Best entry level DSLR ..

I could get a remote but that's not as fun as setting a time and running into the picture :P

A remote is for much more than allowing you to be in the frame. On a slow shutter speed shot for instance, even touching the shutter release with your finger may be enough to blur the image.

I usually set a timer to solve this.
What else would/could a remote be used for ?
 
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Hi again Brandon, I really hope you like the camera but if not I'm sure you'll end up with something.
So many people come on here asking which Nikon/Canon should I buy, I can understand it given the advertising and pro use but there are other manufacturers out there producing quality gear, there's no such thing as a poor dslr but check the one you buy has the functions that are important to you and you won't go wrong. Sony took over Minolta so there is a lot of very good old glass to be had. Not a lot of Pentax users on here but at least check their offerings out as well.
 
Hi again Brandon, I really hope you like the camera but if not I'm sure you'll end up with something.
So many people come on here asking which Nikon/Canon should I buy, I can understand it given the advertising and pro use but there are other manufacturers out there producing quality gear, there's no such thing as a poor dslr but check the one you buy has the functions that are important to you and you won't go wrong. Sony took over Minolta so there is a lot of very good old glass to be had. Not a lot of Pentax users on here but at least check their offerings out as well.

Thanks alot. I understand how a beginner or amature will think Nikon or Canon is best for them but as you say theres other quality products out there. And Sony are a massive company so you can't really go wrong buying one of their products, it is sure to be quality.

Some people just want the big names to show off, it's all too much like fashion if you ask me :/

This A580 Seems to have everything I'd like. especially the tilting LCD. I cant imagine not being happy with it !

Thanks alot :)
 
There are far too many good cameras in your budget these days.

A D90 + Tamron 17-50 mon VR S/H would probably be my first choice

After that the D5100 is one heck of a camera although it is brand new and thus a bit expensive but can be had with the 18-55 for 600£ give or take.

Check the new G3 also, sounds like a very good choice as well.

The SLT-55 is very interesting choice too.
 
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After that the D5100 is one heck of a camera although it is brand new and thus a bit expensive but can be had with the 18-55 for 600£ give or take.


Sony a 580
Larger viewfinder
3FPS faster
Built in focus motor
better color depth
much better battery life
better ISO
more focus points
2 card slots
OK not important but takes panoramas in camera
image stabilization
and it's cheaper :)
 
Fair enough, though I doubt the better ISo/colour depth as it uses the same 16MP sensor as the D7000/A590.
 
BrandonDouglas said:
I usually set a timer to solve this.
What else would/could a remote be used for ?

I use a remote for all of my landscape work, I consider it as an essential part of my kit.

The other thing to take into account is the resale value of whatever system you decide on. Should you decide on ff or even mf you may find resale value to be poor in comparison to the Nikon/Canon systems.
 
Fair enough, though I doubt the better ISo/colour depth as it uses the same 16MP sensor as the D7000/A590.

yes same sensor but different image processors
Agreed the Nikon D7000 'may' (Not used it) be the better package but its also more money and I'm sorry to inform you that the Sony does indeed have better colour depth and ISO according to tests. I take it the a590 you refer to is a miss-type
Previous to my Sony's I used Nikon I actually at one stage owned D90, D300 and D3 all at the same time, unfortunately I fell out with Nikon and moved to Sony, I'm not denying that Nikon make good cameras but for what the OP has asked for the 580 covers more of what he requires at the price he wants to spend, incidentally the Nikon D90 was a fantastic camera but like anything these days gets bettered.
 
BrandonDouglas said:
Thanks alot. I understand how a beginner or amature will think Nikon or Canon is best for them but as you say theres other quality products out there. And Sony are a massive company so you can't really go wrong buying one of their products, it is sure to be quality.

Some people just want the big names to show off, it's all too much like fashion if you ask me :/

This A580 Seems to have everything I'd like. especially the tilting LCD. I cant imagine not being happy with it !

Thanks alot :)

I'm glad you are settled but let me correct you on one point.
Nikon/Canon are far from a fashion statement as you suggest. If you take a look broadly you will see that they dominate the DSLR market. There are reasons for that.

Andy
 
I'm glad you are settled but let me correct you on one point.
Nikon/Canon are far from a fashion statement as you suggest. If you take a look broadly you will see that they dominate the DSLR market. There are reasons for that.

Andy

Yeah, but what I am saying is that some people may see the fact that they are the leading manufacturers as a boasting point.

Literally buying a Canon camera just to say "Look at me with my Canon"
 
Id say that if i was buyng entry level again it would be the nikon d5000. Or if you could afford a bit more the new D5100
 
Yeah, but what I am saying is that some people may see the fact that they are the leading manufacturers as a boasting point.

Literally buying a Canon camera just to say "Look at me with my Canon"

PMSL, you'll fit the Sony perfectly LOL
If you do get the Sony then you must head over to Dyxum and register, it's full of everything you're likely to ask about Sony/Minolta, a great resource, in fact register now and you can ask people who actually use the 580 what they think of it.
 
