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President Maduru, of Venezuela, has ordered the blocking of Elan Musk's X platform for 10 days because the recent elections were rigged and Musk was getting involved saying they were. I've heard poiliticians here saying the UK could ban X for a period.

I've Googled to find out how to no avail. How can a country block access to a social media platform or any other platform. ? If they can do this why not block those platforms that allow users to post about committing suicide ,self-harming etc. ?
 
Anyone could get around it with a VPN. Much like visitors to China do.
 
If they can do this why not block those platforms that allow users to post about committing suicide ,self-harming etc. ?

It's a challenge if the site wants to remain available in the UK & can use countermeasures. Likewise as Lewis said, easy enough to get around with VPN or a Tor connection.

Compare this with the sites offering films as free downloads that, until recently, were easy to find and very effective, now being displaced by low-cost/free streaming services.
 
Whilst trying to find out the 'how' of it I read about VPN. However, my question was 'how'.. does a country do it ? Is it a case of 'jamming a signal' or isn't 'signal' the correct terminology ?
 
A quick question to chatGPT gives the following. With most IT there are always ways to circumvent these measures but some are technical and would require a bit of knowledge of the users.

Jake

A country can block a specific website using several technical and legal methods. Here’s a breakdown of the most common approaches:

1. **Domain Name System (DNS) Blocking:**
- **How it works:** The government orders Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to block access to a specific domain name. When a user tries to visit the blocked website, the DNS servers do not resolve the domain name to its corresponding IP address, effectively preventing access.
- **Limitations:** Users can bypass this by using alternative DNS services (e.g., Google Public DNS, Cloudflare).

2. **IP Address Blocking:**
- **How it works:** ISPs are instructed to block traffic to and from specific IP addresses associated with the website. This prevents any direct connection to the website's server.
- **Limitations:** If the website uses a Content Delivery Network (CDN) or shares its IP address with other websites, blocking the IP could also affect other sites. Additionally, websites can change their IP addresses or use multiple IPs to evade blocking.

3. **Deep Packet Inspection (DPI):**
- **How it works:** DPI involves analyzing data packets as they pass through an ISP’s network. If the data is identified as coming from or going to a banned website, it is blocked or redirected.
- **Limitations:** DPI is resource-intensive and can be circumvented by using encrypted connections (like HTTPS) or VPNs.

4. **URL Filtering:**
- **How it works:** ISPs block specific URLs within a website, rather than the entire site. This can be done using proxy servers or specialized filtering software that inspects the URL of each request.
- **Limitations:** Like DPI, this method can be bypassed using encryption or VPNs. It also requires more granular control, making it more complex to implement.

5. **HTTP/HTTPS Filtering:**
- **How it works:** ISPs can inspect HTTP headers or SSL/TLS handshakes (in the case of HTTPS) to identify and block requests to specific websites. In the case of HTTPS, they may block SSL certificates issued to the banned website.
- **Limitations:** This can be bypassed using VPNs or changing the SSL certificate.

6. **Legal and Administrative Actions:**
- **How it works:** Governments may pass laws or regulations that require websites to be taken down or blocked at the server level. They might also pressure or mandate hosting companies to disable access to the website.
- **Limitations:** This is more effective when the website is hosted within the country’s jurisdiction. For websites hosted internationally, enforcement is more difficult.

7. **Content Delivery Network (CDN) Blocking:**
- **How it works:** Blocking access to specific content served through CDNs. This is more targeted than IP blocking, as CDNs distribute content from multiple servers globally.
- **Limitations:** Websites using different CDN strategies or shifting content delivery methods can evade this.

8. **Traffic Shaping/Throttling:**
- **How it works:** ISPs slow down traffic to the banned website to a point where it becomes practically unusable, rather than outright blocking it.
- **Limitations:** This can degrade user experience on the entire network and can be avoided by using VPNs or other methods to disguise traffic.

