Basic advice needed - indoor evening photography

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I've got a big family event coming up (evening wedding reception) and will no doubt be expected to take lots of photos although not in an official capacity. I dont know the inside of the venue nor will I see it before hand hence why I'm asking for general low light advice. I've only got:

550D with 18-55mm IS kit lens
50mm 1.8

to work with and hence need to make the most of it. I'm guessing that the light wont be great so what are my best options for getting decent shots?

I've got the on board flash only - should I be using it? I keep reading bad things about it but given its that or nothing what should I do?

I've not really had much chance to experiment so am nervous about using high ISO in case the photos are too grainy (and I have no idea about post processing either but could be willing to learn.....)

I had looked through the basic tutorials and have to say I'm not really any closer to knowing how to go about this. All advice gratefully received :)
 
If you have to use your built in flash, I would recommend turning the power of the flash down, so it doesn't create as harsh a light, but that would probably depend on how close you are to the subject. When you get there's it's probably worth taking a few sample shots to see how much you need to turn it down to get something you're happy with.

Oh and use your 50mm 1.8

Not sure if you could try making you own diffuser by using some piece of plastic and using a rubber band to hold it in place - might be worth a try?
 
I didn't even realise you could turn the power of the flash down - is it normally regulated by the camera or always full on? Diffuser is a new word to me - will need to do some homework but ideally I'd like to just work with what I have.

I was guessing the nifty fifty woudld probably be the lens to use.
 
Yeah not sure about Canon's but on the Nikon, it defaults to a set level, which you can easily lower or increase whilst looking through the viewfinder
 
How you approach it depends entirely on how much light you've got to work with, and the venue. If it's bright fluorecent light that's one thing, but if it's low tungsten, or low anything, quite another. The height and colour of the ceiling also makes a big difference, and gives you other options with bouce flash (with a separate gun).

So what's the situation, and is getting a decent flash gun an option?
 
HoppyUK said:
How you approach it depends entirely on how much light you've got to work with, and the venue. If it's bright fluorecent light that's one thing, but if it's low tungsten, or low anything, quite another. The height and colour of the ceiling also makes a big difference, and gives you other options with bouce flash (with a separate gun).

So what's the situation, and is getting a decent flash gun an option?


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A decent flash will make all the difference and you'll be able to use your zoom lens if its quite dark. Beg borrow or steal one before the night so you can practice. Safest way if the venue isn't too large would be firing a decent flash over your shoulder behind you so the bounce lifts the light levels and reduces the 'bat cave' look the POP up will give you. If the venue is too large then ceiling bounce with a fill card would be the next best thing I think. I'm suggesting this as its simple and will give you usable results.
 
Getting a flash gun is not an option - I have to work with what I've got.

I've not been in the venue before but its going to seat 120 folk so its a reasonable size but I have no idea of the lighting in the place. I'm not trying to get professional quality pics - just make the best of what I have. I also intend to enjoy myself so its not somethuing I'll be devoting the whole evening to either.
 
I've been in a similar situation with family events! Use the 50mm 1.8 for sure....I try to stay clear of the artificial look of the on board flash, but if you really need to use it you can make your own 'diffuser' (something that diffuses the harsh directional light from the flash to make it softer and more natural, i.e. more like sunlight)...even a simple piece of tissue paper or piece from a plastic milk carton can work ok - just tape it around your flash - you might look a bit stupid - but it's only family right? :P
 
I too am looking for tips as I am in a very similar situation. In particular I was looking to get some information on the settings that would be best used in low light situations. Apologies for hijacking your thread Allan!
 
Milesawaygirl said:
I too am looking for tips as I am in a very similar situation. In particular I was looking to get some information on the settings that would be best used in low light situations. Apologies for hijacking your thread Allan!


The foolproof method when its dark indoors is camera.in manual, shutter speed 125th sec, ISO 800, flash in TTL and bounced straight up to ceiling with a fill card to throw some light straight forward to get rid of racoon eyes. Pick the widest aperture you can get away with.

I would always bounce my flash off a wall or behind me but not everyone's flash swivels and it takes practice. The above isn't going to give you nice directional light, but it will get a safe shot and much nicer than POP up it direct flash.
 
The foolproof method when its dark indoors is camera.in manual, shutter speed 125th sec, ISO 800, flash in TTL and bounced straight up to ceiling with a fill card to throw some light straight forward to get rid of racoon eyes. Pick the widest aperture you can get away with.

I would always bounce my flash off a wall or behind me but not everyone's flash swivels and it takes practice. The above isn't going to give you nice directional light, but it will get a safe shot and much nicer than POP up it direct flash.

Thank you very much for your reply, that is exactly the advice I was after! :thumbs:

Would you be able to explain further: "flash in TTL and bounced straight up to ceiling with a fill card" I am very much new to lighting and am working with the flash on the d5000. I'm hoping to keep my role as unofficial photographer as subtle as possible, as I will hopefully be giving the couple a photobook of the event as their engagement present, so I am naturally nervous about getting it right!

Thank you for your advice!
 
Thank you very much for your reply, that is exactly the advice I was after! :thumbs:

Would you be able to explain further: "flash in TTL and bounced straight up to ceiling with a fill card" I am very much new to lighting and am working with the flash on the d5000. I'm hoping to keep my role as unofficial photographer as subtle as possible, as I will hopefully be giving the couple a photobook of the event as their engagement present, so I am naturally nervous about getting it right!

