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well, my sons focus tdci has been playing silly buggers of late. after some time on the computor, it turns out he has a duff cam position sensor.
ordered one from the local motor factors., who sent him the petrol engine one, and say they only list that one.
kn*****ds.
one phone call to local ford dealer. oh we dont stock spares, were just a showroom and sales pitch.
kn*****ds.
put us on to ford , who say , yes we have one at bl**dy chesterfield. as i,m on hols, guess who,s been volenteered to fetch it.

well , an excuse to get the bike out.
 
Useless

Had an issue with mine, EGR valve sticking, took the local garage over a week to get one and sort :shrug::bang:
 
inaneredstripe, my Mondeo TDCi was bought from a Ford main dealer. Six months in (coincedentally, after the warranty had run out) it started leaking oil all over and just gave out one day.

RAC had a look, towed it to thhe independant Ford technician behind my work and he had a look and found that whoever had serviced it at the Ford garage had fitted the wrong fuel injection valve seals and over the six month's they'd just given up due to a poor fit. Thankfully, it was caught at the right time and cost about £80 to fix – could have been £1000+ if it had been left longer he told me.

Now, it's playing up and the ECU warning light has a penchant for coming on now and then, hence why I've part-exed it for a newer SEAT. Can't wait to get hold of my new car and bin off the Ford...
 
Well, i bought my ford mondeo 2 years ago from a main dealer and can honestly say i've had nothing but great service from them, i got 2 years warranty too ( which is bloody good for a 3 year old car when i bought it), with the warranty, i've had a sensor replaced in the wheel somewhere (is that the cam sensor?), the CV boots replaced and the rear subframe replaced (common mondeo problem). had a courtesy car too whenever i've needed it.
 
don't dis FMC. :suspect:

Focus tdci cam position sensor trouble is an old concern and some cars are subject to a rework on the wiring to convert them from a 5volt ref to a 12 volt in order to improve the robustness of the signal.
 
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How old are all these Fords that keep going wrong ?
 
specialman said:
Now, it's playing up and the ECU warning light has a penchant for coming on now and then, hence why I've part-exed it for a newer SEAT. Can't wait to get hold of my new car and bin off the Ford...
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Probably more expensive bills too if that breaks down.:(

Being a Ford employee I know plenty of people who own a TDCi Ford of some description of various ages and none have had any problems. I've not owned a TDCi, yet, myself but I have driven a couple both drove well and fast and I look forward to ordering my 2.2TDCi Mondeo in the near future.
It's the same with anything, you only hear of things going wrong but very rarely is anything highlighted when things go right or cause no trouble at all.
 
not had any problems with my focus and its 3.5 years old, saying that i wouldn't take it anywhere near my local ford dealer robbing *****sters told me my tyres were balled and needed replacing..... they had 4.5mm of tread on them!!!!
 
Only problem I have had with my Focus ST have been induced by the local dealer, who argue black & blue that "it's not our fault", until the presented evidence becomes obvious.

I no longer let them anywhere near my Focus and have turned to an independent specialist for all of my servicing. I have really lost faith with just about all main dealers, I even the hear appalling stories from "top marque" dealers too.

Modern Fords are pretty decent motors, up their with many of the German manufacturers and those like Honda.

Steve
 
Glad to see this isn't a complaint about Ffordes . . .
 
My local Ford dealer is very good. They've done work without charging and reimbursed for unauthorised work with no quibbles. I've always found them very helpful.
 
So how old is this focus m8, i'm guessing it's somewhere between 2001 and 2004 from the fault.

The cam sensor is vital on a tdci engine, it's signal is used to determine the engine's firing order.


Wez.....your car would have had a wheel speed sensor.

One little point that irks me, please remember that in most cases the dealer you take your car to is a franchise and not actually FMC.

I know a genuine story of a Ferrari that went for service and ended up having a new engine because the sump plug wasn't fitted correctly :eek:, so it's not just mass market dealers that feed monkeys ;)
 
Ford garages are generally useless, I believe one was responsible for my engine damage previous... we discovered an air filter had not been replaced... con rod snapped off and bust through the engine... long story... but the people that sorted it all:


www.pumabuild.co.uk ask for alan. These guys are experts with Focus/ Puma/ Fiesta etc etc.. They are based in Brum, but have visitors from all over so you'll be looked after. At least give them a call and see what they say.
 
slight off topic......having no air filter can not cause a con rod to fail, especially as the connecting rod never actually comes into contact with the incoming air charge. Bore damage and piston wear maybe.....but not rod failure, thats usually a result of an engine over speed condition.
If we are going to name, shame and pass blame at business's lets have cast iron facts.