9. **Human Censorship:**
- **How it works:** The government may monitor and manually review web traffic to enforce censorship rules. This can include monitoring social media and other platforms where the banned website may be referenced or linked.
- **Limitations:** This is labor-intensive and can be easily circumvented if users are aware of the censorship methods.

10. **User Device Configuration:**
- **How it works:** Governments can push software updates or configurations that block access to specific websites at the device level (e.g., mobile devices, computers).
- **Limitations:** Users can avoid this by using alternative software, devices, or configurations.

Countermeasures:
Users often use various tools to bypass these blocks, such as:
- **Virtual Private Networks (VPNs):** Encrypt internet traffic and route it through servers in other countries.
- **Tor Network:** Uses multiple layers of encryption and anonymous routing to access blocked sites.
- **Proxy Servers:** Act as intermediaries to access blocked content.
- **DNS over HTTPS (DoH):** Encrypts DNS queries to prevent ISP-level DNS blocking.

Governments typically use a combination of these techniques, depending on their resources, technical capability, and the extent to which they wish to enforce censorship.
 
After "X" comes book (and probably author) burning.

Just read that Alister Cambell is pushing for the arrest of Douglas Murray for talking about his views as expressed in "The strange death of the west."

I wonder if any voters are having buyers remorse. Talking books, I beginning to think 1984 wasn't a novel but an instruction manual.
 
Blocking X won't stop the determined people getting onto it.

However, Musk wants clicks for adverts, and a block of the site will remove most clicks, thus annoying Musk.
 
Blocking X won't stop the determined people getting onto it.

However, Musk wants clicks for adverts, and a block of the site will remove most clicks, thus annoying Musk.

I don't believe it's about ads, there is a boycott going on and doubtless he'd like more but I think it's more that he's a free speech advocate with strong views so of course he's going to express them.
 
I don't believe it's about ads, there is a boycott going on and doubtless he'd like more but I think it's more that he's a free speech advocate with strong views so of course he's going to express them.
He’s lost a merry fortune on X. He is desperate to monetise it better. His views should be immaterial, sadly they infest X.
 
Once we only had BBC TV. Can you remember the dulled thrill of the daytime test card? After ITV got going, we had the new excitement of ads for washing up liquid etc. The rot was on the ascendant. Interactivity coupled with commercialism can only compound it. Add in accelerated climate change & we're doomed, seemingly.

Subscribe to whatever you want to subscribe to. Or not - an equally valid statement. But populism seems to be replacing paternalism - oh for a middle ground! Democracy is a fine concept, but where did sensibility go?
 
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I don't believe it's about ads, there is a boycott going on and doubtless he'd like more but I think it's more that he's a free speech advocate with strong views so of course he's going to express them.

He bought twitter to prevent people posting things he didn't like and has subsequently banned people/organisations who's views he disagrees with..... so he clearly isn't an advocate of free speech.
 
He’s lost a merry fortune on X. He is desperate to monetise it better. His views should be immaterial, sadly they infest X.

As opposed to under the last regime when political censorship and election interference were rife and the platform was infected with an avalanche of kiddie porn.
 
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A quick question to chatGPT gives the following. With most IT there are always ways to circumvent these measures but some are technical and would require a bit of knowledge of the users.

Jake

A country can block a specific website using several technical and legal methods. Here’s a breakdown of the most common approaches:

1. **Domain Name System (DNS) Blocking:**
- **How it works:** The government orders Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to block access to a specific domain name. When a user tries to visit the blocked website, the DNS servers do not resolve the domain name to its corresponding IP address, effectively preventing access.
- **Limitations:** Users can bypass this by using alternative DNS services (e.g., Google Public DNS, Cloudflare).

2. **IP Address Blocking:**
- **How it works:** ISPs are instructed to block traffic to and from specific IP addresses associated with the website. This prevents any direct connection to the website's server.
- **Limitations:** If the website uses a Content Delivery Network (CDN) or shares its IP address with other websites, blocking the IP could also affect other sites. Additionally, websites can change their IP addresses or use multiple IPs to evade blocking.

