Best entry level DSLR ..

SussexBlue said:
I'm sorry thats one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read here.
Tell me Miss Moo how much is the Nikon 24 megapixel and how much is the Sony, I think you'll find it's around £3000 dearer with the same sensor.
Yet more proof of brand snobbery and probably from someone who hasn't even picked a Sony Camera up :thumbsdown:
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Woooooah... Calm down... I said products in GENERAL!!!!!!

Ps - did I mention any other brands??
 
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Miss Moo!!

As far as I'm aware there is no "brand snobbery" when it comes to cameras. Fanboys/girls yes but this isn't a fashion thing at all, it's a hobby.

1. You find a camera you like, you buy lenses for it and get "locked in" to that brand and hope like hell that when it comes to buying a new camera that your brand comes up with a better one than a rival company because your lenses were expensive dammit.

2. Certain brands are popular for a good reason, they have consistently produced the best cameras over many years. If the new sony is as good as the press release says it is then it will be in that exclusive little club.

3. Hasselblad make the best cameras.

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Decca said:
Miss Moo!!

As far as I'm aware there is no "brand snobbery" when it comes to cameras. Fanboys/girls yes but this isn't a fashion thing at all, it's a hobby.

1. You find a camera you like, you buy lenses for it and get "locked in" to that brand and hope like hell that when it comes to buying a new camera that your brand comes up with a better one than a rival company because your lenses were expensive dammit.

2. Certain brands are popular for a good reason, they have consistently produced the best cameras over many years. If the new sony is as good as the press release says it is then it will be in that exclusive little club.

3. Hasselblad make the best cameras.

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:lol: I never said there was brand snobbery?? ;)
 
squishy said:
No, the GH2 isn't a DSLR.
But don't let that bother you.

What makes a DSLR is having a mirror to reflect the image into a pentaprism or penta mirror so you get an optical viewfinder, giving you light straight from the lens. The mirror then flips up to expose the sensor for taking the exposure.
EVIL's/SLD's or whatever you call these cameras without mirrors can be just as controllable as DSLR's (you still get M/A/S/P modes), the only difference is that they lack a mirror which reflects the light, instead the sensor is always active, displaying a digital image on a screen in the viewfinder.
This lets them make the camera a lot smaller because they don't have to fit the mirror box and prism in.
You can gain just as much photography experience as you would with a DSLR, it just weighs you down less.

If you really like the look of the G series, go for it. They are getting better all the time. They are also very adaptable to older film lenses, so you could pick up a film body (you can get lovely old olympus OM or pentax K bodies for ~£50 these days) as well and use the same lenses on both with adapter for the panasonic.
That would give you good experience using manual focus on a split prism optical viewfinder, and on an EVF.
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This is exactly what I do, I have the GH1 and use Lenses from My OM film SLR on it regularly. For Video on Stills cameras, the GH1 and GH2 are bettered by none.

They are DSLRs without mirrors essentially, they behave in an identical way apart from anything related to the mirror, since of course they don't have one.
 
You will do well with the Sony, def good value and not overpriced compared to the others.

You wont go wrong with any of the cameras you have been advised, good luck picking and have fun!
 
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Decca said:
3. Hasselblad make the best cameras.

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I disagree with that
for example a Hasselblad would be completely the wrong choice for my type of photography
The best camera is the one that allows YOU to take the best picture OF THE SUBJECT YOU CHOOSE.
 
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While some Sony stuff may be overpriced (HD TVs) their DSLRs are a bargain for what is packed into them. The only other company that packs as much innovation and features into their cameras at competitive price points is Pentax.
 
Well, I touched up the cameras today at Jessops ;)

All of them felt fine but one I did look at (EOS 600D) felt Very nice in the hands.

bad News: I went home to get my memory stick as I'd forgotten it, I then went out in the pooring rain, got the train to Liverpool street, used my phones sat nav to find Jessops and it ended up making me walk around a mile in the wrong direction. I got the train back to liverpool street and walked in the direction I thought it was and got there.

I asked one of the guys if I could look at the A850 and he said he'd get it for me after he'd finished with the customer he was currently helping. He then proceeded to b****r off and start serving at the tills leaving me standing there for 15 minutes. Then when I finally found someone who was free he told me they were closing, after asking to even just take a coulpe of pictures to look at when i got home he said no and I went home having gained nothing but a pi**ed off mood.

I felt the need to rant about that, I feel a little better now I've told the forum ;)
 
Rustico said:
Hope it goes better next time! It's hard being 16, isn't it? ;)
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Without joking, it actually is. You could say it's the hardest part of life, ( I can't really say that yet though as I've obviously not experienced being an adult etc.)

