BBC News Story : Over half of women's waists 'too big'

And just to add, the eating disorder is only the thin end if the wedge, there are far more problems with the whole self image thing, she us always asking to have get photo taken why? Because she needs to check she looks ok. She honestly believes she its overweight, when she isn't. you have to walk on egg shells a lot of the time so not to send her off into another spiral if binge eating and throwing up, fortunately we don't have to much of a problem but self harm is also a big issue.

The effect it has on the whole family is massive, I can tell you I have cried myself to sleep on many occasions having sat in on some of counselling, I truly us heat breaking hearing what they are going through.

I will just say, as I said earlier, it is a mental illness, the physical signs are just the tip of the iceberg,

I would urge everyone to think before they post our say anything thing about it to anyone re eating disorders and weight.

One of the lads in one if my daughters class said he would never talk to any stupid bitch with a eating disorder as they are mad, at which point she piped upped asked why he was talking to her, he was a little shocked and embarrassed to say the least
 
Russ77 said:
I detect a sarcastic tone so I will assume your comment is rhetorical.
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Actually no, I'm interested....I'd love to read some medical research which proves that whilst eating disorders resulting in severe malnutrition are caused by mental health issues, eating disorders resulting in severe obesity are not. (Incidentally, by medical research I don't mean something published in the Daily Mail / Mailonline, and writen by one of thier "reporters".)
 
BMI I believe has been responsible for putting some folk out of work. My son who is a commercial diver told me when medicals for the divers introduced the new bmi rules it effectively made a lof of divers fail their medicals cos they were over the limit. A few he knows were all muscle, fit as fiddles but because the muscle put them over the limit, they had to lose all the muscle to get the weight down pass the medical.

I know who I'd prefer with me a hundred odd feet down on the sea bed with and it wouldn't be some skinny thin stick man of a diver, I'd want someone with the strength to be able to haul me up if something went wrong.
 
viv1969 said:
Actually no, I'm interested....I'd love to read some medical research which proves that whilst eating disorders resulting in severe malnutrition are caused by mental health issues, eating disorders resulting in severe obesity are not. (Incidentally, by medical research I don't mean something published in the Daily Mail / Mailonline, and writen by one of thier "reporters".)
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Don't generally read newspapers (online or otherwise) but my Granddad was morbidly obese (5ft 3in tall & 24st) so I have a little insight.

I was speaking generally that in most cases, people becoming obese is more likely to be cause by eating too much of the wrong foods and not doing enough exercise.
 
Russ77 said:
Don't generally read newspapers (online or otherwise) but my Granddad was morbidly obese (5ft 3in tall & 24st) so I have a little insight.

I was speaking generally that in most cases, people becoming obese is more likely to be cause by eating too much of the wrong foods and not doing enough exercise.
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Hi Russ, but can't you see how that's a bit like me saying that being anorexic / bulemic is more likely to be caused by a person's own vanity and constant desire to be more attractive, if only to themselves? It's just as much a sweeping generalisation.

(Dave, please understand that what is written above is in now way my opinion on anorexia / bulemia. I am just attempting to get people to acknowledge the possibility that many cases of morbid obeisty can also be caused by mental health conditions....I wish your daughter every bit of luck with her continuing management / recovery)
 
MWHCVT said:
I have to say while I'm not female I still find the title of this thread rather offensive, it strikes me as a title decided upon to cause offence :shake:
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Whilst I applaud your attempt to psycho analyse me, you are 100% wrong. As I explained it was all tongue in cheek and not meant to offend anyone. Contrary to what you, and others, want to believe my goal in life is not to go around offending everyone, and if you are offended at my wit - then I'm sorry. But that wasn't my goal.
 
viv1969 said:
Hi Russ, but can't you see how that's a bit like me saying that being anorexic / bulemic is more likely to be caused by a person's own vanity and constant desire to be more attractive, if only to themselves? It's just as much a sweeping generalisation.

(Dave, please understand that what is written above is in now way my opinion on anorexia / bulemia. I am just attempting to get people to acknowledge the possibility that many cases of morbid obeisty can also be caused by mental health conditions....I wish your daughter every bit of luck with her continuing management / recovery)
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And I fully agree, I had actually started to write a reply saying the same thing, I think the problem generally is peoples attitudes to mental health issues, it is so taboo, they don't want to admit that they have our someone they live has mental health illness due to the stigma
 
viv1969 said:
Hi Russ, but can't you see how that's a bit like me saying that being anorexic / bulemic is more likely to be caused by a person's own vanity and constant desire to be more attractive, if only to themselves? It's just as much a sweeping generalisation.

(Dave, please understand that what is written above is in now way my opinion on anorexia / bulemia. I am just attempting to get people to acknowledge the possibility that many cases of morbid obeisty can also be caused by mental health conditions....I wish your daughter every bit of luck with her continuing management / recovery)
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You're completely taking what I've said out of context, I'm not saying that obesity is never caused by mental health problems, I'm talking in general terms people get fat because they eat too much and don't do enough.

Eating disorders whether eating too much/too little are a completely different matter though and the reason why someone develops anorexia or bulimia are likely to be extremely complex.

