire though
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that was a Cannon 
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Both companies make some very nice lenses, and some crappy ones too.
Stop worrying about it. Buy the best available for whatever camera you have by all means, but seriously... Nikon vs. Canon again?
Stop worrying about it. Buy the best available for whatever camera you have by all means, but seriously... Nikon vs. Canon again?
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The thread wasn't about the range of lenses. Have you even read the first post? He's trying to say Canons newer lenses are better. And that is highly debatable.
If I was to troll I'd say it's the Canon users, no surprise, that are all heated up in here, getting defensive over lenses like they had shares in the company
Of course the range and choice matters, otherwise if Pentax makes one lens, say the sharpest 24-70 EVER ever ever ever made, would you move over? Is that enough reason to switch?
Besides, I challenge anyone can tell the difference of images shot on either Canon or Nikon, we can argue over the lenses til the cow come home but the difference are negligible, otherwise all the war and wide life photographers will use one brand and one brand only.
When I see an image I don't ask what brand it is shot on, I simply ask what lens it is shot with.
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Yes but Nikon lenses are actually Nikkorthat was a Cannon
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Like my old 50mm f/1.8 AF? Screw driven so won't AF on the newer low end bodies but will still give automatic aperture and having a proper aperture ring will also work on almost all earlier Nikon bodies that share the F mount. Sharper than a sherd from a dropped L too!
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Those will be the Sony made sensors, will they?
Canon v Nikon? Again? :yawn:
FTR, which manufacturer used to make lenses for the other?
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*sigh* (Well, actually 'screams and starts biting the carpet' may be more accurate)
IT. DOESN'T. BLOODY. MATTER.
If one make was significantly better than the other, those of us who make our living doing this would for obvious reasons favour the superior brand. But we don't, do we? So one isn't better, is it? And neither is the other one.
If anyone thinks there is a real difference, here's a test: I'll post ten shots on here. You tell me what to shoot. Five taken with a Canon, five of the same thing with a Nikon. Then you tell me which is which.
Get it right and I'll give you all my camera kit. If you get it wrong, you give me all of yours, plus a cash adjustment either way.
Bet?
If you don't understand that photography doesn't actually have that much to do with cameras, then please stick to brain surgery or whatever your day job is.
IT. DOESN'T. BLOODY. MATTER.
If one make was significantly better than the other, those of us who make our living doing this would for obvious reasons favour the superior brand. But we don't, do we? So one isn't better, is it? And neither is the other one.
If anyone thinks there is a real difference, here's a test: I'll post ten shots on here. You tell me what to shoot. Five taken with a Canon, five of the same thing with a Nikon. Then you tell me which is which.
Get it right and I'll give you all my camera kit. If you get it wrong, you give me all of yours, plus a cash adjustment either way.
Bet?
If you don't understand that photography doesn't actually have that much to do with cameras, then please stick to brain surgery or whatever your day job is.
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don't forget to delete the exif - or that could be a very expensive bet 
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don't forget to delete the exif - or that could be a very expensive bet
Damn!.. I was about to take him up on that and hope he left it in
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The other day I added a photo as a fav on flickr as it was quite original and it really appealed to me artistically, can you Imagine my horror when I pixel peeped and looked at the exif to find it it was shot on some obsolete point and shoot! :shrug:
I prefered the Canon 70-200 IS II to the Nikon 70-200 VR II and mostly I prefer the Canon lenses and Nikon (Sony) sensors and body. You should try the Zeiss lenses though like the 100mm f/2, manual focus only, but better than what I've seen from Canon or Nikon.
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Contradiction in terms - one of the best things about modern slr lenses is the fast, accurate, and responsive autofocus - saying any manual focus lens is 'better' is laughable
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Not sure about actual production runs but yes, AF-D-type lenses are still available to buy new and are still listed as current. Many are being accompanied by a G-type lens (of the same/similar spec) that invariably will feature an AF-S motor so all digital Nikon DSLRs can use them fully.
The newer lenses invariably carry higher RRPs though, probably attributed to R&D and production costs because they've only recently been introduced. It's probable that most AF-D lenses have hit their lowest prices due to those costs being paid off several years ago.
It's interesting when people bring up this disparity between the two brands' lens range... I don't know the history of each manufacturer but I'd hazard a guess that Canon eclipse Nikon financially, hence why it can afford to have a much more expansive product line-up. Both have had autofocus bodies available for roughly the same amount of time, but Canon has obviously been able to pump more into the technology to create a bigger product range.
Is it a better range? Maybe, maybe not. Owning and using a camera isn't specifically about the size of the product line-up, it's about the specification of the equipment and what it offers.... if you just need a couple of 'regular lenses' like a ultra wide zoom (10mm), standard zoom (17mm) and a telephoto zoom (200mm) then both manufacturers are on equal standing; it's when specialist equipment comes into the equation that the balance of power changes and how that equipment teams up with the rest of the camera and flash range... it's all fair and well having ace lenses but if other areas of the system are compromised then the benefits don't always stack up. Look at flash systems; Nikon's has long been far superior to Canon's because of the versatility that CLS provides. And it's built into budget bodies. But that's changing with Canon's (expensive) 600RT system. Hopefully that will spur Nikon and the balance will keep shifting.
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Simplythebeast said:
Couldn't agree more been a Canon user for 29 years moved to Nikon only as I won a D3s in a competition. Any real photographer can get excellent pictures from anything including an old film slr ever heard the phrase all the gear and no idea? Also used to work in photographic retail and the amount of idiots who always have to have the latest thing and still take crap photos astound me, especially those who pay over the odds when the prices drop by 20% in a few months and then try to sell the gear for more than new. Stop being obsessed with gear and take some bloody photos! Rant over.
If I'm shooting macro, portriat, landscape or even low light I don't find manual focus laughable, quite the opposite. The autofocus hunting or it trying to focus on what it thinks I want I don't find laughable, but frustrating.
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big soft moose said:
I don't think you can name a single Nikon auto-focus PC lens that is better than any of Canon's manual focus TS-E lenses.
Canon's own range of AF tilt/shift lenses are singularly lacking in comparison, too, for that matter.
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Likewise cars with manual gear change when compared to automatic gearboxes?
The measure of a lens is its potential output and not whether you pressed or twiddled to achieve it.
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indeed and for some applications - fast moving wildlife or sport being one, without AF the output will be a blurred mess
as ever its not a case of one lens being better accross the board , as as better very much depends on what you want to do
It's like is a ferrarri a better car than a landrover ? yes on the motorway, no if you want to take it offroad !
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A Landrover Discovery will make a FAR more comfortable motorway cruiser than a Ferrari...
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Pablosammy said:A Landrover Discovery will make a FAR more comfortable motorway cruiser than a Ferrari...
Is confidence better, or fast better?
The point is we all make choices based on needs and what is "better for us".
Even a 20fps, ISO400,000 camera isn't "better" if the user is looking for easier ergonomics lacking in this "better" camera.
Canon are not "better" because they have a few more lenses.
Nikon are not "better" because their budget range perform.
They both have good lenses and if I say one lens I'm sure somebody can match it in a canon equivalent.
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Sorry, I was being facetious because I find these type of arguments pointless. Amateurs aren't interested in exotic speciality lenses, and pros will have already invested heavily in a system and will cope fine with what they've got. Neither system is truly better as you quite rightly point out.
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Pablosammy said:
Yes... sorry it was aimed at the whole thread.