But, it's at this point in a persons life where I believe you are under the most pressure and stress. GCSE's and A-levels to worry about, as they more-or-less determine the rest of your life, now thats pressure. And all the worry about the future. Then there's the constant worry for many teenagers to always look good, skinny, tanned etc. not one of my personal priorities but many others'.

By the time your an adult, you've already done ALMOST all you can to secure a successful job and don't (NECESSARILY) have to worry as much. All you have to do now is be polite, smartly dressed and well-rehearsed to get your job. NOt as much stress as revising day and night for 12 different exams that may determine whether or not your a hobo ;)

I have absolutely no idea why I decided I needed to explain all that, and the fact that I did contradicts itself, as technically I should be worrying about my physics exam tomorrow and revising XD Lol.
But in short answer to your question, yes being 16 is hard.

And thank you :P
 
Dude i was in the same position as you a year or so ago when i got my first DSLR.

I'd try out the different systems, decide which you prefer ( canon or Nikon) and get the cheapest body you can. You get get the D70/300D for a 100 quid or so, and if you've got 600 to spend, that leave you with 500 to get some good glass.

Dont let the Megapixels matter. I shoot with a 4mp Body right now :P
 
Tbh - where's the image in having a Sony anyway? Maybe back in the days of Walkmans, but who today says "hey look at my Sony alpha/Ericsson" or whatever.
 
lawrenceots said:
Tbh - where's the image in having a Sony anyway? Maybe back in the days of Walkmans, but who today says "hey look at my Sony alpha/Ericsson" or whatever.
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Thats the thing though isn't it, who wants to be mainstream anymore ;)
 
I've not known anyone who buys a camera to "look good". I find they buy them as they are into photography.

Want to look good, go to a clothes shop, get a boob job, crack wax, whatever, but I've not thought of dslr's as a fashion accessory until I read this thread.
 
odd jim said:
I've not known anyone who buys a camera to "look good". I find they buy them as they are into photography.

Want to look good, go to a clothes shop, get a boob job, crack wax, whatever, but I've not thought of dslr's as a fashion accessory until I read this thread.
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Good point. Everyone knows it's big lens's that look good :D:
 
BrandonDouglas said:
Without joking, it actually is. You could say it's the hardest part of life, ( I can't really say that yet though as I've obviously not experienced being an adult etc.)

But, it's at this point in a persons life where I believe you are under the most pressure and stress. GCSE's and A-levels to worry about, as they more-or-less determine the rest of your life, now thats pressure. And all the worry about the future. Then there's the constant worry for many teenagers to always look good, skinny, tanned etc. not one of my personal priorities but many others'.

By the time your an adult, you've already done ALMOST all you can to secure a successful job and don't (NECESSARILY) have to worry as much. All you have to do now is be polite, smartly dressed and well-rehearsed to get your job. NOt as much stress as revising day and night for 12 different exams that may determine whether or not your a hobo ;)

I have absolutely no idea why I decided I needed to explain all that, and the fact that I did contradicts itself, as technically I should be worrying about my physics exam tomorrow and revising XD Lol.
But in short answer to your question, yes being 16 is hard.

And thank you :P
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:lol: I can identify; I'm 16! Good luck with whatever camera you decide on. It doesn't matter what brand you get, or what people on forums say :) What you like and are comfortable with is the important part. I got my Sony a330 not because I wanted to be different from the crowd (ok, so maybe that was like 2% of it). I got it because I liked how it felt, it was cheaper than Canon or Nikon, and there were certain other things about C & N that I couldn't live with. I did not like how the Canon handled; the Nikon had a big screen but low resolution; the menus on the Nikon I found clumsy. I liked the quick and simple menus of the Sony; had a smaller screen but as it was the same resolution as the Nikon, it looked better; the screen coupled with LV make the camera just that much more useful. So there you are. My 2 cents worth.
 
Brandon, you come across as older than your years, you're showing extreme patience with your purchasing attempts :lol:
I was in a well known shoe shop one day and the two assistants were busy gabbing to each other, at first I waited patiently and after about five minutes stared intently at them, after a nudge from one to the other an assistant finally came over and asked if she could help, I replied 'no thanks I'll come back when you're open' turned on my heels and walked out.

Good luck tomorrow, although you don't appear to need it.
 
BrandonDouglas said:
Without joking, it actually is. You could say it's the hardest part of life, ( I can't really say that yet though as I've obviously not experienced being an adult etc.)