:D
 
digitalfailure said:
slight off topic......having no air filter can not cause a con rod to fail, especially as the connecting rod never actually comes into contact with the incoming air charge. Bore damage and piston wear maybe.....but not rod failure, thats usually a result of an engine over speed condition.
If we are going to name, shame and pass blame at business's lets have cast iron facts.

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Well pardon me. I'm not a mechanic so obviously stated the facts incorrectly. Fact is the previous service and resulting customer service was AWFUL from my local ford garage. They refused to accept they hadn't replaced the filter, when they were the last people to go near it during a full service. Then when the engine went (through normal driving) I had to rely on a third party who i'd never used before to look after me, which they did very well. Ford expected me to get the car to them... the other company had facility to collect it. That for me is good attention to detail.
 
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how do you know they hadn;t replaced the filter? they would have replaced like for like genuine parts so apart from condition you wouldnt be able to tell an old filter from a new one and filters clog up really really quickly with dirt so a new filter could look dirty within days depending on weather/road conditions
 
your spot on. 02 plate. now it doesnt wanna run properly. guy coming out tomoro to remove the fault codes. hopefully it will be hunkydory then. my lads right peed off.
had less trouble with his £500 pug 106 diesel.
did enjoy the ride on my bike though. went the 50 mile long way.
 
whitewash said:
how do you know they hadn;t replaced the filter? they would have replaced like for like genuine parts so apart from condition you wouldnt be able to tell an old filter from a new one and filters clog up really really quickly with dirt so a new filter could look dirty within days depending on weather/road conditions
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Because the next people to look under the bonnet to check the air filter discovered there wasn't one. The servicing I paid for at Ford stated they had changed it. Clearly for an invisible.

I'm sorry for bringing up my bad experience.

My recommendation stands though.
 
i,m lucky. the old knockers i run, i can still service/fettle myself without having to use £5000 of diagnostic kit when th got phut.
if my old (s reg) escort kills anything major, its off to the big car park in the sky.
the bikes too ,are getting way more complicated.fuel injection,abs,canbus wiring (ducati,s ) microproccesres, twin butterfly inlets,vvt.
.glad mine are relatively simple.:)
 
cheers for the clarification! clearly the dealership ****ed up with that one!!!!!


we werent disregarding your bad experience (if you look earlier i also slated my local ford dealership) we just wanted a bit of clarification on the faults you addressed :)
 
Can you PM me the the cars reg please and also the colour of the old and new sensor?

If it's still running poorly after it's been replaced you could have other issues.
 
whitewash said:
cheers for the clarification! clearly the dealership ****ed up with that one!!!!!


we werent disregarding your bad experience (if you look earlier i also slated my local ford dealership) we just wanted a bit of clarification on the faults you addressed :)
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No worries! Thanks
 
Any focus-related questions etc, feel free to ask on my "local" site: www.focusowners.com - its for Ford focus owners, by focus owners (I designed the website as well, if anyone's interested! ;)

Lots of knowledgable folk who can answer most issues with the marque...

Joe
 
db247 said:
Because the next people to look under the bonnet to check the air filter discovered there wasn't one. The servicing I paid for at Ford stated they had changed it. Clearly for an invisible.

I'm sorry for bringing up my bad experience.

My recommendation stands though.
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As said the Ford dealer was at fault for not replacing the air filter. But that in no way would have caused a con rod failure. You can't blame the dealer for that. I'm not a mechanic either.:)
 
Of course, the funny thing is, that you only ever hear the horror stories, not the thousands of people that pass through dealerships daily and are perfectly happy customers, or those that do have a problem and the dealerships sort it out quickly and with good grace.... :bonk:
 
My Mondeo is a 2002/52-reg but with only 50K on the clock.

When it was running sweetly my Mondeo was a brilliant car*–*oodles of space and really comfy to drive –*but too many things go wrong and go wrong quickly, too. Never had a car where a slight inkling of a failure has turned into a full-on failure so quickly. My Peugots, Vauxhalls and Nissans before seemed stronger, tougher.

Still, as someone says, you only hear of the bad things and I'm sure there are loads of Ford owners out there who are well chuffed. I'm just a bit fed up with mine...
 
