Bitten by a dog ... grrrr

ST4 said:
Dog bites someone. A few tell the victim to report it . Seems sensible enough to me?
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Reporting isn't the issue, if it is worth reporting....If someone is crossing my land whilst I've got my animals roaming free then they should be aware of the dog as well :) But that isn't it....

It is the leaps that are taken, funny thing is animals don't talk, dogs don't have hands either....Just a bit of common sense should prevail...I don't leave my children alone with the dog either...I'm starting to loose count of the bones broken by my daughter with horse riding, lets kill them all as well shall we?
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@Dylanlewis2000 Considering it happened to you, and you are the only one that was there...Does this dog and its two companions deserve to be destroyed?
 
viv1969 said:
I tell you what princess, let's both sustain an injury from, say, a rusty nail....then let's both not seek medical assistance. Then let's see who feels ok after a couple of days.

Natural resistance to a particular disease isn't unusual. Even the most decimating diseases known to man aren't 100% fatal, and tetanus is far from that.

Google is your friend....if you can be bothered, that is :-)
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you don't get natural resistance to tetanus. you get an immunity from exposure to the toxin. this is either by being in an environment where there are lots of spores (breathed in or ingested) or you get immunised. the immunity is also not lasting meaning you can become susceptible to the toxin again hence why you get boosters.

I'll be fine what with being immunised against tetanus and that assumes the nail has any spores on it ;)
 
Blank_Canvas said:
No it's not. I have lost count of the number of infants who have been mauled to death by dogs over the last three years. Even one death is one two many.
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yeah and what kind of dogs are they? . while i'm not condoing the action, a sheep dog having a nip is not the same as a pit terrier mauling an infant.
 
dejongj said:
Reporting isn't the issue, if it is worth reporting....If someone is crossing my land whilst I've got my animals roaming free then they should be aware of the dog as well :) But that isn't it....

It is the leaps that are taken, funny thing is animals don't talk, dogs don't have hands either....Just a bit of common sense should prevail...I don't leave my children alone with the dog either...I'm starting to loose count of the bones broken by my daughter with horse riding, lets kill them all as well shall we?
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Crossing your land that has a public way on it, yes I'd expect dogs to be kept under control, only some farmers use all sorts of tactic to discourage walkers from their land. This attack needs reporting.

Horses, yup I'm up for limiting them, don't see the point, especially when people ride them on busy roads, side by side, leaving mess everywhere. Mixing horses with traffic doesn't work, keep them on separate land.
 
ST4 said:
It's sad when people care more about animals than people isn't it?
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Who is talking about caring more about animals than people?

To live in harmony with people, with animals, with land, one has to understand how to interact and stop being so arrogant and stop treating/approaching animals like they are human beings. Very small adaptions through can make a huge difference.
 
dejongj said:
Who is talking about caring more about animals than people?

To live in harmony with people, with animals, with land, one has to understand how to interact and stop being so arrogant and stop treating/approaching animals like they are human beings. Very small adaptions through can make a huge difference.
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In this thread I've seen more concern for the dog than the OP.

IMHO, the OP was doing nothing wrong and an aggressive dog gave him a bite. For the well being of other people he should report this to the authorities who could make an informed decision if any action needs taken against dog owner/dog.tgat doesn't necessarily mean putting the dog down.
 
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Byker28i said:
Horses, yup I'm up for limiting them, don't see the point, especially when people ride them on busy roads, side by side, leaving mess everywhere. Mixing horses with traffic doesn't work, keep them on separate land.
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Riding side by side on a busy road, okay you can have that one (and most sensible riders would agree).

Horse poo is mostly grass, not the same as dog poo.

Unfortunately (and again I suspect most riders would agree) sometimes riding a horse on the road is inevitable (I.e to get from a yard to bridle way). Most of the incidents around here have been caused by irresponsible car drivers or those who seemingly have no idea how to pass a horse safely. Particularly on the quieter (normally narrower) roads.