3. **Deep Packet Inspection (DPI):**
- **How it works:** DPI involves analyzing data packets as they pass through an ISP’s network. If the data is identified as coming from or going to a banned website, it is blocked or redirected.
- **Limitations:** DPI is resource-intensive and can be circumvented by using encrypted connections (like HTTPS) or VPNs.

4. **URL Filtering:**
- **How it works:** ISPs block specific URLs within a website, rather than the entire site. This can be done using proxy servers or specialized filtering software that inspects the URL of each request.
- **Limitations:** Like DPI, this method can be bypassed using encryption or VPNs. It also requires more granular control, making it more complex to implement.

5. **HTTP/HTTPS Filtering:**
- **How it works:** ISPs can inspect HTTP headers or SSL/TLS handshakes (in the case of HTTPS) to identify and block requests to specific websites. In the case of HTTPS, they may block SSL certificates issued to the banned website.
- **Limitations:** This can be bypassed using VPNs or changing the SSL certificate.

6. **Legal and Administrative Actions:**
- **How it works:** Governments may pass laws or regulations that require websites to be taken down or blocked at the server level. They might also pressure or mandate hosting companies to disable access to the website.
- **Limitations:** This is more effective when the website is hosted within the country’s jurisdiction. For websites hosted internationally, enforcement is more difficult.

7. **Content Delivery Network (CDN) Blocking:**
- **How it works:** Blocking access to specific content served through CDNs. This is more targeted than IP blocking, as CDNs distribute content from multiple servers globally.
- **Limitations:** Websites using different CDN strategies or shifting content delivery methods can evade this.

8. **Traffic Shaping/Throttling:**
- **How it works:** ISPs slow down traffic to the banned website to a point where it becomes practically unusable, rather than outright blocking it.
- **Limitations:** This can degrade user experience on the entire network and can be avoided by using VPNs or other methods to disguise traffic.

9. **Human Censorship:**
- **How it works:** The government may monitor and manually review web traffic to enforce censorship rules. This can include monitoring social media and other platforms where the banned website may be referenced or linked.
- **Limitations:** This is labor-intensive and can be easily circumvented if users are aware of the censorship methods.

10. **User Device Configuration:**
- **How it works:** Governments can push software updates or configurations that block access to specific websites at the device level (e.g., mobile devices, computers).
- **Limitations:** Users can avoid this by using alternative software, devices, or configurations.

Countermeasures:
Users often use various tools to bypass these blocks, such as:
- **Virtual Private Networks (VPNs):** Encrypt internet traffic and route it through servers in other countries.
- **Tor Network:** Uses multiple layers of encryption and anonymous routing to access blocked sites.
- **Proxy Servers:** Act as intermediaries to access blocked content.
- **DNS over HTTPS (DoH):** Encrypts DNS queries to prevent ISP-level DNS blocking.

Governments typically use a combination of these techniques, depending on their resources, technical capability, and the extent to which they wish to enforce censorship.

So..many ways to do it. Thanks very much for taking so much effort to give me an answer.Much appreciated. It's a different world to me. :)
 
He bought twitter to prevent people posting things he didn't like and has subsequently banned people/organisations who's views he disagrees with..... so he clearly isn't an advocate of free speech.
Far more people were banned literally or shadow banned with posts not being shown to others before Musk bought it.
 
He’s lost a merry fortune on X. He is desperate to monetise it better. His views should be immaterial, sadly they infest X.
Not sure about that it has gone from strength to strength.
Whether it makes enough to cover costs is hard to establish he won't be much bothered at this point I would think.

What you are suddenly 'noticing' is what most people think now that the censorship on there has been reduced.
Youtube is now the great bastion of blocking stuff they don't like, are there are various words it will detect and just block you regardless of context.
 
