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Hey, my friend has asked me if I could go with them to a horse show on Saturday, even though I have 3 horses myself I have never done this sort of photography, I mean show jumping. Could anyone give me some tips for the day?
 
Hey, my friend has asked me if I could go with them to a horse show on Saturday, even though I have 3 horses myself I have never done this sort of photography, I mean show jumping. Could anyone give me some tips for the day?

Yep firstly check with the organisers its ok for you to do this.
 
Hey, my friend has asked me if I could go with them to a horse show on Saturday, even though I have 3 horses myself I have never done this sort of photography, I mean show jumping. Could anyone give me some tips for the day?

experiment with shutter speeds. Pan with the horse while it's moving and by varying the shutter speed you can vary the amount of blurring in the background

shoot at a small aperture to get maximum depth of field, and try to get in close and shoot with a wide angle lens- don't be lame and shoot from


althought it's clearly not a horse, this is the kind of effect you can get by slowing the shutter
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I think the shutter was around 1/100 in this shot with a 100mm lens, but for a slower moving object you will need a slower shutter speed to blur the background (but then you'd need to get in closer and shoot with a wider lens or you'd get camera shake, or a lens with panning IS)
 
experiment with shutter speeds. Pan with the horse while it's moving and by varying the shutter speed you can vary the amount of blurring in the background

shoot at a small aperture to get maximum depth of field, and try to get in close and shoot with a wide angle lens- don't be lame and shoot from


althought it's clearly not a horse, this is the kind of effect you can get by slowing the shutter

I think the shutter was around 1/100 in this shot with a 100mm lens, but for a slower moving object you will need a slower shutter speed to blur the background (but then you'd need to get in closer and shoot with a wider lens or you'd get camera shake, or a lens with panning IS)

I would have to disagree with everything you've said, I would imagine if you tried to take shots of a horse going over a jump at 1/100th it would be seriously blurred and how is he going to get in close at a showjumping ring?

To the OP, have a look in the sports section, plenty horsey pics there.
 
Sorry but blurred background for horse jumping?.. horse racing maybe but i think everyone knows horse jumping isn't 100 miles an hr.. good depth of field is good but the distance between horse/rider and background should be enough for most apertures.

It shouldnt be harder than any other sport in capturing the action.. I really think other equestrian photogrpahers need to pop in and tell you what to look for.. ie horse ears position.. i believe thats important...but havent a clue how :)
 
Panning is for wheels, not legs. ;)

I don't shoot much in the way of jumping but usual viewpoints are head on or at 45 degrees to the jump. Try to get it so that the horse's back feet are just leaving the ground although this isn't as essential as some might tell you. As for ears, yes it's best if the ears are pointing forwards but not always possible as, quite often, they are pointing backwards as they are listening to the rider.

In a nutshell, it's about making the horse look good. Making the rider look like a loon can be a bonus. :D
 
hi yes i know about the ears pointing forward and the postion of the horse, i will thinking more the the settings for the camera?
 
hi yes i know about the ears pointing forward and the postion of the horse, i will thinking more the the settings for the camera?

Ok, well a fastish shutter speed will be handy. I'd say a minimum of 1/500th. F4 would be a good aperture which should give enough depth of field for both horse and rider. Then set ISO accordingly.
 
Ok, well a fastish shutter speed will be handy. I'd say a minimum of 1/500th. F4 would be a good aperture which should give enough depth of field for both horse and rider. Then set ISO accordingly.

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Ok, well a fastish shutter speed will be handy. I'd say a minimum of 1/500th. F4 would be a good aperture which should give enough depth of field for both horse and rider. Then set ISO accordingly.

:agree:

I also don't see why he has to ask the organisers permission, he has been asked to photograph (I assume) a rider and horse by the riders family so he won't be stepping on the event togs toes. I hardly think the organisers are going to walk around telling everybody who has their cameras out to put them away. :shrug:
 
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I also don't see why he has to ask the organisers permission,

Its called good manners when your on someone elses property and going to be diong some photogrpahy at the event someon else organised....Never found anyhting wrong wiht good manners myself.. use them all the time :)
 
Who mentioned event tog?
 
Its called good manners when your on someone elses property and going to be diong some photogrpahy at the event someon else organised....Never found anyhting wrong wiht good manners myself.. use them all the time :)

People turn up at these events with cameras all the time, never heard of anyone contacting the organisers first, If you are there in a business capacity then fair enough but I don't think the OP will be in this case.
 
