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I recently purchased some canon bellows fl from a well known auction site I did some research being new to macro photography and acquired the relevant EOS to FD connectors for the camera side and bagged a couple of FD lenses from that auction site a 28mm 2.8 and a 50mm 1.8 I have done a few test shots and light was my first problem so now from the other thread my flashes will now work together just a matter of making/buying a diffuser all good
Included with the bellows were two adapters a canon lens mount converter B and a CA55 I have looked on tinterweb and can't find out what they do I have found out they do fit together any help would be much appreciated regards Craig
 
Included with the bellows were two adapters a canon lens mount converter B and a CA55 I have looked on tinterweb and can't find out what they do I have found out they do fit together any help would be much appreciated regards Craig
According to tinterweb, the CA55 is a FD-55mm reversing adaptor and the B Adaptor is an FD-LTM adaptor.

Your Google-Fu is weak young grasshopper ;)
 
According to tinterweb, the CA55 is a FD-55mm reversing adaptor and the B Adaptor is an FD-LTM adaptor.

Your Google-Fu is weak young grasshopper ;)


Thank you for your reply I'm ok with the reversing ring I understand how they work however FD is canon lens type but what is LTM? Also if I'm using FD lenses on my bellows do I need these adapters? I'm blaming Yorkshire google it has a CA55 listed as a Samsung Fridge freezer it's not even close
Regards Craig
 
LTM - leica thread mount - it's the mount for the older range of Leica rangefinder lenses

so - a FD-LTM allows you to mount a LTM lens on the front of the bellows (that has a FD socket)
 
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LTM - leica thread mount - it's the mount for the older range of Leica rangefinder lenses

so - a FD-LTM allows you to mount a LTM lens on the front of the bellows (that has a FD socket)


Thank you!! as you can gather I'm a beginner to the macro world and reasonably new to photography in general in your opinion do you think that the Lecia lenses would be better than the FD lenses for using mainly on the bellows and I suppose with the EOS-FD and The canon lens mount B they could be used on my dslr or is that just ridiculous
Regards Craig
 
er... check the prices of Leica lenses - it's generally not a make to "experiment" with unless you've deeper pockets than I have...

That said, the Leica Thread Mount was also used by lots of the Russian Cameramakers - My old "radioactive" Industar currently fitted on the FED3a is one of these screw mount ones, and cost me the grand sum of £3 plus postage and even came with a large heavy-duty rear lens cap (often referred to as a broken fed 4 :lol:)

Personally, I'd just get a good quality Canon FD 50mm f3/5 macro lens, stick that on the front of the bellows and take it from there.

As to mounting the FD lenses direct to a EF mount Canon body, you could well have problems. The mounts are essentially pretty much incompatible, because the "registration distance" (distance from the mount plate to the sensor/film) is shorter on the FD than the EF - which, in plain english means that if you put an adaptor on the front of the EF camera, then fit the FD lens, the lens won't "focus to infinity" - i.e. it'll work at close distances (maybe a couple of metres, it's been a while since I used one, and I forget exactly - but certainly not 10 yards or so...) but anything further and it won't work. To get around that, there ARE special adaptors for FD>EF lenses that are basically like a small "teleconverter" (they work at approximately 1:1.2 iirc) so convert a 50mm f3.5 into a 60mm f4.5 but they WILL focus to infinity, at the trade off of reduced image quality because of the additional lens in the adaptor...

Here's what a "plain" FD>EF lens adaptor looks like... this one won't focus to infinity, but WILL have better image quality for macro's because there's no lens to degrade the image

and the "special" FD>EF adaptors look like this... to be honest, the quality of the lens in these adaptors is "ahem" variable... but I'd generally say tending more towards the "terrible" than "acceptable"

Canon actually did bring out their own adaptor for this purpose, but they're rarer than rocking horse dung, and cost probably as much as a good second hand EF mount macro lens...


Basically, Canon did their level best to make a clean break between the old FD/FDn standard manual lenses and the EF of the Film (and eventually Digital) Autofocus kit. And with the exception of macro use, I'd recommend that you pretty much go with what they did...
 
er... check the prices of Leica lenses - it's generally not a make to "experiment" with unless you've deeper pockets than I have...

That said, the Leica Thread Mount was also used by lots of the Russian Cameramakers - My old "radioactive" Industar currently fitted on the FED3a is one of these screw mount ones, and cost me the grand sum of £3 plus postage and even came with a large heavy-duty rear lens cap

Thanks for the information I will look out for a 50mm 3.5 and will surely look into the FED3a option as you say they are going for a very good price
Regards Craig
 
and will surely look into the FED3a option as you say they are going for a very good price

it's not so much the FED3a (it's a pretty HORRIBLE Pig-Iron Russian rangefinder that only works if you get one made on tues/wed/thurs mornings (monday they're hung over, friday they're already on the vodka by 8am and weekday afternoons are written off by the lunchtime vodka break...) - pretty much 1 in 4 worked as they're supposed to, from the factory - the ones that HAVE survived to sell by now are probably going to have "issues" (like mine - the shutter curtain fell to bits - all the rubberised coating fell off it leaving it pretty transparent!) - However, the Industar 61 L/D 55mm F2.8 lens that was fitted to some of the cameras is a bit of a "hidden gem" (again, you do need to get a good version of it though...) - and don't worry, it's not VERY radioactive ;)

http://lichtsucher.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/industar-61-ld-53mm-f28-radioactive.html
 
Enlarging lenses (for old film enlargers) are good for macro. The role they're designed for, with the lens further away from the film/sensor than from the subject, is very similar to macro with bellows (and the opposite of normal camera lenses).

Enlarging lenses also come in a 39mm Leica screw fitting, with manual aperture control, and are also dead cheap on thebay :thumbs:
 
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