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Whilst trying to find out the 'how' of it I read about VPN. However, my question was 'how'.. does a country do it ? Is it a case of 'jamming a signal' or isn't 'signal' the correct terminology ?
Think of it like border control, as people go in each direction their documents are checked and they're allowed through or not. Firewalls (powerful dedicated hardware versions) sit at the edge of networks and check every packet of data coming through them which they can do based on any parameter of the user's choice. There's other different methods of blocking traffic but the core idea is much the same, intercepting user traffic and applying blocks.
 
Accepting I am old - I cannot see how the world would any worse without X/Twitter, Facebook or other social media.
Well you'd need to believe that mainstream media always told the truth and aren't being told what to broadcast.
Which has never been the case.
 
Well you'd need to believe that mainstream media always told the truth and aren't being told what to broadcast.
Which has never been the case.
I completely understand this and agree. If you get your news from one supplier then it is very likely to be swayed and I think that we are all manipulated to an extent.

The problem comes when folk believe what they read from unverified and unchecked sources - and follow those who appear a view similar to their own who may wish to appeal more by expanding on truths. I know that some younger folk get all their news from social media and pretty sure that isn't always the healthiest place.
 
William Randolph Hearst has many quotes attributed to him......

"I don't care what the papers write about me. My constituents can't read."

And possibly this one that describes Trump

"A politician will do anything to keep his job -- even become a patriot."

Though looking through a list of his quotes ........I do find contradictory ones.

PS in regard to Trump's 'Truth Social' and Musk's 'X' they are IMO nothing but mouthpieces for those rich and wishing to become politically powerful individuals.
 
Musk is starting to go a bit wierd and not sure what his intentions are.
 
I completely understand this and agree. If you get your news from one supplier then it is very likely to be swayed and I think that we are all manipulated to an extent.

The problem comes when folk believe what they read from unverified and unchecked sources - and follow those who appear a view similar to their own who may wish to appeal more by expanding on truths. I know that some younger folk get all their news from social media and pretty sure that isn't always the healthiest place.
This is arguably the most worrying of situations.

With shades of "state controlled" media (think Russia, China & NK with no doubt others too?) but in this case private controlled media, that it seems is (nothing more than) an echo chamber of truths, half-truths & downright lies.....with the users having no discernable way to distinguish between actual truth and 100% misinformation/fake news :(
 
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Governments typically use a combination of these techniques, depending on their resources, technical capability, and the extent to which they wish to enforce censorship.
A useful introduction to the subject.

I agree that anyone serious about blocking access these days, knows that they need a smorgasbord of techniques to do the job effectively.
My only question is: does anyone trust the British government to know that as well? :tumbleweed:
 
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Think of it like border control, as people go in each direction their documents are checked and they're allowed through or not. Firewalls (powerful dedicated hardware versions) sit at the edge of networks and check every packet of data coming through them which they can do based on any parameter of the user's choice. There's other different methods of blocking traffic but the core idea is much the same, intercepting user traffic and applying blocks.
Thanks very much for this. That's an easy way for me to understand how it's done. (y)
 
Anyone could get around it with a VPN. Much like visitors to China do.

Agreed, but for the casual user it’s unlikely.

Even if a block is only 60% effective that’s still a HUGE amount of people that can no longer access the cesspit that is X.

The underlying issue is that lies mean clicks, which results in monetisation, or at the very least gains people popularity for being either controversial or hated. Musk for one thrives on it, and it gets his fanbase all riled up.

X will never get any better, their reputation is burnt to a crisp, and Elon telling advertisers to go f*** themselves was priceless.
 
