Biggest photo sin?

Grave Robber said:
If the effects are applied to a good shot to change it from a 'natural' photo to something different - I'm fine with that. Do it myself all the time. But taking a shot with rubbish comp or poor lighting and then artificially enhancing them, or adding 'fake' skies, is going beyond the bounds of phtotgraphy IMO ;)
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Well I guess you have to give the photographer credit for taking the good sky to begin with !! :lol:

Have to agree that trying to use effects to salvage a poor shot in the first place is definitely a no-no....

Steve
 
People who convert images to B&W without actually toning it. Then they claim that their rubbish B&W conversions are awesome. B&W=/=INSTART.
 
Before applying any pp the shot should be good technically but people forget that.
 
Biggest sin...?

Shooting without intention
 
Wonky horizons make me want to spit! lts fundamental stuff, surely?

Yes, OOF drives me a bit nuts too....l discard any shot thats out of focus....but at times l do try and save the occasional top shot l can't get again if its a bit OOF. Sometimes it works...by making the focus a feature.
 
An out of focus shot can still have merit in being posted, if say for a rare bird sighting and is acknowledged as such, and can still stimulate a good discussion and comments. I’ve also seen a few ‘OOF’ portraits on here that have worked well.

Admittedly most ‘out of focus’ shots posted are down to poor technique or inexperience, both which are, in my view, still worthy of being posted. One would like to think that people take on board constructive C+C and learn from it. You can certainly see on the forums how some members have progressed with their technique over time have improved. You can also quickly judge who is interested in improving and who is not.

It’s all too easy to get carried away when you get your first camera and post every shot you take. Experience comes with time, practice and listening.

RobertP said:
I don't like most mono shots I see because they nearly all look like they were made mono for no apparent reason other than they could. Now I probably miss some good pictures as I move on the moment I see mono, so I'm equally guilty of avoiding repeating similar comments. Plus I know hardly anyone would agree with me :lol:
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Black & white photography use to be a passion of mine way back in my 35mm days some 25 years. Some shots certainly benefit from being B+W.

I’ve been looking for these for sometime now:

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Grave Robber said:
I think it's ok to do that maybe once a day maximum. Some people post loads every day and never bother commenting on anybody else's work - bit selfish I think.
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You will always have those that just post for the ‘look at my shot, love me, love me’ feedback and never give anything back in return.


Posting my shots on here has certainly made me be a lot more critical of my own work. It’s not so much that I dread negative feedback, just that I want to only post shots I’m +90% happy with myself. Seeing some of the shots posted on here by people has certainly raised my own personal bar.


Pirate Neilsouth said:
Crap photo's get more attention :p
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There is some truth in that Neil but that is not entirely a bad thing if people learn from it, (and not just the person who originally posted the shot). I have learned a few things from reading C+C on others shots, benefiting without taking the personal pain!
 
foodpoison said:
Its appalling, but I do that.
Our photography teacher was abysmal, and didn't explain anything until the last minute, and so we were forced to go out and take pictures relevant to a theme we were given.
In turn, it caused us to HAVE to write balloni about the photos, since in the exam board's eyes, EVERY photo HAS to have a meaning.
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At least you know it's appalling. If you're doing it because you're instructed to do so as part of a course, you're not to blame. It's your course leader! Apologies if I've caused offence though.

Regarding the whole 'commenting on other people's pictures' thing; I spend half my time on here doing that, and it's relatively rare I'll post something of my own for c&c. Reason? I can often see what's wrong with my own images, I don't need other people to tell me ;) Also by looking at other people's work I develop a better understanding of my own.
 
Certainly I never cease to be surprised by he number of soft (not necessarily oof images) we see here.

I'm not sure what the reason is, probably a lot of out and out beginners lack a benchmark for what a sharp image should look like, and also consider the image out of the camera a done deal as far as sharpening is concerned, which seems be a popular misconception. I think possibly the reason is that newcomers don't associate digital photography with any processing being needed at all.
 
If complete beginners don`t post "not very good" images on here and the more experienced togs don`t comment and criticize,then how do we improve?

I know that I have and still do post images that some of the experts on here consider crap, but them saying so and saying why helps me improve.

Y`all were beginners once over.....:)

My tuppence h`apenny.
 
I'm sorry, it's slightly off topic, but what's the difference between soft and oof ? (I'd thought they were the same thing)
 
Photographers who are up their own a***s and think it's below them to comment on a beginners oof badly composed image. Isn't some of the purpose of the forum to give advice and help one another improve. Some of the comments in this thread are really getting up my nose.
 