Thank you for your advice!

well to do this type of technique you need a flash that fits into the hotshoe of your camera, the flash head needs to be the type that you can tilt up so it points straight to the ceiling. Then you attach a pice of white card or plastic to the flash so it bounces a little light forward to your subjects. You can buy all sorts of special card devices and some flashes even have a little business card sized flap that pulls out. But a small card will mean a small light source, which means specular reflections on your subjects, it makes them look shiny and oily. A better solution is a piece of white card or plastic or foam, about half to full size A4 and just attach it to the flash with a hair elastic or velcro or tape.

You put the flash in TTL mode which is an auto type mode in which the flash sends out a flick of light milliseconds before the actual flash, the light coming back through the lens (TTL=through the lens) is measured and the flash output is adjusted automatically to give the correct exposure. You can overide what the flash 'thinks' is right using 'flash exposure compensation' FEC. If the flash always looks a little hot, just dial in a bit of negative FEC and it will reduce what it thinks it should output by that amount.

If you have a flash that has a swivel head as well as tilt, you can bounce the flash off a wall so the light coming back has a nice directional quality to it. The reason for bouncing is a bigger light source creates less harsh shadows = softer light. By firing the flash into the ceiling or wall, the surface that reflects the light back effectively becomes your light source, much bigger than the little flash on your camera. The added benefit is your light source effectively becomes further away from your subject, so fall off isn't as severe (read the stuff on inverse square law), so the surrounding areas are lit behind your subject more and it looks less like a cave. It also takes the light source off the axis of the lens which causes red eye.

This shot was taken with an SB900 bounce over my right shoulder but almost straight behind me, it is a little flat because the reflected light is still fairly straight on, but a lot better than direct flash. It was extemely dark in this venue, an old victorian mansion lit with tungsten lamps and small spots.

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I think I may have used a little bit of direct flash on the left hand one here, but I was shooting through a window and couldn't bounce it. It would have been turned way down though using FEC. The one on the right is bounce flash over my left shoulder, again almost directly behind me. I think I added a vignette to darken the people in the background but check the light on the girl, very soft shadows which gives a nice soft look to the light.

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I'm probably not the best at explaining it so heres a link to a very good website with lots of info on bounce flash. Neil uses the camera in manual, flash in TTL method all the time and gets very good results http://neilvn.com/tangents/


BTW I just realised these images are quire 'dark' examples, its the look I was going for and even added some vignette in post I think, but this technique will produce more 'open' images with a brighter cleaner feel too.
 
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Those pics are awesome Graham. I need to get myself a flash and start playing around with bounce flash etc.
 
When's the big day Latecomer2, wanna know how you get on

End of next week - am considering getting a external flash if I can pick one up cheap but may not happen. Am going to try experimenting with the camera on board flash to see how it goes too.

Need to do some homework too but really struggling for time at the moment.
 
Not a bad flash, I own one myself but defo invest in some decent alkaline batterys as this loves to eat the power then spit them out at you.


My Nissin flash is exactly the same lol

Seems I've constantly got AAs on charge these days :D
 
Just the exact one I was looking at in the classifieds :)

Have a reasonable stock of rechargables but not to hand for a few weeks though.
 
If you aren't looking at producing pro-quality shots, you don't really need an external flash. Obviously, if budget allows, a flash improves things although you do then open up a whole new world of learning.

One option if you don't have the budget is something like this: -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Diffuser-Ol...B9AM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1307089113&sr=8-4

The issue with your pop up flash is that its straight in your face and will leave your subjects looking like a ghost against a dark background. Anything you can do to diffuse or bounce the light is a good thing.

Failing that, a reasonably high ISO and a 50mm 1.8 (assuming you don't need a wider angle) will shoot in most kinds of situations and get decent results, particularly if you shoot in RAW and whack the results through something like Lightroom to sort any noise out.
 
its difficult but can be done. Its all a trade off between iso/noise, shutter speed/shake and subject movement. Practice now and you can improve.

The trick for me was being able to shoot down to 30th or even a 15th without camera shake. Its like being a sniper. Control breathing, relax and wait for the shot to come. Dont go and find it, you wont get set up in time. Just watch and wait. They will come.

All the shots here: www.dzstudios.co.uk click MUSIC then EVENTS, are without flash and are hand held.

It is a skill and can be improved with practice.

Good luck

tom
 
Just a note when using the flash over the shoulder....have a quick look behind you as you could blind a poor suspecting person having a nose over your shoulder...funny to the photographer not for the person with the burnt renters.
 
Danzaroonie said:
Just a note when using the flash over the shoulder....have a quick look behind you as you could blind a poor suspecting person having a nose over your shoulder...funny to the photographer not for the person with the burnt renters.


Yeah good point. If you read Neil's blog that I posted a link to he uses a flag most of the time, a piece of black foam attached to the flash. It's handy to position this so it blocks direct flash from hitting people behind you in the face when firing it behind you. You still have to be careful but it certainly helps.
 
Thank you everyone for the advice, particularly lensflair for the very detailed post, I'll be referring to that again.

Unfortunately I just couldn't get it right on the evening I was photographing.. I got enough shots that I was happy with to put into a photobook for my friend though so I hope she'll be happy with it.
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