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Bob Crow has died age 52.
 
Usual platitudes from the politicians though, "he was a great bloke, we had many arguments but they were always enjoyable and I will miss him" - yeah right.
Personally I wont miss him, guess his family/friends will and for them they have my sympathy.
 
May he rot in hell.

What goes around comes around Bob!
 
Definitely no fan of his but very young. I'm assuming a HA?
 
cambsno said:
May he rot in hell.

What goes around comes around Bob!
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Says far more about you than him.

He was a strong willed man who fought for what he believed and what he thought was right and just. He fought for the working man and lead from the front....not many that do that anymore and will be missed by many.
 
Yeh, so that makes ignorance alright:rolleyes:
 
Who ?

Means nowt to me
 
Don't like to speak ill of the dead so I will try and restrain my reply.

Met the 'guy' a couple of times and he was genuinely one of the rudest most up his own arse self opinionated idiots I have ever met and I have met a few. Maybe now his council house will go to someone that actually needs it, bit of a long shot but maybe we can get someone in with a modicome of commen sense . . . . . . what am I saying, it's a trade union of course nothing will change.
 
For a while I thought that Bob was a relic from the past when the likes of Red Robbo and his ilk showed trade unionism as having gone too far. However, now in the dark days of zero hours contracts, low pay for many people, poor pensions in the private sector (largely down to dodgy pension outfits syphoning money off from contributors (to shareholders etc.). I think that the pendulum has swung too far in the wrong directection. I think that the time has come for more Bob Crows.
 
arclight said:
poor pensions in the private sector (largely down to dodgy pension outfits syphoning money off from contributors (to shareholders etc.).
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For the sake of accuracy, largely due to Gordon Brown's raid on money purchase private pensions in the 1997 budget, while leaving those of his public sector cronies untouched. The provisions of that budget and its effect on the pensions of those in the private sector continue to this day.
 
I have a perhaps slightly odd way of looking at politics, but it helps me understand it all.
It works for local, national and global politics.

In shorthand terms, politics is an elastic band with differing pressures keeping it tight. Sometimes it's pulled too far one way then snaps back to a state of even tension.

Sometimes, with too much unopposed pressure in one direction it becomes distorted and unhealthy. Sometimes, with too many and too strong opposing forces, it snaps.

And so on.

IMO we desperately need people like Bob Crow. I sense the elastic band being pulled too far in one direction.

Finally, and most importantly, my condolences to his family.
 
I am not a fan of any union or its leaders. Yes in the past when trade unions did help with those being bullied-trod on-and worked to death in the 1920ish era they did help the poorer workers. Nowadays all they seem to want to do is ruin our industries. Take a look at our old car industry strike after strike, same with the dockers and the coal miners to name but 3 all finished mainly due to union leaders demanding more than the companies could afford.

Now as for Bob Crow yes anyone with feeling would feel for those left especially family, but as for what he has done work wise there will be many pleased he has gone.
The question to ask is "Are the unions now too strong as they own the Labour party so it seems"
 
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Don't like to speak ill of the dead so I will try and restrain my reply.

Met the 'guy' a couple of times and he was genuinely one of the rudest most up his own arse self opinionated idiots I have ever met and I have met a few. Maybe now his council house will go to someone that actually needs it, bit of a long shot but maybe we can get someone in with a modicome of commen sense . . . . . . what am I saying, it's a trade union of course nothing will change.
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I know a couple of people who work for the underground who have a much lower opinion of him. Yes it's ok to stand up for people's rights but to at the expense of bankrupting the company.
London has 16% of the population yet receives 32% of central government spend on funding. Next year the funding is being cut and tfl are using reserves but currently they look £50m out. At the moment it's subsidised by central government by £1.8 billion, next year to be cut by £220m.
 
cambsno said:
Wouldn't normally say it but he said that about thatcher when she died.
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the only thing is you lower yourself to his level Simon. For Crow to say that in the first place and to deny someone a council house makes him much less deserving of platitudes than is being lavished upon him now.
 
The bad taste jokes have started - I see on another forum that Londoners are struggling with the irony that he died because his tubes weren't working :bang:
 
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I am not a fan of any union or its leaders. Yes in the past when trade unions did help with those being bullied-trod on-and worked to death in the 1920ish era they did help the poorer workers. Nowadays all they seem to want to do is ruin our industries. Take a look at our old car industry strike after strike, same with the dockers and the coal miners to name but 3 all finished mainly due to union leaders demanding more than the companies could afford.
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I agree, I've worked in the car manufacturer industry (Ford) for almost 35yrs and hate the unions with a passion. Certainly don't trust them. All they want to do is fight change, they are unrealistic in their thoughts and actions not being able to see that changes need to be made for the survival of peoples jobs and for the unions themselves to be able to continue to receive money from membership dues.
Their has been a programme shown on BBC3 several times now, about the downfall of Dagenham and the loss of car production there in 2002. They interviewed workers, managers and union officials from over the years. One union official bragged how he would bully the managers, shouting them down in front of the workers, refusing flatly to even consider changes management wanted to make not even prepared to talk about it and then had the cheek to say at the end of the programme, that he thought it sad that Ford had ceased car production at Dagenham, yet he just couldn't see that he had played a part in that downfall.

I don't mind when they represent you to right a wrong or negotiate on wage claims, that's what they are there for and why I am a union member, not for them to be petty or obstinate, automatically seeing a company or management team as the enemy resisting everything, causing trouble, finding any little reason to down tools and ultimately lose peoples jobs.
We most certainly don't need anymore Union leaders like that.
 
nilagin said:
One union official bragged how he would bully the managers, shouting them down in front of the workers, refusing flatly to even consider changes management wanted to make not even prepared to talk about it .
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If he was a worker rep I'd fire his arse - if he wasn't I'd just walk out of the meeting - strike ? okay strike then - we'll just move production to Poland, didn't think that through did you ???
 
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If he was a worker rep I'd fire his arse - if he wasn't I'd just walk out of the meeting - strike ? okay strike then - we'll just move production to Poland, didn't think that through did you ???
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He was from the 60's and 70's era (no plants in Poland at the time) they had wild strike action at the drop of the hat. Sadly they had plenty of members just as militant back then, who weren't afraid to stir things up or walk out for the most stupid reasons. To give you an idea of how bad/stupid things were, the assembly plant went on strike because the price of baked beans went up in the canteen. They would even threaten to strike if the tea from the tea urn didn't taste right, to the point where each department had official tea tasters. Because of their petty actions was one of the reasons why Ford decided to cease car production in the UK.
Thankfully, Ford have always been pretty much fair in my opinion, they have never made anyone redundant in the UK for as long as I can remember, redundancies have always been voluntary and jobs have been found for those not wanting to leave. Hence why I am currently a 51yr old apprentice. With bad union representation from the likes of Bob Crow, I doubt whether things would be able to continue like that in this delicate economic climate.
 
Ive mixed feelings about unions in general - on one hand Unison were a life save when a previous employer was trying to screw me over, but on the other hand I've also been through a disciplinary (as a manager) where the union rep was a real arse and made things much worse for the employee concerned... at the start he could have just accepted a first warning, but he was (on advice from the union dipstick) so intransigent and obstructive that he wound up going through a three stage hearing and getting dismissed for gross misconduct :bang:
 
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