One big sin is not to take photos, and a bigger one is to put someone off taking them through lack of thought if they are not the sort of thing you personally like (not talking about criticism of pics posted for that on here!)

As to posting them on forums I try not to :lol: I reckon I have pretty much all the technical faults that have been listed in this thread so I'm probably doing several of you a huge favour by not putting mine up :lol:
as examples I do not always focus on the eye but then I am not doing portraits and getting the eye of something moving and turning at 30mph from 90 mtrs away is not the easiest thing to do ;) I also know that mine are not sharp enough, but since I don't have the best screen (for images) on the laptop its not easy to process the way you lot do - will be interesting to see what the difference is when I get the pc going!!

People on here are very helpful and knowledgable, I know I for one have learnt a hell of a lot from you and had a lot of very construtive help by pm, but remember that there are beginners looking at threads like this who see their shots straight from the camera and really do want to know how to improve but who may be put off posting because they feel they are not up to what they percieve as your technical standards.
 
CT said:
Certainly I never cease to be surprised by he number of soft (not necessarily oof images) we see here.
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jgs001 said:
I'm sorry, it's slightly off topic, but what's the difference between soft and oof ? (I'd thought they were the same thing)
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Well there are lots of reasons a photo can look soft - poor quality lenses, or too many of them (cheap teleconverters perhaps?) Also camera shake due to handheld, low shutter speeds. Or just poor technique!

A lot of novice compact digicam owners forget to press the shutter half-way to focus every shot, so if you take a few of the same subject and it's moved slightly, they will be OOF. DSLR owners have no excuse for OOF pictures because AF systems are so good, and you can change the focus points easily, as well as maintaining focus by keeping the shutter pressed halfway. If beginners try to focus manually and get it wrong, I can forgive that because it can be tricky on many DSLRs.
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thanks for the explanation, I think I've got it. Soft = blurred due to motion or glass etc but may still have sharp focus. OOF = the lens was bringing the light from the source to a focus at a point in front of or behind the sensor.
 
lol. I did that with my other half's camera today!

My excuse is that I'm not used to it being on a piece of string!
 
You are right about focus-but if it is poorly composed it is never gonna look dynamic and in ya face.

Good photography is these basic things. Focus. Exposure. composition
 
After all this i will be expecting top notch sharp shots :) ...


or you're going to hell:bat:
 
Duckydoodle said:
Photographers who are up their own a***s and think it's below them to comment on a beginners oof badly composed image. Isn't some of the purpose of the forum to give advice and help one another improve. Some of the comments in this thread are really getting up my nose.
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If i was to do ...

:popcorn:


Would it be trolling ?

How is being an begginer at photography a sin... beats me:thinking:

PS, I like you scrappy doo under your name :D:lol::lol::lol:
 
I've read some of this thread but admittedly, not all. There is a fair pinch of good sense and some total pish.

The biggest sin in photography surely is thinking that it actually matters. I've said it a million times before and I don't see myself stopping any time soon........ The only thing that matters in any art is the passion that drives it.

True art doesn't care if the whole world loves it or loathes it. It's created purely for the joy it brings the creator to have made it.

Little green squares, flashes popping up, OOF pics, lousy composition...... who cares. I'd rather be with one passionate snapper that wont get a single shot than 10 seasoned folks that all miss the point.

Who's next with the soap box??? :lol:
 
here' some food for thought or fuel on the fire what ever way you want to look at it.

I've just got back from a weekends photography tuition and the guy teaching said to me that one of the biggest differences between pros and amatures is how sharp the images are, and what amatures will accept as being sharp.
 
dazzajl said:
I've read some of this thread but admittedly, not all. There is a fair pinch of good sense and some total pish.

The biggest sin in photography surely is thinking that it actually matters. I've said it a million times before and I don't see myself stopping any time soon........ The only thing that matters in any art is the passion that drives it.

True art doesn't care if the whole world loves it or loathes it. It's created purely for the joy it brings the creator to have made it.

Little green squares, flashes popping up, OOF pics, lousy composition...... who cares. I'd rather be with one passionate snapper that wont get a single shot than 10 seasoned folks that all miss the point.

Who's next with the soap box??? :lol:
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totally agree - while out at the weekend we tried shooting some star trails and after setting up the camera we had well over an hour to kill. So while i stood stearing at the sky the other got back in the car for a quick nap:bonk::cuckoo::bonk:

All i could think was what's the point of trying for the pics if you cant apreshate the beauty of the seen your shooting.
 
Toothie said:
here' some food for thought or fuel on the fire what ever way you want to look at it.