Remember horses have been on the roads for much longer than cars ;)
 
neil_g said:
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Riding side by side on a busy road, okay you can have that one (and most sensible riders would agree).

Horse poo is mostly grass, not the same as dog poo.

Unfortunately (and again I suspect most riders would agree) sometimes riding a horse on the road is inevitable (I.e to get from a yard to bridle way). Most of the incidents around here have been caused by irresponsible car drivers or those who seemingly have no idea how to pass a horse safely. Particularly on the quieter (normally narrower) roads.

Remember horses have been on the roads for much longer than cars ;)
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I'm fully aware of the highway code and who has right of way However, there have been many motorcyclists killed by horse s*** on the roads. Conversely, there have also been a number of horse riders killed by either by being struck by a vehicle or thrown off. To me the situation is clear and common sense should prevail. The only time a horse should be allowed on the road is in a horse box. Time the law was updated to reflect this.

How did we move from dogs to horses !
 
Blank_Canvas said:
I'm fully aware of the highway code and who has right of way However, there have been many motorcyclists killed by horse s*** on the roads. Conversely, there have also been a number of horse riders killed by either by being struck by a vehicle or thrown off. To me the situation is clear and common sense should prevail. The only time a horse should be allowed on the road is in a horse box. Time the law was updated to reflect this.

How did we move from dogs to horses !
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I'm sure there are far more hazardous things for motor cycles then horse poo. Diesel spillage for example.

Its not hard to drive sensibly around a horse, or groups of horses. Its not like they choose to ride in large numbers on a dual carriage way, and if it takes another minute to get where I'm going so be it
 
boyfalldown said:
I'm sure there are far more hazardous things for motor cycles then horse poo. Diesel spillage for example.
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TBH fresh horse poo = diesel spillage when it comes to sliding off on a bend. If you have a lubricant on the road surface it doesn't really matter what the origin is: gravel washed acropss the road by rain would be just as bad.
 
ancient_mariner said:
TBH fresh horse poo = diesel spillage when it comes to sliding off on a bend. If you have a lubricant on the road surface it doesn't really matter what the origin is: gravel washed acropss the road by rain would be just as bad.
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TBF though, if you can't see & avoid hazards in the road, like say a big steaming pile of horse poo then you possibly shouldn't be riding. Diesel is a bit of a different matter just cause you can't really see it.

How many motor cyclists are killed by horse poo each year?
 
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neil_g said:
At the risk of going off topic..

Riding side by side on a busy road, okay you can have that one (and most sensible riders would agree).

Horse poo is mostly grass, not the same as dog poo.

Unfortunately (and again I suspect most riders would agree) sometimes riding a horse on the road is inevitable (I.e to get from a yard to bridle way). Most of the incidents around here have been caused by irresponsible car drivers or those who seemingly have no idea how to pass a horse safely. Particularly on the quieter (normally narrower) roads.

Remember horses have been on the roads for much longer than cars ;)
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Horse poo is a large quantity , very slippery in consistancy, disgusting to ride through and clean off vehicles.

Perhaps we need a new law to restrict horses to areas where they don't need to travel on well used roads. I've no issue with them on the quiet roads, but we have a number of stables our way, which means riders believe they can ride through busy residential streets, ride across play areas cutting up the surface etc. Try to challenge these riders and they are generally very arrogant and aggressive, especially if they are on a large horse.

Horses on roads more than cars, so what - times move on.

Blank_Canvas said:
I'm fully aware of the highway code and who has right of way However, there have been many motorcyclists killed by horse s*** on the roads. Conversely, there have also been a number of horse riders killed by either by being struck by a vehicle or thrown off. To me the situation is clear and common sense should prevail. The only time a horse should be allowed on the road is in a horse box. Time the law was updated to reflect this.

