Big problem with new tyres

neil_g said:
definitely an odd impact looking mark on the sidewall.
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Look at my comment above. This more likely a careless fitting or kf white gunk mark.
 
to be honest I'm not sure what you want us to say - thre people (four with me) have now said that looks like impact damage - you can shake your head and say ohnononono as much as you want, but if it looks like impact damage to us, and kwik fit say its impact damage and won't cough up ... chances are good your CC may conclude its impact damage and nothing to do with kwikfit

whether its actually impact damage or not is going to be less important than what it looks like .
 
Why don't you buy runflats if sidewall stiffness is your thing? In fact you can even get Goodyear Efficient Grips as runflats!
 
daugirdas said:
Maybe I'll Just buy a Porsche Caynne tomorrow - that's got big wheels :LOL:
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For someone who freely admits to crashing through potholes and up kerbs I think one if these might be more suitable than a Cayenne ;).

They should be available on the 2nd hand market now...

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there's probably a fair few warriors going cheap though
 
big soft moose said:
to be honest I'm not sure what you want us to say - thre people (four with me) have now said that looks like impact damage - you can shake your head and say ohnononono as much as you want, but if it looks like impact damage to us, and kwik fit say its impact damage and won't cough up ... chances are good your CC may conclude its impact damage and nothing to do with kwikfit

whether its actually impact damage or not is going to be less important than what it looks like .
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In all fairness I have asked for advice how to best complain about the fact, not comment about it. Can we leave this for my bank experts to decide on?

Dave1 said:
For someone who freely admits to crashing through potholes and up kerbs I think one if these might be more suitable than a Cayenne ;).

They should be available on the 2nd hand market now...

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What's the MPG? and do they have them in full crocodile leather interior? :)

I fully admit DRIVING in GLASGOW. However many other people do and their tyres still function today. Maybe I should get a heli instead to avoid the endless pothole? How the hell did I survive for 2 years on previous set without a serious crash must be a biblical miracle FFS.
 
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Spuff said:
Why don't you buy runflats if sidewall stiffness is your thing? In fact you can even get Goodyear Efficient Grips as runflats!
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I would if I was buying that stupid tyre today. I am rather glad I am getting rid of those poor handling jellies. I never needed runflats until I fitted those, so how would I know?
 
daugirdas said:
In all fairness I have asked for advice how to best complain about the fact, not comment about it.
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fine - and my (our) advice is not to make an arse out of yourself by complaining about something which is pretty much proved by your own photos not to be a manufacturing fault. If you must complain rather than taking it on the chin, then the CC company is the only way to go as KF may fold in front of them , not because they are wrong, but because they don't want an expensive fight with an equally large adversary

complaining about pothole to the council is also going to be fruitless, as you pretty much have to prove it happened on a specific pothole on a specific day , - saying that in general their roads are rougher than a badgers arse, while true , isn't likely to be successful
 
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big soft moose said:
complaining about pothole to the council is also going to be fruitless, as you pretty much have to prove it happened on a specific pothole on a specific day , - saying that in general their roads are rougher than a badgers arse, while true , isn't likely to be successful
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How do you tell council to sort out the roads? We pay council tax and deserve better. Road marking are almost completely gone, potholes are one continuos mess, and nothing is done to enforce the order on the road (e.g. speeding at 40+ in 30mph Clyde tunnel by pretty much everyone so far)
 
Maybe the money intended for the road repairs in Glasgow has been hijacked to fund the referendum!
 
As someone with a bit of a reputation for complaining about things I am not happy about, I really cannot see the angle of "attack" you are going for here.

As others have said regards the photo's.. it does look like impact damge. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are it is a ???
 