People turn up at these events with cameras all the time, never heard of anyone contacting the organisers first, If you are there in a business capacity then fair enough but I don't think the OP will be in this case.

well if i turn up at an equestrian event to do a photo shoot (not just happy snapping) paid or not... but a requested photo shoot for someone... then I would let the organisors know who I am and what I am doing.. Make me feel better to do things the right way..

If your turning up to take some pics cus ya feel like it fair enough.. but the OP has been requested to turn up and do a shoot..

Maybe its an age thing... :) I just dont like the...I am allowed so stuff everyone attitude a lot of people have.... wont cost anything bar maybe a couple of minutes of time to let people know what your doing..

Again and finally.. its different to happy snapping.. its an organised shoot ..
 
People turn up at these events with cameras all the time, never heard of anyone contacting the organisers first, If you are there in a business capacity then fair enough but I don't think the OP will be in this case.

:agree:

I must remember that next time I go to the Millennium Stadium to cover an international, 65,000 supporters with no manners :bonk:
 
well if i turn up at an equestrian event to do a photo shoot (not just happy snapping) paid or not... but a requested photo shoot for someone... then I would let the organisors know who I am and what I am doing.. Make me feel better to do things the right way..

If your turning up to take some pics cus ya feel like it fair enough.. but the OP has been requested to turn up and do a shoot..

Maybe its an age thing... :) I just dont like the...I am allowed so stuff everyone attitude a lot of people have.... wont cost anything bar maybe a couple of minutes of time to let people know what your doing..

Again and finally.. its different to happy snapping.. its an organised shoot ..

Don't think there is an "I am allowed so stuff everyone" attitude here. Being asked by a friend to come and take photos doesn't make it an organised shoot, these events have loads of people with cameras (many DSLRs these days) shooting family and friends.
 
:agree:

I must remember that next time I go to the Millennium Stadium to cover an international, 65,000 supporters with no manners :bonk:

differint thing alltogather.. op has been asked to go and take photographs.. thus its a requested photo shoot not someone at a stadium full of people. not the same at all.. so your pathetic childish sarcasm in a reasonable debate is wasted... someone has a differnet opinion to you so you go into childish mode.. pathetic :(
 
Don't think there is an "I am allowed so stuff everyone" attitude here. Being asked by a friend to come and take photos doesn't make it an organised shoot, these events have loads of people with cameras (many DSLRs these days) shooting family and friends.

no i dont think there is.. the op is just asking for advice.. why turn it into somehting else? i never accused anyone of that.. i said what i would do.. i was asked why i would and answered... thats all.. this is an organised shoot not a happy snapping day out.. thats the difference you seem to want to gloss over...
 
Maybe its an age thing... :) I just dont like the...I am allowed so stuff everyone attitude a lot of people have.... wont cost anything bar maybe a couple of minutes of time to let people know what your doing..

Again and finally.. its different to happy snapping.. its an organised shoot ..

Don't know what the age thing has got to do with it, I'm 57, and have been a press tog for longer than I can remember, if I spent my time looking for organisers to say hello who I am, and what I'm doing, I would never get anything done. When your a staff tog there is never enough time in a day believe me, when you've got deadlines to meet and editors and reporters constantly on the phone asking for this and that, no chance.
 
no i dont think there is.. the op is just asking for advice.. why turn it into somehting else? i never accused anyone of that.. i said what i would do.. i was asked why i would and answered... thats all.. this is an organised shoot not a happy snapping day out.. thats the difference you seem to want to gloss over...

Tony, I was quoting a portion of your post so it's words YOU used.

And I already answered your question. Equestrian events allow people to bring in cameras, competitors bring family and friend to photograph them, it's NOT an organised "shoot". Calling it an organised shoot makes it out to be official when it's clearly not, just friends taking photos of friends.
 
Its called good manners when your on someone elses property and going to be diong some photogrpahy at the event someon else organised....Never found anyhting wrong wiht good manners myself.. use them all the time :)

:agree: Nothing to add other than you have them or you dont. Nothing to do with work or pleasure, I don't switch mine on and off :thumbs:
 
:agree: Nothing to add other than you have them or you dont. Nothing to do with work or pleasure, I don't switch mine on and off :thumbs:

What's manners got to do with this? If it's an event where you are allowed to take photos, why do you need to contact the organisers? Why does it matter whether you are taking them for your own pleasure or for a friend? Why would the organisers care?
 
Tony, I was quoting a portion of your post so it's words YOU used.