How did we move from dogs to horses !
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Pet subject of mine. I was knocked from my motorbike once by a horse which wasn't under control. I'd stopped well short to allow two riders to go past as the horse was skittish.

boyfalldown said:
I'm sure there are far more hazardous things for motor cycles then horse poo. Diesel spillage for example.
Its not hard to drive sensibly around a horse, or groups of horses. Its not like they choose to ride in large numbers on a dual carriage way, and if it takes another minute to get where I'm going so be it
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Diesel spillage is very minimal these days. heavy prosecutions and the cost have been major factors in reducing it. Horse mess in rural areas however can be excessive.
 
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Byker28i said:
Horse poo is a large quantity , very slippery in consistancy, disgusting to ride through and clean off vehicles.
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so is mud, shall we make all farm vehicles jetwash before joining a public road?

Perhaps we need a new law to restrict horses to areas where they don't need to travel on well used roads. I've no issue with them on the quiet roads, but we have a number of stables our way, which means riders believe they can ride through busy residential streets,
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i think you need to look up public rights of way, roads (other than those restricted to motorised vehicles, inc motorcycles over something cc, i.e motorways and some dual carriageways) are open to all users.

ride across play areas cutting up the surface etc. Try to challenge these riders and they are generally very arrogant and aggressive, especially if they are on a large horse.
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see my last, is it a right of way that allows horses?

Horses on roads more than cars, so what - times move on.
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where would you like that line drawn? cycles too then i guess as cars are clearly superior?

motorists = hate everyone else on the road
cyclists = hate everyone else on the road
horse riders = hate everyone else on the road
pedestrians = hate everyone else on the road

etc

Pet subject of mine. I was knocked from my motorbike once by a horse which wasn't under control. I'd stopped well short to allow two riders to go past as the horse was skittish.
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without full facts there i wont comment.

Diesel spillage is very minimal these days. heavy prosecutions and the cost have been major factors in reducing it. Horse mess in rural areas however can be excessive.
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i wish. every time it rains round our way its like a shimmering lake of oil on our main roads.
 
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neil_g said:
so is mud, shall we make all farm vehicles jetwash before joining a public road?
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Farmers should be aware of the law,
Highways Act 1980 Section 148 “If without lawful authority or excuse a person deposits anything whatsoever on a highway to the interruption of any user of the highway he is guilty of an offence”
Section 149 of the Highways Act states “if anything is deposited on the highway so as to constitute a nuisance/danger the Highway Authority can require the person who put it there to remove it forthwith”
Highways Act 1980 Section 161 states “If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, deposits anything whatsoever on a highway in consequence of which a user of the highway is injured or endangered, that person is guilty of an offence”. Furthermore, the Road Traffic Act 1988 covers situations where a mechanically propelled vehicle is driven dangerously on a road. Driving dangerously can include driving a vehicle in a state that could cause danger to others.

So yes they should be aware of this is they leave the road in a dangerous condition.
 
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neil_g said:
so is mud, shall we make all farm vehicles jetwash before joining a public road?
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They do on building sites landfill sites etc.
at the very minimum they have a "wheel spinner"
Well the ones I have frequented do.

I always thought it was illegal to drop mud on a public highway
and "mud on road signs" had no validity in law.
After a quick search I only found one "statement of intent" from the police to prosecute Here

Edit Biker was posting while I was typing,
and kinda answered my comments
 
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neil_g said:
i think you need to look up public rights of way,
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Oh I'm not saying they aren't allowed, i'm just suggesting that there should be restrictions on the roads they should be allowed on, based on the lack of common sense (or arrogance) of some riders and the numbers of accidents each year where a horse and vehicle are involved.

As for being knocked from my bike, two riders, very large horses coming the other way, side by side. I could see one horse was skittish and the woman rider was having trouble controlling it as a car went slowly past so I stopped about 50 yards short at the side of the road and waited for them to pass. Horse was all over the road, rider couldn't control it and knocked into me, sending me and my bike into the ditch, the bike on top of me.

Motorist behind came to help, took time to get the bike off me, by which time the riders had gone. I can understand the ned to get the horse under control but they didn't retun, left the scene of the accident. Withut identification the police did nothing and I was left with a large repair bill.
 
The horse kicked you from 50 yards. Blimey what HH was it?