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daugirdas said:
Goodyear admits that themselves, I don't know why I need to force that through there?
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I very much doubt that the Goodyear side walls are much softer than any other leading brand. If they are they will still be within guidelines. You have to ask yourself why only one of the pair of tyres that you bought has a bulge in the side wall. Every chance two tyres bought at the same time were manufactured in the same batch and highly unlikely that only one the tyre in that batch would have a defect. Also it is possible to hit a kerb or even park on a kerb where just the side wall sits on the kerb taking the corner weight of the car on the sidewall instead of the tyre tread. This is highly unlikely to leave a lasting mark on the tyre but will likely damage the sidewall ending up in a bulge. To be honest, from some of your comments, you do give the impression that you don't really take care in the manner of how you treat the tyres.
Not really sure what experts you think a credit card company will have in tyres either.
 
onomatopoeia said:
They won't have any.
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My thoughts exactly, can't see them paying out to have the tyre independently tested either. Most they'd do is ask someone for their opinion from a visual check and highly likely the same reply will be given as has been found from many in this thread.
 
i read through some of your other car related threads and it seems you have used 9 garages in your area for various things and they are all useless
you had previous issues with brake pads which pretty much anybody who can change a wheel could replace yet the garage that did it were useless, not meant to offend just my observation
ever thought of a bus and train
 
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I had good year efficient grips on my old E320cdi. Lovely tyre for handling, noise supression and wear but a tad fragile...I've driven a route (Dukes pass, not a great road many times, the good years punctured, non of the others did. its a bit rough but nothing that would cause impact damage. Rubbish tyre. Fit conti 3's or Michelin PS3 or Khumo and save some cash
 
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terryuk said:
i read through some of your other car related threads and it seems you have used 9 garages in your area for various things and they are all useless
you had previous issues with brake pads which pretty much anybody who can change a wheel could replace yet the garage that did it were useless, not meant to offend just my observation
ever thought of a bus and train
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That is just plain ridiculous. You can go and have 3 hour journey to work on smelly, overpriced and influenza-infested public transport if you like. Yeah, all the bad garages must be also my fault, isn't it? The garage that intentionally put the worst cheapest brakes they had is surely my fault again. Everything that goes wrong to me is my fault, but I may rightly guess if anything happened to you then it is not your fault, because why would it be? And driving an underperforming unsafe car is surely again completely fine. It is only a risk of death, which is not that big deal at then end of the day.

I am only glad TP doesn't process credit card and other legal claims. That would be a total disaster. Maybe stick to photography instead on here?

I will ask the mods to lock this idiotic thread once and for all please. Thanks.
 
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I think I can safely say, that not many people are sprouting idiocy in this thread - certainly not terryuk!

I think I can also safely say, there's nothing "unfit for purpose" about Goodyear tyres.
 
daugirdas said:
That is just plain ridiculous. You can go and have 3 hour journey to work on smelly, overpriced and influenza-infested public transport if you like. Yeah, all the bad garages must be also my fault, isn't it? The garage that intentionally put the worst cheapest brakes they had is surely my fault again. Everything that goes wrong to me is my fault, but I may rightly guess if anything happened to you then it is not your fault, because why would it be? And driving an underperforming unsafe car is surely again completely fine. It is only a risk of death, which is not that big deal at then end of the day.

I am only glad TP doesn't process credit card and other legal claims. That would be a total disaster. Maybe stick to photography instead on here?

I will ask the mods to lock this idiotic thread once and for all please. Thanks.
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Well I used to be involved in the resolution of credit card claims for a couple of years and to be honest I would say its about 50/50 that you'd get your money back here, as you cannot make a claim based on breach of contract so your going to have to argue its defective, but they may well ask you to prove its defective and not actually damage you've caused in the way you've driven the car...it's also down to if the supplier protests the dispute, they may decide is not worth the hassle but they may not...

Some credit cards offer a form of purchase protection cover that would be the most likely avenue of redress

As to asking for the thread to be locked just because people don't agree with you, the less said about that the better but I hope it doesn't get locked...nobody has attacked you so there is not reason for it to be locked
 
onomatopoeia said:
I can comment on these, as I use them on a mid-engine, rear wheel drive car with ~250bhp. They provide plenty of cornering grip and only understeer if I use the throttle in a way to deliberately induce understeer. I have not had any problems with potholes, and the roads were pretty shocking here last year (the milder winter this year has meant there are a lot less around now).
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can you explain to a novice driver like me how you do this ?
 
daugirdas said:
I am only glad TP doesn't process credit card and other legal claims. That would be a total disaster. Maybe stick to photography instead on here?
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I didn't reply in your thread as a photographer, you do realise many users here aren't full time photographers? My comments and opinions were made from my experience in a previous job that included investigation of motor vehicle collisions.


daugirdas said:
I will ask the mods to lock this idiotic thread once and for all please. Thanks.
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Matt has already addressed this, poor attitude, you don't like the answers so call everyone idiots and want the thread locked?
 
daugirdas said:
I will ask the mods to lock this idiotic thread once and for all please. Thanks.
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A couple of points.... as much as it would help us no end, typing loudly and in bold does not get our attention any more easily than normal typing - we are not telepathic and dont look at every thread. If you want moderator attention, the more usual way is to use the RTM button.