  1. Can it be done? Yes, lots of ways - plenty of helpful posts above
  2. Can it be done so it can't be circumvented by tech heads? No, definitely not - see for example China.
  3. Can it be done well enough to stop the average person in the street from accessing it? Maybe - it really depends how motivated both sides are
  4. Should it be done? That's a surprisingly hard question. As much as I'm in favour or free speech, there is an increasing amount of hate on all social media platforms. I was horrified to see some posts in a "local residents" FB group after our local Pride picnic and Naked Bike Ride. It got worse when 2 people actually died attempting to cross the channel. From what I read, the hate channel formerly known as Twitter is probably the worst and even apart from the well known agitators there are certainly a lot of AIs on there now whipping up hatred and anger. So yeah, maybe it's time. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you have the right to a magaphone to broadcast your message to the whole world. People also forget that there are also consequences of free speech - I've seen comments on SM that could certainly be an arrestable offence.
In other news - how you seen that X's owner is now trying to sue people for not buying advertising from him? I mean, if that doesn't impinge freedom of speech I'm not sure what does. Maybe some of our wedidng photographers could do similar - pick another photographer? Sure, I'm going to sue you.....
 
He bought twitter to prevent people posting things he didn't like and has subsequently banned people/organisations who's views he disagrees with..... so he clearly isn't an advocate of free speech.


I disagree, I was banned from twitter for saying there are only two sexes, humans do not have the ability to change sex and that gender is very different to sex. Is any of that inflammatory? However, since Musk took control, I have found there is more freedom of science backed facts.
 
I disagree, I was banned from twitter for saying there are only two sexes, humans do not have the ability to change sex and that gender is very different to sex. Is any of that inflammatory? However, since Musk took control, I have found there is more freedom of science backed facts.

There’s also the freedom to refer to someone as a p***, without any facts, without repercussion.

Would you accept that someone shouting that you’re a p*** in a town square is freedom of speech, or would you expect someone to deem that’s unacceptable and limit the damage to your reputation and state of mind?
 
Agreed, but for the casual user it’s unlikely.

Even if a block is only 60% effective that’s still a HUGE amount of people that can no longer access the cesspit that is X.

The underlying issue is that lies mean clicks, which results in monetisation, or at the very least gains people popularity for being either controversial or hated. Musk for one thrives on it, and it gets his fanbase all riled up.

X will never get any better, their reputation is burnt to a crisp, and Elon telling advertisers to go f*** themselves was priceless.

spot on i also suspect musk might form a link up with trumps truth hate platform down the line

X is burned
 
There’s also the freedom to refer to someone as a p***, without any facts, without repercussion.

Would you accept that someone shouting that you’re a p*** in a town square is freedom of speech, or would you expect someone to deem that’s unacceptable and limit the damage to your reputation and state of mind?

I wish I knew what on earth you are talking about.
 
I wish I knew what on earth you are talking about.

he is saying if someone calls you a prick in the street without reason is that freedom of speech or other.
platfroms like X and FB do not have any real filtering
 
he is saying if someone calls you a prick in the street without reason is that freedom of speech or other.
platfroms like X and FB do not have any real filtering

It was a different P word, but yeah, I was referring to musk calling someone a child molester some time ago
 
Musk calling someone a child molester on X, unmoderated and he got away with it.
Well, it went to court - and the person he said it about failed to prove his case and get $130M. But yes, I thought it was pretty odd.

His defence was roughly "it should have been obvious I was joking". Another court on another day might have ruled it was a targeted defamation and worth $130M. But I suspect the favourable verdict was more to do with the quality of the lawyers than owning the platform.
 
Well, it went to court - and the person he said it about failed to prove his case and get $130M. But yes, I thought it was pretty odd.

His defence was roughly "it should have been obvious I was joking". Another court on another day might have ruled it was a targeted defamation and worth $130M. But I suspect the favourable verdict was more to do with the quality of the lawyers than owning the platform.

In other words, no reason for him not to do it again, and he has done, meanwhile the guy in question had widespread targeted abuse.
 
Musk calling someone a child molester on X, unmoderated and he got away with it.

For balance, I suggest you look at the abuse and death threats J K Rowling got from trans rights activists before Musk got control of twitter. We are not talking little insults with regard to her and her family.
 
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