Bite the hand that feeds?

I'm just amazed by how many people see not singing the National Anthem as a National disgrace but the prime minister lying about drug taking and the tax affairs of your mates whilst in office is 'not news'.

The pig thing would have brought down a Labour or Lib Dem Minister at any time during the last 50 years, whether we see it as a real story or not. The press and public opinion (driven by the media) would have made sure of it, in fact even now it'd be the end for a junior minister, but the current Tory party has such great links with the media now that if we found Cameron had raped the Queen it'd be a non-story.
 
I wonder who has the picture, and what position they hold...
 
I find it hard to get all "outraged of Chipping Sodbury" about anything for which I've seen no damning proof.

I couldn't care less either about JC not singing the anthem.
What I do find distasteful is his wish to lead this country as PM, whilst wishing to abolish that on which it is based...the monarchy.
 
viv1969 said:
What I do find distasteful is his wish to lead this country as PM, whilst wishing to abolish that on which it is based...the monarchy.
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Yeah, but it's not though is it? Yeah, the queen has the final say in new laws and has to sign the government in, but the first time she didn't just get on with it and do it, it'd probably be the end of the monarchy anyway.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
Yeah, but it's not though is it? Yeah, the queen has the final say in new laws and has to sign the government in, but the first time she didn't just get on with it and do it, it'd probably be the end of the monarchy anyway.
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Actually, it would be the end of that particular government.
 
neil_g said:
dont really care about either to be honest.
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Really? you don't care that a senior politician accepted millions of £ in party funding from someone he knew to be actively avoiding the paying of millions in tax?

I find it odd that someone wouldn't care about that, where do you draw the line on lying and corruption (not argumentative - curious), surely for democracy to function we need honesty and integrity and for politicians to be above bribery?
 
Phil V said:
Really? you don't care that a senior politician accepted millions of £ in party funding from someone he knew to be actively avoiding the paying of millions in tax?

I find it odd that someone wouldn't care about that, where do you draw the line on lying and corruption (not argumentative - curious), surely for democracy to function we need honesty and integrity and for politicians to be above bribery?
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realistically what is going to happen about it? it'll get a) brushed under the carpet, b) an inquiry will be launched costing millions of pounds to the tax payer. either way i dont think it'll get paid back.
 
Phil V said:
Really? you don't care that a senior politician accepted millions of £ in party funding from someone he knew to be actively avoiding the paying of millions in tax?

I find it odd that someone wouldn't care about that, where do you draw the line on lying and corruption (not argumentative - curious), surely for democracy to function we need honesty and integrity and for politicians to be above bribery?
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Sorry to be pedantic but there is nothing wrong with avoiding tax, however agree if it was evasion. I do think that our politicians are better than most others though, just look at the eu!
 
Phil V said:
Really? you don't care that a senior politician accepted millions of £ in party funding from someone he knew to be actively avoiding the paying of millions in tax?

I find it odd that someone wouldn't care about that, where do you draw the line on lying and corruption (not argumentative - curious), surely for democracy to function we need honesty and integrity and for politicians to be above bribery?
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These are human beings,what do you expect ? get real,the whole thing is rather amusing.
 
viv1969 said:
Actually, it would be the end of that particular government.
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Would it? I am confused by the fixed term government we now have. A genuine question - could a vote of no confidence bring down the government under he present rules?
 
cambsno said:
Sorry to be pedantic but there is nothing wrong with avoiding tax, however agree if it was evasion. I do think that our politicians are better than most others though, just look at the eu!
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But avoiding due to a non-dom status which the PM then had to lie about? We're not talking about ISA's, I find it really serious that people who pay a lot of money to influence British politics do so from abroad for tax reasons. If you think that's perfectly OK then we'll agree to disagree, but I find it immoral, even if it's perfectly legal.
 
ChasG said:
Would it? I am confused by the fixed term government we now have. A genuine question - could a vote of no confidence bring down the government under he present rules?
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Yes.

In theory, royal prerogative means that the queen can dissolve parliament at any time and at her discretion.
 
