Better start hoarding velvia!

[srichards]

http://www.bjp-online.com/british-j.../fujifilm-discontinues-two-professional-films

Velvia 50 & 100f discontinued.

 

[menthel]

100f discontinued in all formats and 50 in LF (5x4 and 8x10). Makes it slightly less sensationalist but still not a good sign. Mind you I never got on with the stuff anyway!

 

[joxby]

http://www.bjp-online.com/british-j.../fujifilm-discontinues-two-professional-films100f discontinued.

 

[joxby]

The consensus is, the UK gets it up the bum as usual.

We're still waiting for the discontinuation of Neopan 400 120, that was earmarked 2 years ago.
Whilst its gone from the UK, everybody else on Earth can buy it just fine...thankyouverymuch.
It seems quite often the announcement of a cut line, especially in the UK press, applies to the UK market regardless of the language they use on FujiFilm UK website.
I mean, when they say they are going to cease production, that's pretty final.....except it isn't, they just never say its the UK only, cos lots more peeps would get the hump because its the UK only.

Damage limitation mebbe

 

[srichards]

If it is available ok outside of the UK then is it easier to buy it from another EU country?

 

[joxby]

I dunno, s'pose there'll be a hefty surcharge for UK bound discontinued films though.

7Day are saying they've cleaned Fuji UK out of 50 & 100F..

[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial]Insane bargain alert……. We have cleared Fuji UK out of all of their stock to deliver you a stonking film deal. Incredibly limited stock at this price ...[/FONT]

but they would say that wouldn't they....

 

[robhooley167]

If it is available ok outside of the UK then is it easier to buy it from another EU country?

Quite easy to buy from Japan, Japanexposures carry some discontinued stuff
In the EU though Maco Direct stock Astia in a few sizes

So there are options

 

[Superewza]

Fujifilm tells BJP that its Velvia 50 will continue to be distributed in 35mm and 120 formats.

That's something at least. Seems the crackdown on movie film stock is not only forcing small cinemas to close down, losing tons of jobs and making it much more difficult to archive/retrieve works - it seems to me that it's having quite the knock on effect with still photography.

 

[freecom2]

We're still waiting for the discontinuation of Neopan 400 120, that was earmarked 2 years ago.
Whilst its gone from the UK, everybody else on Earth can buy it just fine...thankyouverymuch.

Judging from some of the US based fora like APUG and the international fora like rangefinderforum, it seems like Neopan 400 in 120 isn't really available anywhere? If you have a link for its availability in another country I'd appreciate knowing, I really wanted to try it!

And the UK were the last people on Earth to have access to Neopan 1600 - seriously, take a look anywhere on the net, it started drying up far earlier than it did so in the UK. 7dayshop said they had the last of the remaining stock to be selling off, which they did up to ~2 months ago.

 

[joxby]

I don't have a link and 120 may well be running out :shrug:, and 135 it seems, I didn't like 400 so I've not really payed it much attention.
Shot a couple of rolls, it was quite muddy, preferred 100 and 1600.
TBF, I'm not feeling much for the loss of one 400 speed b/w, the loss of Velvia 50 and 100F has much more of an impact.
Astia has a unique look too, these 3 and kodachrome were the crown jewels of slide if you ask me..

Are they cutting just UK supply ??.....I dunno

So I guess I object to the spin language they put in their press releases, the idea that Astia is too expensive to ship, the way they suggest they are still committed to the manufacture of a wide range of films whilst continually cutting lines, they have no 50 speed film now, no tungsten WB film, they only really make 10 films in total, Ilford do that and they only make B/W, they are but a blip on the landscape compared to fujifilm.

 

[Superewza]

So I guess I object to the spin language they put in their press releases, the idea that Astia is too expensive to ship, the way they suggest they are still committed to the manufacture of a wide range of films whilst continually cutting lines, they have no 50 speed film now, no tungsten WB film, they only really make 10 films in total, Ilford do that and they only make B/W, they are but a blip on the landscape compared to fujifilm.