Secondly, I don't actually see any reason to close the thread at this point, however if you think there is good reason, please do use that rtm button to let the staff know and it will be considered.

Thanks.
 
donut said:
can you explain to a novice driver like me how you do this ?
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Yes, works best on wet roundabouts, and front wheel drive.. Assuming uk, and not exiting the roundabout your front wheels will be angling right... in a low enough gear, say 2nd or maybe 3rd depending on size of roundabout - bury the throttle - wheels will stay turned right but you'll go straight (which is understeer.) sudden lift off will probably drag the back end round. (oversteer)

Please note, this is not advice or a suggestion to go give it a try, but merely an explanation as to how it happens...
 
donut said:
can you explain to a novice driver like me how you do this ?
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For dry tarmac, with a free differential ... In my cars, which are rear wheel drive and either rear or mid engine, once the car has settled from turn in on a long sweeping corner and cornering at part throttle on the limit of adhesion for the speed you are going, apply more throttle. The weight transfer will be to the back of the car, meaning the front wheels lose grip. As they are already at the limit of adhesion, the car will tend to go in a straight line. The effect seems more pronounced in high gears for the same speed on the same corner, never been able to work that one out - someone did start talking to me about "torque multiplication" but even though I used to be quite good at physics, the explanation defeated me.

Similarly, reducing throttle input for the same steering angle will transfer weight to the front, so the rear wheels can potentially lose grip and slide, causing oversteer. If you suddenly come right off the throttle in that situation, the car can end up going backwards at 100mph. I might have done this in competition, trying to brake as late as possible approaching on a left hander for a right hand hairpin, much to the amusement of the corner marshalls. I'd spun before I even got to the brake pedal :oops: :$

All of the above depends on a variety of factors, such as weight distribution, suspension geometry, spring and damper rates etc. I'm not good at this driving stuff despite years of trying, I've just lost control of the car in a variety of interesting and different ways in competition :exit: and tried to learn from it.
 
Donut, PLEASE note that neither of the methods used above should be tried by a novice driver on the road! By all means give it a whirl on a race track or similar but not where the rest of the world could get caught up in the aftermath of an experiment gone wrong...
 
Nod [and Mark and Lynton] PLEASE note that donut is not a novice driver ;) Nor is he a novice pi$$-taker :LOL:
 
Yves Geza said:
Nod [and Mark and Lynton] PLEASE note that donut is not a novice driver ;) Nor is he a novice pi$$-taker :LOL:
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lies all lies ,,,,ive only been driving for thirty five years ,,,,and i havnt had a break yet !

Mark ,,,it was a genuine question ,i was trying to understand how you would be able to get understeer using the throttle in a rwd vehicular ,,,my experience being on normal roads in fairly normal conditions ,,,,so never on the limit as on a racetrack ,,,,but it makes sense now you have explained it ,,,,,i knew about lift off oversteer ,but had never really thought about boot down understeer if running right at the limit ,,,,,,,,,,,,mind you im sure my ole lady gets it everytime she goes shopping ( in her ford fusion 1.4 diesel )
 
Understeer is easy in a front wheel drive car, quite hard to achieve in a rwd car. Usually it's too much power onto the driven wheels so you get oversteer on the back end trying to step out. A novice panics, takes their foot off the power and the back end will snap the other way due to the braking effect of the engine.

I know this from departing castle Coombe circuit at follys at 130mph into the long grass in the middle of the circuit.

The correct procedure is to remove the force causing the oversteer, the throttle, without imbalancing the car, by dipping the clutch and then remove throttle. A valuable lesson learnt that day.
 
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