And I already answered your question. Equestrian events allow people to bring in cameras, competitors bring family and friend to photograph them, it's NOT an organised "shoot". Calling it an organised shoot makes it out to be official when it's clearly not, just friends taking photos of friends.

I totally agree with Fabs, the guy has been asked by a friend to take his camera along, he is not going to an organised shoot it's his mate for gods sake.

Re the pathetic childish sarcasm, your the one who's spitting his dummy out, it's a spectator event. :bang:
 
I would have to disagree with everything you've said, I would imagine if you tried to take shots of a horse going over a jump at 1/100th it would be seriously blurred and how is he going to get in close at a showjumping ring?

To the OP, have a look in the sports section, plenty horsey pics there.

I appologize, I totally mis-understood the intention of the OP to photograph show JUMPING not RACING
my mistake, I appologize.

So I will try again. I have no experience with show jumping but for photography in general it is best to have the simplest background available to you to sell the idea of your subject and avoid distractions, this might be as simple as getting low and shooting with the sky as the background. Or opening the lens right up and turning that background into a sea of colour instead of detail

From the images I have seen so far, I think side on is best to show the elegance of the horse in motion. I'd set the camera to burst mode and take as many photos as possible of the horse jumping, i'd study them and determine which point made for the most attractive photo, and then i'd try to hit that point
 
Grrr having to retype this because I just deleted the last 10 min worth of scribbling by mistake! :bang:

... try to get in close and shoot with a wide angle lens- don't be lame and shoot from ...

Aside from the shutter speed issue that's already been dealt with, that is incredibly daft and potentially dangerous advice. Unless you know the event, the course and how a horse is likely to react to any myriad influences, then stay back.

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Right, this thread has excellent examples of the three basic SJ shots:

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=331279

No1, the 45° angle: the easiest to make both rider and horse look good. Great for beginners of both species and a good seller.

No2, Head on: a dual purpose shot used for press and editorial as well as for parents who are more focused on their offspring enjoying the money that they've spent on the four hoofed wonder than the actual animal itself. Also great for environmental shots as there is less of the combination to fill up the frame. A lot more difficult to track the subject on to the fence and with them approaching head on much easier to fluff the focus.

No4, Side on: The most technically demanding in terms of making the horse, rider and photographer look good. Best used for experienced combinations or those who don't know what they're looking at. Used to evaluate the horse for training or for sales advertising, and also used as a training aid for jockeys. An instant sale if you (and they) get it right, in the bin if you/they don't. It should be exactly as seen; horse 1/2 to 1 ft off the ground, back legs together for an even take off (and muscle/bone wear), front tucked up and parallel. Rider up on the horse, showing well.

Tech:

Shutter speed of 1/500th min preferably 1/800th.
f/4 if you can get away with it, but check your depth of field in relation to aperture, focal length and focal distance. You may need to go out to f/5.6 to achieve critical focus on both horse and rider at times.

Exposure. Either M or Av.

Manual if you are just covering one fence. Meter off the ground in front of the fence (preferably grass or sand). If you are covering more than one fence and the light is even use M for that as well.

If you are covering the whole ring and the light varies with shade etc then use Av, but bear the following in mind:
Horse's colour: adjust approx +1 EC for Greys, +1/3 for Chestnuts and -1 for Dark Bays vary for shades in between. Scan the entire ground and watch the shutter speed. If it drops below your desired minimum up the ISO. Centre weighted seems to work better than most other methods, even if it is a bit old hat.

Use AI Servo and High continuous until you can guarantee that your timing is good enough to get exactly the shot that you want with one frame. Personally I always use 2-3 frames per fence, but others don't.

Jpeg v RAW - entirely your choice.

I absolutely understand where Kipax is coming from, but speaking as an organiser if everybody came up and asked permission to shoot it would drive me mad. The exceptions are commercial shooting for open sale and press seeking accreditation (this should have been booked in advance anyway).

Always be aware of what the animal is doing, where it is and where it's escape routes are - although this shouldn't be so much of an issue with an SJ ring as it is with XC on an open course.
 
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I absolutely understand where Kipax is coming from, but speaking as an organiser if everybody came up and asked permission .

WHY WOULD EVERYONE COME UP AND ASK ??????????????????

only the people there on an organised shoot should.. and only if they feel inclined due to good manners..

whats wrong with everyone tonight,.. i type one thing and everyones reading another :)
 
What's manners got to do with this? If it's an event where you are allowed to take photos, why do you need to contact the organisers? Why does it matter whether you are taking them for your own pleasure or for a friend? Why would the organisers care?

asked and answered too many times... if you dont want the answer why ask ?
 