Although I have to say your condescending tone is starting to get a little irritating now so I think I'm just going to leave it here. I know what I mean and am trying to make a GENERAL point about the article the OP posted, no one else seems to have too much of a problem with what I'm saying apart from you :bang: :wave:
 
Russ77 said:
You're completely taking what I've said out of context, I'm not saying that obesity is never caused by mental health problems, I'm talking in general terms people get fat because they eat too much and don't do enough.

Eating disorders whether eating too much/too little are a completely different matter though and the reason why someone develops anorexia or bulimia are likely to be extremely complex.

Although I have to say your condescending tone is starting to get a little irritating now so I think I'm just going to leave it here. I know what I mean and am trying to make a GENERAL point about the article the OP posted, no one else seems to have too much of a problem with what I'm saying apart from you :bang: :wave:
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I have to agree with you on this, there are far too many who just trip out the same old excuse that it's a mental illness and not their fault.

YES there are some who suffer from mental problems or a genuine medical condition, but there are a hell of a lot who just use that as an excuse for eating the wrong food and sitting on their bums all the time.

I'm sure there was a report a few months ago from doctors saying we should stop call people obese as this infers a medical condition we should just say they are fat.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Whilst I applaud your attempt to psycho analyse me, you are 100% wrong. As I explained it was all tongue in cheek and not meant to offend anyone. Contrary to what you, and others, want to believe my goal in life is not to go around offending everyone, and if you are offended at my wit - then I'm sorry. But that wasn't my goal.
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I guess weather you intended or not to cause offence I guess only you would know but as to if you did or not I know for a fact that in my case you did....
 
acetone said:
I'm sure there was a report a few months ago from doctors saying we should stop call people obese as this infers a medical condition we should just say they are fat.
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In that case can we stop calling everyone who can't spell "dyslexic" and go back to "thick" ;)
 
Flash In The Pan said:
In that case can we stop calling everyone who can't spell "dyslexic" and go back to "thick" ;)
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Hardly the same thing! Acetone is correct in that doctors decided the best way to help fat people is to to tell fat people they are fat.... and stop fuelling their excuses..... Anyway I know about being dyslexic and its problems ever since being invited to a toga party ............


I went dressed as a goat.. :shake:
 
Splog said:
Hardly the same thing! Acetone is correct in that doctors decided the best way to help fat people is to to tell fat people they are fat.... and stop fuelling their excuses..... Anyway I know about being dyslexic and its problems ever since being invited to a toga party ............

I went dressed as a goat.. :shake:
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Are you (both) really saying that telling someone they are obese, rather than fat, makes them view their situation differently? Personally if my doctor called me obese rather than just fat I'd be more concerned.

Oh.....wait :lol:
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Are you (both) really saying that telling someone they are obese, rather than fat, makes them view their situation differently? Personally if my doctor called me obese rather than just fat I'd be more concerned.

Oh.....wait :lol:
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No! It's when they use 'clinically' or other phrases so that fat people link to an excuse for their problem....... fact is that fat people are fat because they eat too much for their lifestyle and don't exercise enough..... :thumbs:
 
Splog said:
No! It's when they use 'clinically' or other phrases so that fat people link to an excuse for their problem....... fact is that fat people are fat because they eat too much for their lifestyle and don't exercise enough..... :thumbs:
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It's not quite as simple as that . I know several people that have sedentary lifestyles and average or poor diets yet are rake thin.

Without exception they are all smokers though....
 
Flash In The Pan said:
It's not quite as simple as that . I know several people that have sedentary lifestyles and average or poor diets yet are rake thin.

Without exception they are all smokers though....
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It's still their life style choice though.... Calories in more than calories used equals increase in fat..... also shows that smoking isn't all that bad after all ;)
 
It's just a culture thing. Booze and huge fat/calorie heavy meals are a western trademark. Westerners are only 1% of the population here but I'm pretty sure they are at least 20% of the biomass ha! It's quite embarrassing all the massive fatties trundling around here.
 
Being ovewreight doesn't always meanbeing unhealthy though
When I had to go into hosital last year for surgery I was in the orange band weight wise, but everything else was fine, I'd had just about every blood test available, blood pressure on the low side but apparently I've always had that.

My job means I am on the go from 6am till 12/1pm and sometimes later, then I come home, house work, walk the dog.

In real terms I an far fitter and healthier then many of my correct weight friends as shows when we go out for a day
 
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Gremlin said:
Being ovewreight doesn't always meanbeing unhealthy though
When I had to go into hosital last year for surgery I was in the orange band weight wise, but everything else was fine, I'd had just about every blood test available, blood pressure on the low side but apparently I've always had that.

My job means I am on the go from 6am till 12/1pm and sometimes layer, then I come home, house work, walk the dog.

In real terms I an far fitter and healthier then many of my correct weight friends as shows when we go out for a day
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Agreed!!! Weight isn't everything and you often hear about people being "fat on the inside" where they have a low level of fitness and/or high cholesterol. Two examples.... My Granddad who I already mentioned, 60 odd years old, 5ft 3in tall and 24 stone (his waist was rounder than he was tall :eek: ) had a low cholesterol level. My wife's Dad weighs under 8st and is a very small bloke, looks fit but has a high cholesterol level that he has to manage.
 
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