BBC, My photos, and a bullet hole in my foot.

urbansickness said:
what has this got to do with this thread??

climbing up scaffold which is regular used by engineers checking the chimneys you mean? wooo, i must be crazy.

ignorance. very dangerous
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Do you realise, and I am not going to make it an issue, but entering these sites, and "taking" x rays, etc OFF the property, is a VERY serious criminal offense? I have been described as a complete knob for what I have done, yet guys on your forum ar BRAGGING about stealing this confidential info, I mean who ultimately is being daft here???

And to top it off, one of your members has more or less invited your guys to "go fetch", so threats of violence too. And you are WORRIED that I will bring your community a bad rep? I just hope for the sake of your forum, that the BBC are not reading any of this.

G.
 
EdinburghGary said:
Do you realise, and I am not going to make it an issue, but entering these sites, and "taking" x rays, etc OFF the property, is a VERY serious criminal offense? I have been described as a complete knob for what I have done, yet guys on your forum ar BRAGGING about stealing this confidential info, I mean who ultimately is being daft here???

And to top it off, one of your members has more or less invited your guys to "go fetch", so threats of violence too. And you are WORRIED that I will bring your community a bad rep? I just hope for the sake of your forum, that the BBC are not reading any of this.

G.
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I've saved a copy of the threads for the BBC, in case they want them and they disappear off their forum for any reason ;)
 
mattyh said:
I've saved a copy of the threads for the BBC, in case they want them and they disappear off their forum for any reason ;)
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haha they are interestingly showing a database error for me now.

EDIT - ok, that just a fluke.
 
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=432906&postcount=7

There's a real sense of mixed up priorities going on here.

For sure, Gary may well have screwed up an Urbex site. But is that so important. Really?

I link to the above post because I understood that the Urbex creed was to leave things as they were found.

For the Urbex people to get so upset about this seems such a blinkered view. It was not a **** up and it was all intended in a good way.

Its not really important.
 
EdinburghGary said:
Do you realise, and I am not going to make it an issue, but entering these sites, and "taking" x rays, etc OFF the property, is a VERY serious criminal offense? I have been described as a complete knob for what I have done, yet guys on your forum ar BRAGGING about stealing this confidential info, I mean who ultimately is being daft here???

And to top it off, one of your members has more or less invited your guys to "go fetch", so threats of violence too. And you are WORRIED that I will bring your community a bad rep? I just hope for the sake of your forum, that the BBC are not reading any of this.

G.
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trespass is not illegal in England, taking stuff from sites is no different from stealing, if they decide to take things thats, down to them.

I am a member on 28days, but do not post on there, apart from a link on my site i have no association with them anymore
 
Gary,
I read all the posts last night, and have just read the last 6 odd pages now.
I seriously don't know what to say but people seriously seem to have thier wires crossed on other forums as the vid comes across as you dobbed the NHS in, not showing why u took the pix, as a hobby, not to uncover secrets and make a story.
Peeps fro those sites are reading this... or then again can they read? as they are obviously missing the point..
You know that yu have masses of support here, and to top it off, the polices support to as they stated u did a good thing.
The admin is saving the posts, u save the emails so if it gets unbearable.. u have the evidence of harrassment.
Now to the peeps that are having a go... taking pix in a hospital with no ill will is bad? but harrasing a fellow photographer harrassed is ok?
I know who I would like to be mates with! Gary you are a top bloke!!
 
EdinburghGary said:
Im still here guys, and have been given the all clear by the police, who said I did a service.

Gary.
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Man, you really are going to need that holiday now!

Don't let em grind you down mate, you can see the support for you on here :clap:

:thumbs:Neil
 
Trev Rich said:
Gary,
I read all the posts last night, and have just read the last 6 odd pages now.
I seriously don't know what to say but people seriously seem to have thier wires crossed on other forums as the vid comes across as you dobbed the NHS in, not showing why u took the pix, as a hobby, not to uncover secrets and make a story.
Peeps fro those sites are reading this... or then again can they read? as they are obviously missing the point..
You know that yu have masses of support here, and to top it off, the polices support to as they stated u did a good thing.
The admin is saving the posts, u save the emails so if it gets unbearable.. u have the evidence of harrassment.
Now to the peeps that are having a go... taking pix in a hospital with no ill will is bad? but harrasing a fellow photographer harrassed is ok?
I know who I would like to be mates with! Gary you are a top bloke!!
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Damn straight.
 
mattyh said:
trespass
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In scotland maybe, but not in england

Tresspass is a civil offence, only punishable by a private prosicution by the land owner.