WHY WOULD EVERYONE COME UP AND ASK ??????????????????

only the people there on an organised shoot should.. and only if they feel inclined due to good manners..

whats wrong with everyone tonight,.. i type one thing and everyones reading another :)

Sorry badly phrased by me. I meant anyone on a specific planned shoot (as opposed to the GP snapping away at anything & everything) associated directly with a stable or combination. That could easily number upwards of 50 people at a reasonable level event.

But you are right in the sense that if you are shooting commercially for anyone other than a direct connection then you need permission.
 
that is incredibly daft and potentially dangerous advice. Unless you know the event, the course and how a horse is likely to react to any myriad influences, then stay back.

This is good advice to follow and perhaps I should have made myself clearer as to my intentions for crafting a vision.

It is my opinion that getting in close (as close as is safe) is directly proportional to the quality of the image, I think there is a subconscious link between the perspective and the viewers ability to understand the risk undertaken for the photograph. Think of it like photojournalism, the pulitzer prize winners are shot from close in with a 35mm lens on a rangefinder- not with a 300mm lens from the safety of a building, get involved with the subject- it translates into more visceral images.

I guess we have differing opinions on how we would shoot this event, I don't consider myself a commercial 'photographer', I am an artist who's brush is a camera- It is not my goal to document what they saw from where they sat, but rather to give them something they couldn't see. The motorbike image I posted above was highly regarded and people involved with the race wanted to purchase it, but it has no artistic merit above its station, it's not unique, or interesting, or evocative- it's an picture, not an image
 
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This is good advice to follow and perhaps I should have made myself clearer as to my intentions for crafting a vision.

It is my opinion that getting in close (as close as is safe) is directly proportional to the quality of the image, I think there is a subconscious link between the perspective and the viewers ability to understand the risk undertaken for the photograph. Think of it like photojournalism, the pulitzer prize winners are shot from close in with a 35mm lens on a rangefinder- not with a 300mm lens from the safety of a building, get involved with the subject- it translates into more visceral images.

I guess we have differing opinions on how we would shoot this event, I don't consider myself a commercial 'photographer', I am an artist who's brush is a camera- It is not my goal to document what they saw from where they sat, but rather to give them something they couldn't see. The motorbike image I posted above was highly regarded and people involved with the race wanted to purchase it, but it has no artistic merit above its station, it's not unique, or interesting, or evocative- it's an picture, not an image

That's fine, but when someone is asking for advice for a first time shoot you give them the basic information that will lead to an understanding of the subject matter, which in turn will create a foundation that they can build on. Once they've got that on board and are capturing the images that the mainstream horse world wants (which is the whole purpose of this thread after all) then they can get as creative and expressive as they want.

Just to reiterate, you don't suggest to someone who has never wielded a camera around a horse that they get up close and personal with a quarter of a ton animal moving at upwards of 30mph with its own brain, especially when you can make that brain go haywire with the wrong move, no matter how much equestrian knowledge they have. Once you've got a camera in your mits (and more importantly your face pressed into the viewfinder) it's an entirely different ball game.
 
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asked and answered too many times... if you dont want the answer why ask ?

What are you on about? I didn't ask anything that you've given an answer to.

Let me put it simply. It's someone taking photos for a mate, it's not a commercial shoot.

Someone taking photos for their own pleasure = Person standing taking photos of horses jumping

Someone taking photos for a mate = Person standing taking photos of horses jumping

As long as it's not for commercial reasons, why on earth would the organiser want to be contacted?
 
As long as it's not for commercial reasons, why on earth would the organiser want to be contacted?

Because his 'equipment' might look like his destination output is intended for higher places than his friends photo album

He might not be viewed with such scrutiny if he shoots it with an iphone?

Seriously this is the blessing and the curse I face by shooting a 1d- i've gotten photo passes before just based on the assumption of my camera, and conversely i've been denied the right to take photos because my gear was infringing the event 'togs, when there were people clearly shooting with compacts and other cameras. I wonder where they draw the line?
 
Marc, I think we (or I) looked at this from a semi business point of view. After all the other threads that say you should not be shooting 'commercially' if there is a 'Pro' present.

Your tone is coming across quite shouty, yes it's understandable that the event tog doesn't need to be hampered all day with people and their good manners, but the op is acting as a 'pro' in this case by being asked to carry out a shoot, albeit for a friend.