BrandonDouglas said:
Yeah, but what I am saying is that some people may see the fact that they are the leading manufacturers as a boasting point.

Literally buying a Canon camera just to say "Look at me with my Canon"

You really do yourself no favours here do you.

Andy
 
You really do yourself no favours here do you.

Andy

Some of us are very proud of our cannons.

Ah, I'm not saying everyone who buys a canon or nikon just do it because they think they can show off :s

I say we forget the whole thing because clearly I'm being misunderstood and I don't want to start debating again.

Just leave it.
 
BrandonDouglas said:
What exactly is wrong with what I said, and why is it a big deal ?

You were happy to consider both Canon and Nikon until you found a Sony. Now, all of a sudden those 2 brands are fashion statements and bought for bragging rights!
Grow up chap.

Andy
 
You were happy to consider both Canon and Nikon until you found a Sony. Now, all of a sudden those 2 brands are fashion statements and bought for bragging rights!
Grow up chap.

Andy

I was happy to consider both of them due to the fact that they clearly make decent cameras if they're leading the market.
I was then shown the A580 and realised that even though Sony aren't as big as Canon, they can still offer me a good DSLR, and one that most suited my needs.

I did not, at any point, decide I was going to get myself a Canon/Nikon for bragging rights and I have merely stated that some people MAY do this, people in the same positions as me with a lack of knowledge in the DSLR world who will just go straight for a Canon/Nikon as they know it will make them look good. I had this very same opinion before I found the Sony, so it's not 'suddenly' I've changed my mind because I'm not getting one.

I do not need to grow up, you need to stop picking on every little thing someone may say on a forum. if you don't like something I have to say, I don't paticularly want to know. As far as I am now concerned, all you have managed to do is pick up a little statement I've said and decide to escalate it to something it did not need to be.

I'd really rather not lose out on someone who can offer me invaluable advice, and someone much more experienced than me, but I feel you're just being totally out of order and unecessary.
 
Pentax K100D sr + sigma 24-70 F2.8 probably looking at £400 tops maybe even less if you look hard enough , thats a great budget combo , i had some fantastic results ,also with the kit lens .And you have access to hundreds of the older smc A smc M lenses for pennies :thumbs:
 
I was happy to consider both of them due to the fact that they clearly make decent cameras if they're leading the market.
I was then shown the A580 and realised that even though Sony aren't as big as Canon, they can still offer me a good DSLR, and one that most suited my needs.
to quote Thomas Hogan from no later than today:
"A lot of cameras are bought because of cache, something to which style contributes. A lot of M9's and D3's and even 5DII's hang around people's necks more to show off their wealth and good taste rather than to shoot better pictures. "
...
"Let's face it, even the lowest of low DSLRs these days is a pretty amazing instrument. It'll take great images, even in low light, that'll print well up to the size (and beyond) that you can really consider doing at home. Sure, the build quality might not be robust and a few features you might want aren't there and a few hand-holding things you don't want are, but as a basic "take more-than-competent-photos-in-almost-any-situation device," the low-end DSLR is mature and capable of excellent work. We all need to spend more time maximizing what our current tools are capable providing us, because I'll bet that 99.9% of us are underutilizing what we've got."

Any of the A580, D5100 & 550D will do what you want & in spades.
Yes, they'll all have their own foibles & areas where they can score points over the opposition but they are pretty closely matched.
It's handling time though as many folk have walked into a shop intending to buy 1 camera only to feel that they were more comfortable with another.
 
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to quote Thomas Hogan from no later than today:
"A lot of cameras are bought because of cache, something to which style contributes. A lot of M9's and D3's and even 5DII's hang around people's necks more to show off their wealth and good taste rather than to shoot better pictures. "

...
"Let's face it, even the lowest of low DSLRs these days is a pretty amazing instrument. It'll take great images, even in low light, that'll print well up to the size (and beyond) that you can really consider doing at home. Sure, the build quality might not be robust and a few features you might want aren't there and a few hand-holding things you don't want are, but as a basic "take more-than-competent-photos-in-almost-any-situation device," the low-end DSLR is mature and capable of excellent work. We all need to spend more time maximizing what our current tools are capable providing us, because I'll bet that 99.9% of us are underutilizing what we've got."

Any of the A580, D5100 & 550D will do what you want & in spades.
Yes, they'll all have their own foibles & areas where they can score points over the opposition but they are pretty closely matched.
It's handling time though as many folk have walked into a shop intending to buy 1 camera only to feel that they were more comfortable with another.
That first bit is what I was trying to say, I just didn't seem to word it as well. Plus because I'm 16, people feel that my opinion is less significant.
Anyhoo,,
I should be up Jessops tomorrow to try all 3 and have my SDHC card ready to take some tester images and video home ! I'll be on here with results of my day trip because I know you'll all be dying to hear about it :lol:

Many thanks to everyone who helped out, despite some discrepancies that we seem to have overcome now. I just have to decide which Jessops to go to, I know they've seen plenty of me at Moorgate so they'd probably be delighted to see some more :bonk:
Or there is always canary wharf, slightly more interesting than moorgate.
Hmmmmm
*Ponders*
 
As there are more camera manufacturers than Canon & Nikon so there are more retailers than Jessops e.g. Jacobs, Park & Cameraworld are worth a look if they have a branch in your area.

you'll probably need several cards as each camera will format them differently.
 