The police can only intervene if you have been stealing or damaging the property i.e broken in, or refuse to leave site when asked by security or landowner when it becomes aggrevated trespass.
 
In Scotland, tresspass is also a civil offense. If you are asked to leave you leave, if you don't then it becomes a more seriously offence.
 
urbansickness said:
In scotland maybe, but not in england

Tresspass is a civil offence, only punishable by a private prosicution by the land owner.

The police can only intervene if you have been stealing or damaging the property i.e broken in, or refuse to leave site when asked by security or landowner when it becomes aggrevated trespass.
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Same here in Scotland, you are right. Taking stuff OFF SITE is a completely different ball game! :)

Not accusing you mate.

Gary.
 
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=31845

It seems as though 'urbex' have some twisted standards in relation to the moral and ethical high ground..........

Not directed at the website, however there seems to be an element of bragging about items certain posters have stolen.......

take only pictures - leave only footprints :)
 
Jimmy_Lemon said:
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=432933#post432933 - hmm reading that would suggest lots of hospitals have info lying around, it is only me that that concerns? and the fact people are keeping random stuff they found? I always thought urbex was about visiting historical places etc and either making a record or just seeing them for yourselves....keeping personal files like this just seems very iffy to me. Fair enough getting a discarded memento from an old cinema or some commercial place, but someones personal xrays?

Again, I guess this is only some urbex people, but just going on those responses it makes me wonder :|

For the record I don't think you have done anything wrong EG, can't even see how you have put anyone in a bad light (apart from the Security working there and the NHS for leaving that info there!). It seems urbex people have been stung by bad press before and are now hyper defensive, but as urbex is not even mentioned some of them have decided to have a go at you for nothing. But then again I don't really see how the story was sensationalised, seems to me the facts were pretty much reported how they appear.

Interesting thread though, guessing not so much for you though Gary - has certainly made me cautious of what seems like a fair chunk of the urbex community.
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EdinburghGary said:
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=432933#post432933

^^ Go fetch? Looks like I better watch my back afterall :)

Nice cummunity, not!

G.
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mobilevirgin said:
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=432906&postcount=7

There's a real sense of mixed up priorities going on here.

For sure, Gary may well have screwed up an Urbex site. But is that so important. Really?

I link to the above post because I understood that the Urbex creed was to leave things as they were found.

For the Urbex people to get so upset about this seems such a blinkered view. It was not a **** up and it was all intended in a good way.

Its not really important.
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Hooky said:
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=31845

It seems as though 'urbex' have some twisted standards in relation to the moral and ethical high ground..........

Not directed at the website, however there seems to be an element of bragging about items certain posters have stolen.......

take only pictures - leave only footprints :)
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We must be giving them a fair bit of traffic :p
 
urbansickness said:
not too well, its caused an uproar if you want to know.

Going to the press causing a site to get locked down is not good. Just this incident could cause plenty of other sights to get tighter.

Go to a site , take a few pictures, get out, no one knows youve been there.

You found a few medical records, great.
Now the press have rinsed the story for all its worth.:bang:
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Listen Mr-I-am-slick, the guy has already suffered enough because of this. Why don't you give it a rest?

The way you are talking it's like you want to go into live nuclear sub bases or something.

I am fairly new to photography having had my D-SLR for just over a year and going at it hard since then. I have done some urbex as well as most other genres and I don't class myself as any kind of expert. Nor do I take the moral high ground like you are here. You seem to be classing urbex and those who shoot that genre as being higher up the food chain than anyone else.

How many 'togs that *might* have gone to Law Hospital are actually affected by this? My bet is that I can count them all on my fingers, toes and other extremities.

Yes, the OP has found some stuff that *does* concern people. I am not saying the BBC went the right way about it at all - I think they were very underhand in the way they dealt with him. The fact remains that we would not like our details, or that of our families being left lying around and kudos to him for being brave enough to say that in public, in the face of people like you.