The article says they'll still be making Velvia 50 in 35 and 120

 

[ChrisR]

Have I got this right; they are discontinuing Velvia 100f but not Velvia 100? The dreaded Ken Rockwell says

Fuji Velvia 100 is my favorite ISO 100 film, while ISO 50 Velvia remains my favorite film, period. Velvia 100, introduced in June 2005, is completely different from Velvia 100F introduced in 2003.

I prefer the warmer yellows of the ISO 50 versions, while this ISO 100 version has better skin tones and cooler yellows than the ISO 50 Velvias. Velvia 100 is more vivid than Velvia 100F and as vivid as ISO 50 Velvia.

and also...

I never liked the 100F, it has duller colors...

 

[joxby]

The article says they'll still be making Velvia 50 in 35 and 120

well thanks for that

between you and freecom that was my last leg

now go get me a chair




what can I say, I'm emotional...

100F.....is the kiddies snot danglers

I like 50, but my top tipple is 100F,

Velvia 100f isn't colour neg, but that's my pick.....
first of all its bladdy beautiful, and second it has a later reciprocity failure level and resistance to colour casts compared with velvia 50 blah blah blah and third its bladdy beautiful...

For scapes my first choice is Velvia 100F, ..

Velvia 100F is my go to for any kind of scape, in fact its all I use.

I prefer 100F to 100 or 50.

I prefer Velvia 100F for anything with no skin in it..

I probably wouldn't bother with colour if there was no 100F...:|

oh....and Velvia 100F, no technicals, simply cos its lovely..

oh yes...I'm a 100f man myself, but..
a first look at a 6x6 slide is guaranteed to knock you on you're arse.

100f

I like girls too....but....uhh

100f
girls
100f
girls......100f......girls.........gawd:shrug:

 

[freecom2]

well thanks for that

between you and freecom that was my last leg

now go get me a chair

That's always the problem between headlines & the detail - the detail is never properly conveyed, especially with the notoriously difficult Fuji press releases.

 

[Morinaka]

Fuji are just continuing to clean up their lines, no offence joxby but Velvia 100F was made to solve a problem that didn't need solving, if you wanted better colours for people or normal colours you go for Provia 100F or in the past Astia.

Velvia 100 is basically the same as 50 but an extra stop faster, i've shot both and can't tell the difference, i'm guessing Fuji wants people to switch to Velvia 100 so it doesn't have to produce two similar products when one will do, if you shot 50 in LF just go for Velvia 100 now, you're sitll OK if you shoot 35mm or 120 for now but give Velvia 100 a go anyway.

 

[joxby]

No offence taken but you kinda prove my point.
I've shot all 3, I can't tell the difference between 50 & 100, so why not cut one of those instead.
I dunno about 100F and skin, if it was really developed for that reason, it was a fail, but by happy accident they created a Velvia that was significantly different to set it apart as an alternative to the orangey reds of what existed.
Bottom line is, if not enough peeps are buying it, it'll get cut.
On the other hand, cutting 100F may streamline production of 50 & 100..:shrug:


Either way, I dunno why I'm complaining, I've shot stuff all for 6 months...duh



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[Morinaka]

It was made to "correct" Velvia's red tints which kind of missed the point of Velvia really, it's meant to have that warm saturated pop to it, that's why people used it.

Most of this is moot nowadays anyway as you can't optically print from slides anymore so it's all digital scans now which can easily be changed to match any minor variation in colour saturation. I mean Velvia 100 is very slightly less red in the orange and yellows than 50 but you can add that to them in Lightroom or PS easily enough after scanning.
If you like to optically project your slides (which limits you to 35mm 99% of the time unless you have the money for MF projectors) the difference might be important, but it's pretty much the only reason to prefer one over the other now and even then the difference isn't huge enough.

 

[Nguss]

I have seen a few photos at Tim Parkin's excellent site on landscape which seems to suggest that 100 is slightly more contrasty. I have not used 100 yet but wondered if anyone has experience of this? Personally I am gutted as 50 is all I use in colour 4x5.

 

[joxby]

It was made to "correct" Velvia's red tints which kind of missed the point of Velvia really, it's meant to have that warm saturated pop to it, that's why people used it.