May have the wrong end of the stick :shrug: but don't shout me down for attempting to advocate some basic manners.

Phil.
 
Because his 'equipment' might look like his destination output is intended for higher places than his friends photo album

He might not be viewed with such scrutiny if he shoots it with an iphone?

Seriously this is the blessing and the curse I face by shooting a 1d- i've gotten photo passes before just based on the assumption of my camera, and conversely i've been denied the right to take photos because my gear was infringing the event 'togs, when there were people clearly shooting with compacts and other cameras. I wonder where they draw the line?

Never had an issue at Equestrian events. Plenty of people with expensive gear there, no-one bats an eyelid. As for event togs, only once had one being an arse and he was quickly put in his place.
 
Marc, I think we (or I) looked at this from a semi business point of view. After all the other threads that say you should not be shooting 'commercially' if there is a 'Pro' present.

Your tone is coming across quite shouty, yes it's understandable that the event tog doesn't need to be hampered all day with people and their good manners, but the op is acting as a 'pro' in this case by being asked to carry out a shoot, albeit for a friend.

May have the wrong end of the stick :shrug: but don't shout me down for attempting to advocate some basic manners.

Phil.

Not shouting at anyone Phil and I apologise if I'm coming across that way. We're not talking about event togs but organisers by the way. ;)

My point is that the op is not acting as a pro as he is just taking pictures for a mate. As I said, in this case, manners doesn't come into it as it's not bad manners to take photos at an event where you are allowed to take photos.
 
Maybe that's where the confusion lies, I'm looking at it from an 'event scenario' POV. No offence taken btw, we're all grown ups ;)
 
Kipax, maybe you should spend less time announcing to the World that your here and concentrate more on just being here.
 
Grrr having to retype this because I just deleted the last 10 min worth of scribbling by mistake! :bang:



Aside from the shutter speed issue that's already been dealt with, that is incredibly daft and potentially dangerous advice. Unless you know the event, the course and how a horse is likely to react to any myriad influences, then stay back.

======= ======== =======

Right, this thread has excellent examples of the three basic SJ shots:

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=331279

No1, the 45° angle: the easiest to make both rider and horse look good. Great for beginners of both species and a good seller.

No2, Head on: a dual purpose shot used for press and editorial as well as for parents who are more focused on their offspring enjoying the money that they've spent on the four hoofed wonder than the actual animal itself. Also great for environmental shots as there is less of the combination to fill up the frame. A lot more difficult to track the subject on to the fence and with them approaching head on much easier to fluff the focus.

No4, Side on: The most technically demanding in terms of making the horse, rider and photographer look good. Best used for experienced combinations or those who don't know what they're looking at. Used to evaluate the horse for training or for sales advertising, and also used as a training aid for jockeys. An instant sale if you (and they) get it right, in the bin if you/they don't. It should be exactly as seen; horse 1/2 to 1 ft off the ground, back legs together for an even take off (and muscle/bone wear), front tucked up and parallel. Rider up on the horse, showing well.

Tech:

Shutter speed of 1/500th min preferably 1/800th.
f/4 if you can get away with it, but check your depth of field in relation to aperture, focal length and focal distance. You may need to go out to f/5.6 to achieve critical focus on both horse and rider at times.

Exposure. Either M or Av.

Manual if you are just covering one fence. Meter off the ground in front of the fence (preferably grass or sand). If you are covering more than one fence and the light is even use M for that as well.

If you are covering the whole ring and the light varies with shade etc then use Av, but bear the following in mind:
Horse's colour: adjust approx +1 EC for Greys, +1/3 for Chestnuts and -1 for Dark Bays vary for shades in between. Scan the entire ground and watch the shutter speed. If it drops below your desired minimum up the ISO. Centre weighted seems to work better than most other methods, even if it is a bit old hat.

Use AI Servo and High continuous until you can guarantee that your timing is good enough to get exactly the shot that you want with one frame. Personally I always use 2-3 frames per fence, but others don't.

Jpeg v RAW - entirely your choice.

I absolutely understand where Kipax is coming from, but speaking as an organiser if everybody came up and asked permission to shoot it would drive me mad. The exceptions are commercial shooting for open sale and press seeking accreditation (this should have been booked in advance anyway).

Always be aware of what the animal is doing, where it is and where it's escape routes are - although this shouldn't be so much of an issue with an SJ ring as it is with XC on an open course.

Spot on advice from somebody who knows what they are talking about. :thumbs:
 
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