Beggars belief

Cobra said:
Gotta say that I generally agree with the angel here. A young fit lad,
would, well should anyway be happy to do a decent day's work for that sort of money.
However there are too many that would rather sit on the dole than get off their arses ;)

TBH the school colleges are about to break up, I'd wait a couple of weeks
and try and get a student in,
That should keep them supplied in pot noodles for a term or two :D
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Agreed. But he asked for a gardener. As ever - what he asked for and what he wants are completely different.

Just look at any wedding thread and customers who do that receive no sympathy!
 
If its numpty work then the off spring of friends or neighbours would accept £8 an hour. Even a self employed bottom rung labourer wouldn't fart in your general direction for less than £80-100 a day!
 
mickledore said:
Agreed. But he asked for a gardener. As ever - what he asked for and what he wants are completely different.
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Agreed :thumbs:
srichards said:
If its numpty work then the off spring of friends or neighbours would accept £8 an hour.
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That's pretty much what I was suggesting, or as before a student ;)

srichards said:
Even a self employed bottom rung labourer wouldn't fart in your general direction for less than £80-100 a day!
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10 hours a day with paid lunch = £80 :thumbs:
 
I do apologise for the gardener request.......in future I will ask for a labourer :D
 
mickledore said:
Agreed. But he asked for a gardener. As ever - what he asked for and what he wants are completely different.

Just look at any wedding thread and customers who do that receive no sympathy!
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Please stop comparing a gardener to a wedding photographer lol :lol:
 
archangel said:
I do apologise for the gardener request.......in future I will ask for a labourer :D
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A gardener sounded better though, more Kudos and all that :D
 
Got any handymen or odd job men around you?

About ten years ago now but my parents in mid wales used to pay £6 an hour for a handyman to do odd jobs. Usually it was the postmans second job.
 
Byker28i said:
Then don't pay him and do it yourself. Personally I think £9 is a bargain for not having to do that.
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Well, at 69 years old and retired from ladder climbing, someone else has to do it I'm afraid.
 
Cash in hand is tax evasion...not avoidance lol
 
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mickledore said:
Well just think of the gear a gardener needs to turn out in the morning...

Lawnmower £1000, probably a second one needed for smaller gardens £500
Strimmer with split boom to accomodate pole cutter and long reach chainsaw £600
Hedge trimmer £400
Leaf blower £200
Large and small chainsaws and gear £800
Loppers £70
Secateurs £50
Various hand tools say £200
Sprayers, backpack and hand held £200
Car and trailer/van to carry everything round - name your price.
Secure storage for all the above - there are lots of scrotes around has to be paid for as well.
Petrol & oils for normal running at standard pump prices.
Equipment lasts anything from 3 - 7 years depending on the use it gets. Then it needs to be replaced out of earned income.

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Not that I disagree with your general point but where the hell are you buying your kit ? - I run a ranger team and for example we generally pay about £25 for a good pair of loppers (Bahco or similar - generic ones are about 15) - for 70 quid a set I'd want them hand forged by dwarvish smiths at the foot of ygdradsil and delivered on a platter by a scantily glad Angelina Jolie

The general point is spot on though - we pay a skilled op contractor a minimum of 150-175 a day , and brush monkeys get about £100. (that's before vat if they a registered)
 
I pay my gardener £15/ph, my old gardener was £10/ph but he was doing it more for fun in retirement and we suspect also to get out from under his wife's feet he was more a family friend and it wasn't unknown for him to get here around lunch time, chat with my dad, watch a bit of cricket in the summer and then go home :lol: sadly he passed away last year...