Most of this is moot nowadays anyway as you can't optically print from slides anymore so it's all digital scans now which can easily be changed to match any minor variation in colour saturation. I mean Velvia 100 is very slightly less red in the orange and yellows than 50 but you can add that to them in Lightroom or PS easily enough after scanning.
If you like to optically project your slides (which limits you to 35mm 99% of the time unless you have the money for MF projectors) the difference might be important, but it's pretty much the only reason to prefer one over the other now and even then the difference isn't huge enough.

You're not making a case for either 50 or 100 over 100F, unless you're saying the difference isn't sufficient to keep 100F, which is an opinion that appears to go against a consensus.....which is fine.

I mean, you can't have it both ways, it doesn't have your warm saturated pop, but its not different enough.


You seem to be making a case for not shooting Velvia or even slide, at all.....which is also fine.

 

[Morinaka]

You're not making a case for either 50 or 100 over 100F, unless you're saying the difference isn't sufficient to keep 100F, which is an opinion that appears to go against a consensus.....which is fine.

I mean, you can't have it both ways, it doesn't have your warm saturated pop, but its not different enough.

I mean the difference between 50 and 100 (not F) is minor enough that one can be made to resemble the other easily in post after scanning, so even if Fuji decided to drop 50 for 100 in 35mm and 120 it wouldn't be the end of the world.

As for 100F like i said it was made to solve a problem that didn't really need solving, the redness of Velvia. If you wanted that pop you shot Velvia why try to change it? They didn't make it hugely different but it was different enough that it didn't have that Velvia pop to it. It's not like they didn't have other more flexible slide films when it came to colour, Provia 100F springs to mind. If you like the film then it's annoying, everyone has their favourite emulsions and are sad to see them go.

You seem to be making a case for not shooting Velvia or even slide, at all.....which is also fine.

Well with the death of optical slide prints the pros for slide shooting decrease, the only reason i see to shoot it now over colour negative films are for the colours and the ability to project it, and if you don't have, or plan to get a projector the reason is basically colour.

Saying this it's amazing how little some films differ and how easy you can make one film look like many others with some simple post work, this Film Photography Podcast flickr thread from a while ago is an interesting example.

 

[joxby]

We all have our own ideas about what we want.

I treat slides differently to negs because they are a finished article, they are beautiful in their own right, as they are.
I don't want scans, therefore I don't need digital alterations, and I don't need prints, all I need is the film...........lol.
Its nice to be able to share but realistically that isn't possible without seeing them first hand.
I would expect this ideal to become more and more important the further up the format scale we go, but....I dunno now......you talk about scans, PS, corrections, digi prints, projectors when those things don't seem relevant at all.
Maybe peeps just want to share at the expense of everything else, like if it can't be shared on screen, there's no point in doing it..:shrug:

Can nobody be happy just owning slides, granted 35mm is stretching it a bit but MF and upwards is boodiful..

 

[Morinaka]

I won't deny looking at slides is cool and merely having that ability is nicer than negative films.
When i say projectors i don't mean digital projectors i mean 35mm optical projectors (medium format ones exist but they cost a few grand), i got mine for free and i can project my slides up to 4ft wide on my bedroom wall, if you think looking at slides on a light table is is nice projecting them is much better.

 

[joxby]

huh ??

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-Rolls-Fuji-Velvia-100F-RVP-120

 

[joxby]

They're also advertising a 10 pack...

 

[timparkin]

I mean the difference between 50 and 100 (not F) is minor enough that one can be made to resemble the other easily in post after scanning, so even if Fuji decided to drop 50 for 100 in 35mm and 120 it wouldn't be the end of the world.

You couldn't be more wrong.. take a loot at the colour film comparison on On Landscape and take the Velvia 100 or 100F and try to make them look like Velvia 50...

Here's the images

http://static.timparkin.co.uk/static/landscapegb/17/film-comparison/all/Velvia 50.jpg
http://static.timparkin.co.uk/static/landscapegb/17/film-comparison/all/Velvia 100.jpg
http://static.timparkin.co.uk/static/landscapegb/17/film-comparison/all/Velvia 100F.jpg

I can't make it happen