As there are more camera manufacturers than Canon & Nikon so there are more retailers than Jessops e.g. Jacobs, Park & Cameraworld are worth a look if they have a branch in your area.

you'll probably need several cards as each camera will format them differently.


I do have several micro SD's but only one adaptor, but that shouldn't affect it.
I'll just have to remember which is which ;D
 
Brandon, you mentioned video in one of your posts and without wishing to confuse you too much or give you more choices than you can cope with :) you might want to add the panasonic G series to your list of things to look at.

These cameras are smaller than DSLR's and have electronic viewfinders and are from what I've read very well thought of for their video capability.

See here...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/panasonic_gh2_first_look.shtml

There's a link in there to a video hack that does good things.

I'm strictly a stills shooter and have just bought a similar older used G1 and I'm impressed with it's stills ability. I've never shot video but it's a growing market and from what I've read the Panasonic G series is pretty much at the top of the tree for video so might be worth at least looking into if you think that you're going to be getting into vid.
 
Brandon, you mentioned video in one of your posts and without wishing to confuse you too much or give you more choices than you can cope with :) you might want to add the panasonic G series to your list of things to look at.

These cameras are smaller than DSLR's and have electronic viewfinders and are from what I've read very well thought of for their video capability.

See here...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/panasonic_gh2_first_look.shtml

There's a link in there to a video hack that does good things.

I'm strictly a stills shooter and have just bought a similar older used G1 and I'm impressed with it's stills ability. I've never shot video but it's a growing market and from what I've read the Panasonic G series is pretty much at the top of the tree for video so might be worth at least looking into if you think that you're going to be getting into vid.

I was actually looking at the Lumix DMC-G2, it looked fantastic .. but then I found out it wasn't a DSLR.
The whole point in me getting a new camera was because my mum wanted to get me a DSLR because if I'm going to take photography seriously and possibly make a career out of it than I need experience with a DSLR & Film camera.

Anyhoo thats why im getting one.Is the GH2 a DSLR ?
 
Hello, just a point I have noticed with Sony products in general.. u pay alot more money for their name and there are better cheaper alternatives out there!!

You need to consider the cost of additional lenses (I know that isn't an issue at present, but one day it will be) and the amount of lenses availiable. Also the cost of accessories...
 
I was actually looking at the Lumix DMC-G2, it looked fantastic .. but then I found out it wasn't a DSLR.
The whole point in me getting a new camera was because my mum wanted to get me a DSLR because if I'm going to take photography seriously and possibly make a career out of it than I need experience with a DSLR & Film camera.

Anyhoo thats why im getting one.Is the GH2 a DSLR ?

No, the GH2 isn't a DSLR.
But don't let that bother you.

What makes a DSLR is having a mirror to reflect the image into a pentaprism or penta mirror so you get an optical viewfinder, giving you light straight from the lens. The mirror then flips up to expose the sensor for taking the exposure.
EVIL's/SLD's or whatever you call these cameras without mirrors can be just as controllable as DSLR's (you still get M/A/S/P modes), the only difference is that they lack a mirror which reflects the light, instead the sensor is always active, displaying a digital image on a screen in the viewfinder.
This lets them make the camera a lot smaller because they don't have to fit the mirror box and prism in.
You can gain just as much photography experience as you would with a DSLR, it just weighs you down less.

If you really like the look of the G series, go for it. They are getting better all the time. They are also very adaptable to older film lenses, so you could pick up a film body (you can get lovely old olympus OM or pentax K bodies for ~£50 these days) as well and use the same lenses on both with adapter for the panasonic.
That would give you good experience using manual focus on a split prism optical viewfinder, and on an EVF.
 
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I was actually looking at the Lumix DMC-G2, it looked fantastic .. but then I found out it wasn't a DSLR.
The whole point in me getting a new camera was because my mum wanted to get me a DSLR because if I'm going to take photography seriously and possibly make a career out of it than I need experience with a DSLR & Film camera.

Anyhoo thats why im getting one.Is the GH2 a DSLR ?


The Panasonic G series has interchangeable lenses just like a DSLR, and that's the important feature of DSLR's.

One possibly important advantage that mirrorless cameras like the G series have over DSLR's is because there's no mirror there's non of the disadvantages that the mirror brings... like mirror slap that can cause camera movement and affect the image.
 
Hello, just a point I have noticed with Sony products in general.. u pay alot more money for their name and there are better cheaper alternatives out there!!

I'm sorry thats one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read here.
Tell me Miss Moo how much is the Nikon 24 megapixel and how much is the Sony, I think you'll find it's around £3000 dearer with the same sensor.
Yet more proof of brand snobbery and probably from someone who hasn't even picked a Sony Camera up :thumbsdown:
 
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