To be honest I do think to get the job done properly with tax etc you'd really struggle to find anyone at £8ph

Hell about 10 years back when we still had the family's cleaning business there were areas where we would have to pay £10+ to attract applications
 
viv1969 said:
Cash in hand is tax evasion...not avoidance lol
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No its not - its up to the contractor whether they pay tax honestly or not - regardless of whether you pay them by cash, bank transfer or cheque they still have the choice of legal or not legal - paying cash in itself is not any kind of evasion or avoidance (a lot of honest contractors prefer cash because it avoids bank fees for cheque cashing)
 
Off on a tangent....why does it say "user does not exist" when I click on big soft moose profile
 
archangel said:
Off on a tangent....why does it say "user does not exist" when I click on big soft moose profile
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odd .. probably wishful thinking on the part of certain members.
 
archangel said:
I hit against your profile pic on the tablet by accident and it keeps saying "this user does not exist" but everyone else's is fine
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It might be something in the Mooses security settings on his profile, I've noticed more and more people are restricting access to profile information, I don't know if moose is one of them
 
Its because your tablet doesn't believe someone so perfect could possibly be real ;)
 
MWHCVT said:
It might be something in the Mooses security settings on his profile, I've noticed more and more people are restricting access to profile information, I don't know if moose is one of them
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Good point - mines set to friends only , on account of the hassle I've been experiencing from a couple of members of late
 
big soft moose said:
No its not - its up to the contractor whether they pay tax honestly or not - regardless of whether you pay them by cash, bank transfer or cheque they still have the choice of legal or not legal - paying cash in itself is not any kind of evasion or avoidance (a lot of honest contractors prefer cash because it avoids bank fees for cheque cashing)
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Sigh...And if the self employed sub contractor does not pay the appropriate tax, it is evasion, not avoidance. I did not say the person paying by cash, did I?
 
Cobra said:
The local guy here charges £20 for a lawn cut front and back,
Takes him about half an hour.
You're far too cheap Heather :D
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He probably has a decent mower with a 22 inch cut! ;)

I, however have to make do with whatever mower my people have, and so sometimes it takes me an hour and a half to do the grass (but that does include edges and tidying up too!) and half an hour to chat and drink tea as sometimes I am the only person they see for days. £15 ph is what I charge new customers but some of my ladies that I have been going to for 8+ years still pay the £10 ph that I charged when I first started.


archangel said:
..... I was even offering cash in hand.......
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I do not do "cash in hand", everything is invoiced monthly even when the 90 yr olds pay me every time I go in cash. I am a professional and expect to be treated as such.



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The trouble I've found, old boy, is that if your family hasn't bred its own peasants for at least three or four generations - you know, tied cottages and all that - they never really work for you!
 
viv1969 said:
Sigh...And if the self employed sub contractor does not pay the appropriate tax, it is evasion, not avoidance. I did not say the person paying by cash, did I?
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indeed - this is also true if they don't pay the appropriate tax if you pay them by cheque or bank transfer - its got jack s*** to do with paying them in cash. If they choose not to declare earnings and hope not to get caught its evasion , if they exploit a tax loophole (which is legal but not ethical) its avoidance
 
neil_g said:
Heaven forbid an unskilled labourer would want more than to scrape by..

:rolleyes:
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35p more per hour than the living wage (assuming the OP is not in London)

as I said round here the going rate for an 'unskilled' manual labourer sub contractor (self employed) is about £100/day for an 8 hour day ie £12.50 per hour. If you are employing them you might get away with the living wage but then you are also looking at employers liability insurance, pension, employers NI and all such on costs which brings the total cost to about the same.
 
neil_g said:
Heaven forbid an unskilled labourer would want more than to scrape by..

:rolleyes:
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I think it is a fair deal.....nothing to do with unskilled Labour......I am offering a more than minimum wage pay packet for a short term job....plus benefits.....such as lunch, tea etc

Many a time in my life I would have killed for a job like this
 
Tigger.ufo said:
He probably has a decent mower with a 22 inch cut! ;)
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TBH I don't know, thats what "next door" say's he charges, I just happened to note the time when he was there last :D

Tigger.ufo said:
I, however have to make do with whatever mower my people have, .
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Shhhhh don't let a few of the other posters, hear you say that.
Not using your own tools indeed!
I bet you even add a little for electricity with Flymo's (et al ) as well :D
 
archangel said:
I think it is a fair deal.....nothing to do with unskilled Labour......I am offering a more than minimum wage pay packet for a short term job....plus benefits.....such as lunch, tea etc

Many a time in my life I would have killed for a job like this
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Very true.

Sadly there are many folk who consider themselves far more worthy than reality dictates.
 
end of the day it will be determined by market forces - if its a reasonable deal you'll get someone - if you don't you need to pay more , simples.
 
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