Maybe it is because I live in the country side but I anticipate that there could be poo on the road, that a cyclist could be just beyond that bent, that dogs will be off the lead, that dogs off the lead may be shot in certain fields despite right of way, that cows can be viscous as well when I disturb the in their field, that I don't pass a horse from behind despite my right of way, and that deer can jump into the road. Lots and lots more common sense approaches, and if we are all are just a little bit more aware, drive more slowly and all be less focussed on our rights and little bit more on our own responsibilities we can all get along just fine and in harmony without the need for state interference, mass killings, bans etc.
 
Personally I'd let the farmer know if nothing else. See how he reacts.... It might be the first time it has happened or perhaps, if he gets aggro, it might have happened before, maybe several times. If the latter is undoubtedly the case, then report it further. Give it fair chance and see what the farmer does first. He may just keep that particular dog from going out without him... Hope your leg heals quickly.
 
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Dylanlewis2000 said:
Well, this is a great start to my summer holidays! I was out and about earlier going up to the local highest point - a trip i have done many times before. Part of this route crosses through a farmers house. Its a right of way so traffic / walkers regularly walk through this section of land. As I was walking through three sheep dogs darted out and started barking at me. I calmly continued on with my trek when one decided to nip me on the back of the leg. Unfortunately he did break skin and drew a little blood :-(.

So now I am sitting here in A & E after being advised by NHS to go into hospital. The weird thing is that this place is not even that busy but there is still a three hour wait!

I've taken by laptop so that i can plan a few lessons; anyone got any entertainment ideas for when the laptop battery dies?
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Hope you're ok. Very sensible to go to A+E. Even minor dog bites can turn really nasty.

I agree about reporting it. Owner needs some education.

Let's hope rest of the holiday is less eventful :)
 
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dejongj said:
that cows can be viscous as well when I disturb the in their field,
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Well certainly their "by products" are at times :D
(Sorry :coat: )

dejongj said:
...we can all get along just fine and in harmony without the need for state interference, mass killings, bans etc.
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It would be good wouldn't it?
 
POAH said:
oooh can you imagine a police horse with a speed trap attached to it
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Close and I know its old footage, but it seems that horse box(es) were / have been / still are being used as speed traps Revenue collectors
I mean road safety devices.

 
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ST4 said:
Last time I checked, I could. Would rather not have horses which can be volatile posing a threat to my health and well being.
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really??? best go live in an hermetically sealed padded box, what with all these threats around you. Heaven only knows how the species survived this long
 
dejongj said:
The horse kicked you from 50 yards. Blimey what HH was it?

Maybe it is because I live in the country side but I anticipate that there could be poo on the road, that a cyclist could be just beyond that bent, that dogs will be off the lead, that dogs off the lead may be shot in certain fields despite right of way, that cows can be viscous as well when I disturb the in their field, that I don't pass a horse from behind despite my right of way, and that deer can jump into the road. Lots and lots more common sense approaches, and if we are all are just a little bit more aware, drive more slowly and all be less focussed on our rights and little bit more on our own responsibilities we can all get along just fine and in harmony without the need for state interference, mass killings, bans etc.
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Horse was uncontrolled, moving all over the road, barged into me, sent me flying. Quite big and heavy horses are. Rider didn't stop at the scene of the accident, colleague rode off with her, neither came back.

I also ride responsibly. Have I said that I've come off because of horse mess? What I have said is that I often find horse riders irresponsible in their riding and I consider the mess they leave behind as part of that also. Just because 'we've always done it that way' doesn't mean it's correct today.
 
Was someone asking to ban horses? I was suggesting restricting them away from busy roads as some riders are too irresponsible or arrogant to recognise the risks themselves. And the figures back this up.

Passing too close to cyclist, horse rider or pedestrian‟ was a reported contributory factor in 2,428 road accidents. Of these, 24 were fatal, 375 were classed as serious and 2,029 were slight accidents. (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/9277/rrcgb2011-04.pdf)
 
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