I'm waiting for Boris Johnson to issue a statement saying that he never did anything stupid in his student days... apart from the time he got really drunk and went to a party dressed as a pig :)
 
Phil V said:
But avoiding due to a non-dom status which the PM then had to lie about? We're not talking about ISA's, I find it really serious that people who pay a lot of money to influence British politics do so from abroad for tax reasons. If you think that's perfectly OK then we'll agree to disagree, but I find it immoral, even if it's perfectly legal.
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Lots of British citizens who aren't residents influence. Yet those who are residents but not citizens can't. Let's take this the whole way.
 
dejongj said:
Lots of British citizens who aren't residents influence. Yet those who are residents but not citizens can't. Let's take this the whole way.
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Whether or not that's the case, I personally believe that it's wrong for a senior political figure to have a non domiciled status, and I also believe that it's wrong for said non-dom to be allowed to gift such a massive sum to a political party.
People who are legally resident here do get to vote don't they? And they can join political parties and even stand for parliament; what kind of influence should they have beyond that?
 
Phil V said:
Whether or not that's the case, I personally believe that it's wrong for a senior political figure to have a non domiciled status, and I also believe that it's wrong for said non-dom to be allowed to gift such a massive sum to a political party.
People who are legally resident here do get to vote don't they? And they can join political parties and even stand for parliament; what kind of influence should they have beyond that?
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No they cannot vote, they have to pay their taxes but cannot vote. I'm not moaning about that as it affects me, I'm merely highlighting that the system is very consistent. Many British citizens have the right to vote and influence without actually ever living in the country. I don't think there is anything particularly unique about lord Ashcroft other than being very very very rich. Oh and how many commonwealth citizens pay their taxes in the uk ;)
 
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Phil V said:
The prime minister being a lying drug taking pig-f****e (allegedly)

I think that passes for news in any context I could imagine.
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most of us have done stupid s*** while p***ed, as students - I got caught trying to unbolt a big yellow telephone from the top of a pizza delivery car - it doesn't really reflect on our competency in our jobs 20 plus years later

I'm more concerned about Cameron alledgedly knowing about the nondom tax thing a year earlier than he said - if that's true he willfully lied to a select committee investigation (and got caught)
 
big soft moose said:
most of us have done stupid s*** while p***ed, as students - I got caught trying to unbolt a big yellow telephone from the top of a pizza delivery car - it doesn't really reflect on our competency in our jobs 20 plus years later

I'm more concerned about Cameron alledgedly knowing about the nondom tax thing a year earlier than he said - if that's true he willfully lied to a select committee investigation (and got caught)
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I did mention the lying...

However - we need to get our collective heads around this 'drunken prank' - this is a bit more than 'rugby club banter'

This is part of an initiation ceremony of very elite students. The whole point of this type of ceremony is to enable the most powerful in society to 'stick together'. When you've got a picture of the PM with his todger in a pigs mouth that should buy you some influence when there's dodgy share dealings to be hushed, or your short sightedness has led to the collapse of a bank ;).

In order to join the Bullingdon Club you have to burn a £50 note in front of a homeless person, isn't this great training for the PM and Chancellor who have overseen the biggest rise in homelessness in history? What a fantastic 'steeling' of the nerve to enable them to create policies that see people made destitute on a regular basis.

Just thinking out loud.
 
Phil V said:
I did mention the lying...

However - we need to get our collective heads around this 'drunken prank' - this is a bit more than 'rugby club banter'

This is part of an initiation ceremony of very elite students. The whole point of this type of ceremony is to enable the most powerful in society to 'stick together'. When you've got a picture of the PM with his todger in a pigs mouth that should buy you some influence when there's dodgy share dealings to be hushed, or your short sightedness has led to the collapse of a bank ;).

In order to join the Bullingdon Club you have to burn a £50 note in front of a homeless person, isn't this great training for the PM and Chancellor who have overseen the biggest rise in homelessness in history? What a fantastic 'steeling' of the nerve to enable them to create policies that see people made destitute on a regular basis.

Just thinking out loud.
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I see it as normal student fraternity stuff. I wouldn't possibly put it online here what we got up to as part of the initiation. Nor at my officers training etc. I don't it should be overthought with some long term plan behind it. In my experience it is all a bit spontaneous and daft fun.
 
dejongj said:
I see it as normal student fraternity stuff. I wouldn't possibly put it online here what we got up to as part of the initiation. Nor at my officers training etc. I don't it should be overthought with some long term plan behind it. In my experience it is all a bit spontaneous and daft fun.
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yep I'd concur - I don't necessarily believe that putting his cock in a dead pigs mouth makes him unfit to be PM - like DJ I couldn't possibly list all the potentially deviant things we got up to in either university or POC

I'd rather judge him on his dubious conduct as PM in the last 5 years
 
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