I've just got back from a weekends photography tuition and the guy teaching said to me that one of the biggest differences between pros and amatures is how sharp the images are, and what amatures will accept as being sharp.
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Oh totally agree. I know I have looked at shots I would never give to a client and thought that I'll save it as I do like something about it and it will go to 10*8..... just.

To me that's just the difference between art and business. :)
 
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Glad we're both totally agreed then. :D
 
I think the original post was the one that irked me the most to be honest. I apologise for making such a sweeping statement in the 2nd half of my post.
Have had a bad day feeling a bit down in the dumps and it just felt like a thread that would be discouraging to beginners just joining the site and it got me hot under the collar. Forgive my outburst have taken a deep breath and some chill pills.
 
the title Ignore this thread makes me want to look at it even more,

reverse pshycology or somethin
 
jgs001 said:
I'm sorry, it's slightly off topic, but what's the difference between soft and oof ? (I'd thought they were the same thing)
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Well.. the classic soft images we see here are the ones which have been previously sharp at full resolution, but have lost sharpness due to being reduced to web size, which they always will. I'd draw a distinction between those images and those which were oof at the time of taking.
 
I agree david bridges, i came for a look becasue it told me not to
 
OK, before i start, i really don't want to upset anyone, but this is the second thread i've seen today which has actually quite upset me.

I love being part of this forum, there are some tremendous people hrere and the talent is amazing. My own photography is as basic as it comes, but its something I enjoy. It takes me enough nerve to post photos hoping for constuctive critisim, and maybe, just possibly, someone might like it! This is such a friendly forum, I would hate to think that threads like this would put people off from posting, after all, this isn't a business where people are claiming to be giving you a service, its a forum which has members that range from absolute beginner to the proffesional.

Duckydoodle said:
Photographers who are up their own a***s and think it's below them to comment on a beginners oof badly composed image. Isn't some of the purpose of the forum to give advice and help one another improve. Some of the comments in this thread are really getting up my nose.
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dazzajl said:
I've read some of this thread but admittedly, not all. There is a fair pinch of good sense and some total pish.

The biggest sin in photography surely is thinking that it actually matters. I've said it a million times before and I don't see myself stopping any time soon........ The only thing that matters in any art is the passion that drives it.

True art doesn't care if the whole world loves it or loathes it. It's created purely for the joy it brings the creator to have made it.

Little green squares, flashes popping up, OOF pics, lousy composition...... who cares. I'd rather be with one passionate snapper that wont get a single shot than 10 seasoned folks that all miss the point.

Who's next with the soap box??? :lol:
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:clap::clap::clap:
 
Well I'm one of those noob's and relative beginners who could have been put off by this, rather its encouraged to find images with a meaning before releasing the shutter.

Maybe a +ve?
 
What a crappy thread - all I can say, don't be scared to post crap shots, if you like them, job done! C&C is massively important in order to learn and if your scared to post, you wont get the C&C.

I honestly think 99.9% of my shots are complete and uttur pish, but I post them to find out why I feel they are missing the mark. I often look at a shot and desperately want to like it, and cant work out what it is which annoys me with it - post here, and you often get told about a technical error or poor judgement which will *hopefully* sink in and eventually help you improve.

I think all noobs and novices deserve a big break, and a huge pat on the back for having the balls to post images into a group were they are literally swimming amongst sharks at times :(

Chin up noobs and novices, the only way is up for us :D
 
I posted my fighting Heron shots yesterday knowing that they were far from brilliant, I just though some poeple may have never seen them scrapping and would like to.


Thats my excuse for posting crap photos anyway............:lol::lol::lol:
 
EdinburghGary said:
What a crappy thread - all I can say, don't be scared to post crap shots, if you like them, job done! C&C is massively important in order to learn and if your scared to post, you wont get the C&C.

I honestly think 99.9% of my shots are complete and uttur pish, but I post them to find out why I feel they are missing the mark. I often look at a shot and desperately want to like it, and cant work out what it is which annoys me with it - post here, and you often get told about a technical error or poor judgement which will *hopefully* sink in and eventually help you improve.

I think all noobs and novices deserve a big break, and a huge pat on the back for having the balls to post images into a group were they are literally swimming amongst sharks at times :(

Chin up noobs and novices, the only way is up for us :D
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I agree with that Gary, but the sharks in this water arn't so scary;)
 
fracster said:
I posted my fighting Heron shots yesterday knowing that they were far from brilliant, I just though some poeple may have never seen them scrapping and would like to.


Thats my excuse for posting crap photos anyway............:lol::lol::lol:
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and I for one found them interesting :thumbs:

And I notice the words from the original start of the thread are missing.
I'm wondering why :thinking:
 
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