I am sure you will find other urban decay sites (it's not even urban - it's in the middle of ****ing nowhere) to photograph. It will be gone in a year or two anyway. Live with it. Move on.
 
JackSparrow said:
Listen Mr-I-am-slick, the guy has already suffered enough because of this. Why don't you give it a rest?

The way you are talking it's like you want to go into live nuclear sub bases or something.

I am fairly new to photography having had my D-SLR for just over a year and going at it hard since then. I have done some urbex as well as most other genres and I don't class myself as any kind of expert. Nor do I take the moral high ground like you are here. You seem to be classing urbex and those who shoot that genre as being higher up the food chain than anyone else.

How many 'togs that *might* have gone to Law Hospital are actually affected by this? My bet is that I can count them all on my fingers, toes and other extremities.

Yes, the OP has found some stuff that *does* concern people. I am not saying the BBC went the right way about it at all - I think they were very underhand in the way they dealt with him. The fact remains that we would not like our details, or that of our families being left lying around and kudos to him for being brave enough to say that in public, in the face of people like you.

I am sure you will find other urban decay sites (it's not even urban - it's in the middle of ****ing nowhere) to photograph. It will be gone in a year or two anyway. Live with it. Move on.
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well said..
And I've just re-read my original post.. damn my spelling and stuff was bad...!!
All I can say in my defence is that my wife has just bottled her homemade apple wine and it's seriously potent.. I best chech the % before i go blind!!
However, what I said still kinda makes sense:thumbs:
 
There is something that is bothering me Gary , why... Why did you go ahead with it even though i warned you and lots of other's here on TP. You was warned the BBC are full of sh and would twish the story to their gain!.

Did the thought of an interview go to your head? , whats done is done but please listen to your friends on tp!


Taking about the BBC rather than keyboard warriors
 
JackSparrow said:
Listen Mr-I-am-slick, the guy has already suffered enough because of this. Why don't you give it a rest?

The way you are talking it's like you want to go into live nuclear sub bases or something.

I am fairly new to photography having had my D-SLR for just over a year and going at it hard since then. I have done some urbex as well as most other genres and I don't class myself as any kind of expert. Nor do I take the moral high ground like you are here. You seem to be classing urbex and those who shoot that genre as being higher up the food chain than anyone else.

How many 'togs that *might* have gone to Law Hospital are actually affected by this? My bet is that I can count them all on my fingers, toes and other extremities.

Yes, the OP has found some stuff that *does* concern people. I am not saying the BBC went the right way about it at all - I think they were very underhand in the way they dealt with him. The fact remains that we would not like our details, or that of our families being left lying around and kudos to him for being brave enough to say that in public, in the face of people like you.

I am sure you will find other urban decay sites (it's not even urban - it's in the middle of ****ing nowhere) to photograph. It will be gone in a year or two anyway. Live with it. Move on.
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sounds like your just arguing for the sake of it.

~give it a rest - im entitled to my opinion espcially as i do UE

~Morale high ground - if there was no morales the world would be pretty ******ed up

~togs effected by this? not many. urban explorers, lots!

~urban in terms of UE covers a wide aspect.

~Live with it, move on. - i had until you posted this crap
 
Pirate Neilsouth said:
There is something that is bothering me Gary , why... Why did you go ahead with it even though i warned you and lots of other's here on TP. You was warned the BBC are full of sh and would twish the story to their gain!.

Did the thought of an interview go to your head? , whats done is done but please listen to your friends on tp!


Taking about the BBC rather than keyboard warriors
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I was promised I would get the photography story across, and a gallery. I got the gallery, the photography bit has been left out. Interview or not, the story was gonna break with my name. I thought I could at least say the bit for togging, which I did, but it never made the cut.

G.
 
EdinburghGary said:
I was promised I would get the photography story across, and a gallery. I got the gallery, the photography bit has been left out. Interview or not, the story was gonna break with my name. I thought I could at least say the bit for togging, which I did, but it never made the cut.

G.
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Should've said you was an ethnic , they'd bend over backwards to get every bit of the cut in :gag:
 
i was here long before this thread started, just because im not on here everyday and post alot means i cant post in this topic.

Disapear? becuase you dont agree with my opinion. How narrow minded.