LadyLens said:
Of course, the funny thing is, that you only ever hear the horror stories, not the thousands of people that pass through dealerships daily and are perfectly happy customers, or those that do have a problem and the dealerships sort it out quickly and with good grace.... :bonk:
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Exactly, every marque will have a fault of some description, rarely will it affect all cars of certain types so some will escape it and you never or rarely get to hear about it.
I remember BBC's Watchdog about 12 yrs ago, with people complaining about their Mondeo pulling to one side. People were asked to write in with their experiences. I think they had about 10 replies and one of those was from the owner of a Sierra.:thinking:
I'm on Mondeo no. 4, two owned from new and two bought second hand, all owned consecutively in the last 12 years and never had a problem of the car pulling to one side. (Apart from the time I slid on ice into a kerb and bent the whishbone :'( ). I don't think anything was ever proved on the subject.

As I said earlier, I've found my local Ford dealer to be brilliant over the years, wether the car was brand new or second hand. I had a beat up old Fiesta that made a terrible knocking noise on full lock. I took it into the Dealer expecting to have to have new CV joints fitted. They inspected the joints, found them to be in good condition and repacked them with grease, then checked the tracking which they found to be out, needing adjustment. Adjusted the noise was gone. All I was charged for was the tracking, the rest of the labour time was done free.
I probably won't get my new car from them unless they can come up with the best deal. But I'll have no problems entrusting them to look after it for me. :thumbs: .
 
specialman said:
Still, as someone says, you only hear of the bad things and I'm sure there are loads of Ford owners out there who are well chuffed. I'm just a bit fed up with mine...
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Sorry to hear that. My 98 Mondeo has covered 216,500 miles. I've had it the last five and a half years, bought with 151,000 miles on the clock. Engine, clutch and gearbox are all original and it has only refused to start twice. One was the battery had expired, it was the original from new and six years old. The other time, I had knocked the parking lights on exiting the car and the battery was flat about 8 hrs later.
Everything else has been general wear and tear items. Car doesn't even get regularly serviced, apart from 6 monthly oil changes. I very rarely look under the bonnet.
I nitend keeping it when I get my new car, can't bear to let it go really, it's been brilliant. May even spend a bit of money on it when the new one has arrived.
 
nilagin said:
I had knocked the parking lights on exiting the car and the battery was flat about 8 hrs later.
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ive done that on my focus, i turned the lights off but clicked it across to parking lights by accident and got out of the car and came back to find the battery flat! luckily i live on a hill so i just bump started it (yes yes i know your not supposed to but hey ho i needed to go!) and its been fine ever since!
 
whitewash said:
ive done that on my focus, i turned the lights off but clicked it across to parking lights by accident and got out of the car and came back to find the battery flat! luckily i live on a hill so i just bump started it (yes yes i know your not supposed to but hey ho i needed to go!) and its been fine ever since!
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Why aren't you supposed to bump start it?
 
ive just always been told your not to bump start a car with a cat on it (meow!) dunno why tbh! (unburnt fuel causing damage to the car perhaps?) once or twice cant hurt!


as i said above i dont use the local ford dealer to me, after a bad experience, now i use a very good local garage to services the majority of cars at work, hes a nice bloke, does a good job and is very much cheaper than the dealer into the bargain, oh and we build his wrc engines as well :)
 
digitalfailure said:
slight off topic......having no air filter can not cause a con rod to fail, especially as the connecting rod never actually comes into contact with the incoming air charge. Bore damage and piston wear maybe.....but not rod failure, thats usually a result of an engine over speed condition.
If we are going to name, shame and pass blame at business's lets have cast iron facts.

:D
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May have been an OIL filter - either not replaced (and glugging up) or not replaced properly, causing an oil leak. The latter could have been the prelude to a seizure, which inturm could have led to a broken con-rod.
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whitewash said:
ive just always been told your not to bump start a car with a cat on it (meow!) dunno why tbh! (unburnt fuel causing damage to the car perhaps?) once or twice cant hurt!


as i said above i dont use the local ford dealer to me, after a bad experience, now i use a very good local garage to services the majority of cars at work, hes a nice bloke, does a good job and is very much cheaper than the dealer into the bargain, oh and we build his wrc engines as well :)
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The odd occasion won't hurt, what you really should NEVER do with any modern car is JUMP start them, as that can blow all manner of computer systems, and not necessarily straight away either :bonk: Mind you, the AA and RAC still do it!
 
lots of valid reasons for not tow starting a vehicle. The main one being sudden shock loading to the cam chain or belt above it's design intent.
 
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