But, it's at this point in a persons life where I believe you are under the most pressure and stress. GCSE's and A-levels to worry about, as they more-or-less determine the rest of your life, now thats pressure. And all the worry about the future. Then there's the constant worry for many teenagers to always look good, skinny, tanned etc. not one of my personal priorities but many others'.

By the time your an adult, you've already done ALMOST all you can to secure a successful job and don't (NECESSARILY) have to worry as much. All you have to do now is be polite, smartly dressed and well-rehearsed to get your job. NOt as much stress as revising day and night for 12 different exams that may determine whether or not your a hobo ;)

I have absolutely no idea why I decided I needed to explain all that, and the fact that I did contradicts itself, as technically I should be worrying about my physics exam tomorrow and revising XD Lol.
But in short answer to your question, yes being 16 is hard.

And thank you :P
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Jeez, you aint seen nothing yet!!
 
BrandonDouglas said:
Without joking, it actually is. You could say it's the hardest part of life, ( I can't really say that yet though as I've obviously not experienced being an adult etc.)

But, it's at this point in a persons life where I believe you are under the most pressure and stress. GCSE's and A-levels to worry about, as they more-or-less determine the rest of your life, now thats pressure. And all the worry about the future. Then there's the constant worry for many teenagers to always look good, skinny, tanned etc. not one of my personal priorities but many others'.

By the time your an adult, you've already done ALMOST all you can to secure a successful job and don't (NECESSARILY) have to worry as much. All you have to do now is be polite, smartly dressed and well-rehearsed to get your job. NOt as much stress as revising day and night for 12 different exams that may determine whether or not your a hobo ;)

I have absolutely no idea why I decided I needed to explain all that, and the fact that I did contradicts itself, as technically I should be worrying about my physics exam tomorrow and revising XD Lol.
But in short answer to your question, yes being 16 is hard.

And thank you :P
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Marriage, divorce, death, mortgage, kids, then moan about being 16!

Andy
 
Rustico said:
Hope it goes better next time! It's hard being 16, isn't it? ;)
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BrandonDouglas said:
Without joking, it actually is. You could say it's the hardest part of life, ( I can't really say that yet though as I've obviously not experienced being an adult etc.)
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Not wanting to depress you, but you'll find life continually gets easier in some ways, and harder in others - after GCSE's come A-Levels, then Uni (if that's the route you decide to take), then Job interviews, then actually doing a Job, finding a place to live, buying a house (can make exams seem stress free!), parenthood, etc.

Just make sure you take the time to use what time you have free doing the things you enjoy :)
 
Completely OT now, but which physics module are you doing?

I've got P2 tomorrow and I've found it a pretty easy module.
 
odd jim said:
I've not known anyone who buys a camera to "look good". I find they buy them as they are into photography.

Want to look good, go to a clothes shop, get a boob job, crack wax, whatever, but I've not thought of dslr's as a fashion accessory until I read this thread.
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So what you've just said is that, now you've read this thread, you do think of DLSR's as a fashion accessory ?

And, I might just have to go and get a boob job y'know !
 
BrandonDouglas said:
So what you've just said is that, now you've read this thread, you do think of DLSR's as a fashion accessory ?

And, I might just have to go and get a boob job y'know !
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No. Where did I say that?

I've said I've thought of them in that capacity from what I'm reading I this thread, but hadn't before that!

I discounted that by saying get a boob job if you want to look good!

People always see my bum bag before my Canon anyway...
 
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Faldrax said:
Not wanting to depress you, but you'll find life continually gets easier in some ways, and harder in others - after GCSE's come A-Levels, then Uni (if that's the route you decide to take), then Job interviews, then actually doing a Job, finding a place to live, buying a house (can make exams seem stress free!), parenthood, etc.

Just make sure you take the time to use what time you have free doing the things you enjoy :)
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I'd personally favour any of that over GCSE's and my A-levels ;)
I've done interviews (Work experience and others) and found them somewhat enjoyable, I do love to chat ;)
Atleast I get paid to do the job :3
As long as I have the money, it'll be fun to choose a place to live ! ;)
I'll make money somehow :naughty:
We'll see if I become a parent or not, I might not even get a gf :O haha
 
BrandonDouglas said:
? Why do you ask this ?
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Somewhere in the thread it was said about them being an image thing.
 
Llama said:
yea G.C.S.E but im doing OCR gateway, not edexel which explains it, anyway how did it go??
Jack
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Not too badly, although I'm not great with all the calculations such as

2.08 x 10 to the power of -19
divided by
5.0 x 10 to the power of -15 I have no idea how to do that on a calculator !

But explaining why a balloons pressure increases in heat was easy :3
 
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