<-- join date july 2007 , dont think this threads been going that long.
 
urbansickness said:
i was here long before this thread started, just because im not on here everyday and post alot means i cant post in this topic.

Disapear? becuase you dont agree with my opinion. How narrow minded.

<-- join date july 2007 , dont think this threads been going that long.
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I know I have touched a nerve with you. Perhaps if you are to understand my situation, you can help your fellow explorers calm down. I did not want to ruin any site or lift the lid on your hobby. And I don't think this story will do that either. The NHS are going to get a bollocking, and then it will die down. Look at Dundee two months ago, you would have thought it would have resulted in a clamp down no?

Gary.
 
FAO Gary

I'm sure this will all blow over soon enough, 100% behind you

And while no doubt the site will be 'off limits' for the urbex community for a short while, I am positive that the site in question will no doubt become accessible once again in the near future.

Once the story has blown over and the relevant parties have done a sweep removing any further confidential details, things will go back to normal, security will return to its previous state, and no doubt another hole will appear in that fence soon enough :thumbs:
 
EdinburghGary said:
I know I have touched a nerve with you. Perhaps if you are to understand my situation, you can help your fellow explorers calm down. I did not want to ruin any site or lift the lid on your hobby. And I don't think this story will do that either. The NHS are going to get a bollocking, and then it will die down. Look at Dundee two months ago, you would have thought it would have resulted in a clamp down no?

Gary.
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i understand why you did it and you werent to know the story would unfold the way it did. i accept you didnt do mean this to happen

I find it frustrating that it could effect my hobby and that of other people who do UE , but its not the end of the world.


I get more mad though when other posters join in the thread with irrelevent comments, moaning at me for my opinion.:thumbsdown:
 
urbansickness said:
see his side? what did he expect was going to happen. If you deal with the press expect to get shafted, they dont care who you are or if your a nice guy.
They will take what they want from you, manipulate and twist it until it fits a nice story, if Edinbrugh gary didnt see that coming hes a fool.
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If it'd have happend to me, and I thought my photos/photography were going to get noticed for what they were, would I be a fool aswell due to the fact I wouldn't have noticed either?...What about anyone else on the forum, is everyone who makes a mistake a fool?

Wind your neck in mate, he's made a mistake and is regretting it now, but considering he didn't go into it in the interest of screwing over Urbexers, I don't think it's fair to give him a harsh time over it.

As someone else mentioned, it's the BBC people should be frustrated at, not Gary. I don't know the guy, but I think any other photographer who wanted to be noticed for their photography within this site, and many others, would have done the same with only a small handful possibly knowing what the outcome may be, and passing on it.

Gary, fella, don't be bending over backwards to show how sorry you are to those who are being an arse with you, you've said you're sorry, and that it's a mistake, aswell as something you'll regret for a while. That's good enough IMO.
 
Really have to laugh at this thread. What a storm in a teacup. Its only xrays for gods sake, and eight year old ones at that. I seems to me that you wanted to get a little bit of "fame" and now you seem to be milking it for all its worth. You really think you are going to be targetted by photographers because you have made this hospital off limits. I really think you are blowing this out of proportion. My experiance of photographers is that most are geeky loaners who really wont be up to building a bomb to strap to your car.

This story is typical of scottish news, trying to compete with england for big scoops and this is the best they can come up with. My wife actually mentioned while whatching the news this evening (before I read this thread) that this was scotlands rather weak answer to the lost laptop, top secret documents stories, Its quite cute actually. There must heve been no wheelie bins stolen this recently for this to be the headline.

Wait and see though, next the bbc with contact the folk whos xrays were found and tomorrow we will have some schemie on the telly claiming mental distress and after some compo.

Did they ask you to bring along your photo gear or was that you idea?
 
Whats Ubex??


The bbc site says "The finding came to light after amateur photographer Gary Whittle sent shots of the hospital to the BBC Scotland news website."

But thats not how it happened is it. They saw your images and contacted you, right?
 
Dont worry about it Gary - I wouldnt have the balls to wonder around such a site (More of a silky water photo man myself)

However you found a wrong in society and made it public using photography. No harm in that imho - in fact I would say well done and a pat on the back for ya :)

Murray :)
 
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