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You mean the cases you don't know about, because you've never been to a sudden death caused by it. And those you don't know about, because you've not been to every PM ever conducted?
In fact, you have no idea what cannabis causes really, have you?

Anyway, we have flirted with legalising drugs before. The 1800's it was opiates. It was a failure. Downgrading cannabis was a failure, and it was soon re graded.

While I was a smoker, I realise that it wouldn't have ever been permitted if it was discovered today. The same applies to alcohol. They are only still permitted because it is almost impossible to ban them now.

Notwithstanding that impossibility, there's the small matter of revenue both of those bring in, it's huge. Without the tax on those products, the NHS would be an impossible dream, or be such a heavy tax burden, as to be pubically unacceptable.
 
Bernie174 said:
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You mean the cases you don't know about, because you've never been to a sudden death caused by it. And those you don't know about, because you've not been to every PM ever conducted?
In fact, you have no idea what cannabis causes really, have you?

Anyway, we have flirted with legalising drugs before. The 1800's it was opiates. It was a failure. Downgrading cannabis was a failure, and it was soon re graded.

While I was a smoker, I realise that it wouldn't have ever been permitted if it was discovered today. The same applies to alcohol. They are only still permitted because it is almost impossible to ban them now.

Notwithstanding that impossibility, there's the small matter of revenue both of those bring in, it's huge. Without the tax on those products, the NHS would be an impossible dream, or be such a heavy tax burden, as to be pubically unacceptable.
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Put so much better than I managed.
 
yoby said:
Holy Cow - was a tongue in cheek and somewhat sarcastic comment.
Of course it's rubbish - that's like saying only smoking causes cancer FFs.
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Sorry, I missed the winky thing :lol:
 
In case anyone forgets the real reason for a smoking ban at work . . No, it wan't for health reasons. (Though the hypocritical health fascists who jump all over these petty rules to quote them would have you believe it was) it was because insurance companies were sueing businesses that had their clients illnesses attributed to smokers in the same room.

Most people forget that a few breaths on any high St probably contains more poison and kills infinitely more people and children than you'd ever get from cigs in a pub tap room all evening,
and it's very unlikely that any goverment would abandon petrol/diesel vehicles on that health basis - They're all Health hypocrites!
Imagine the screams from the non smoking car driving, drum beaters then - All cars and wagons scrapped due to health reasons - Oh no!!! "lets stick together guys we really need our cars eh"
 
mercedes said:
Most people forget that a few breaths on any high St probably contains more poison and kills infinitely more people and children than you'd ever get from cigs in a pub tap room all evening,
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Evidence for this sweeping statement please
 
Over the top in my opinion. Where can we smoke anymore? I'm in the process of giving up but the way smokers are treated is just too much. Chap at work actually drives his 4x4 20 yards out into the road at lunch time so he can have a smoke in his car as smoking in your car on company premesis is an offence.

Death of the majority of pubs too. Is it necessary to ban it in all pubs? Not all are family pubs.
 
joescrivens said:
Evidence for this sweeping statement please
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Joe, I work with lots of very hazardous to health chemicals and solvents and we are legally allowed to extract a very large amount to outside air without any form of cleaning or 'scrubbing' There are limits and it's monitored but the crap that gets put into the air everyday really is there.
 
Splog said:
Joe, I work with lots of very hazardous to health chemicals and solvents and we are legally allowed to extract a very large amount to outside air without any form of cleaning or 'scrubbing' There are limits and it's monitored but the crap that gets put into the air everyday really is there.
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I didn't says wasn't there. I asked for evidence that a few breaths on a high street is worse for my health than an evening in a pub full of smokers
 
For a lot of people a car is a need. Smoking is never a need it is a want
 
joescrivens said:
I didn't says wasn't there. I asked for evidence that a few breaths on a high street is worse for my health than an evening in a pub full of smokers
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Indeed! My point was simply that people hear about smoking and all its evils but don't get told about or know about what else happens to keep the economy going.

Just to worry you a little more......... Do you remember Bhopal?

The plastics industry in this country pump large amounts of this stuff (Isocyanate's) into the atmosphere every year and okay it's in a slightly different form but that is just one chemical that causes cancer and is accepted because it makes the economy work....... Not much difference to tax on ciggies really but no Government would permit the BMA or anyone else to say such things. :thumbs:
 
I picked up a hitchhiker with a 'London' sign on the usual bit of cardboard they wave about. This was at Junction 10 of the M6. I tried to make conversation with him for a couple of miles, but it was like pulling teeth. I managed to drag out of him that he was a student, but he was generally just a morose little **** and I was really starting to regret picking him up and being lumbered with him all the way to London.

Just before Spaghetti Junction I reached for my fags at which point he told me quite arsily that he'd really rather I didn't smoke. I kicked him out at Spaghetti Junction at which point it had just started to rain. :D
 
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CaptainPenguin said:
Bloody health fascists at it again,I only smoke in the car when I am on my own and with the window open so it doesn't smell like an ashtray for any passengers at other times.And for all those in favour of a further ban just remember our taxes pay for the NHS 4 or 5 times over so if we all gave up tomorrow your taxes would go through the roof
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:plusone: and I quite smoking 3 years ago...
I love how people get upset about smokers polluting their air, yet don't give two hoots about the air pollution filling up their lungs from exhausts that can lead to potentially life threatening health conditions as well.
@ Joe
An 8 month old can't get out the car either when driver is sat in traffic, windows closed in a confined space, with air-con going full blast.
 
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CT said:
I picked up a hitchhiker with a 'London' sign on the usual bit of cardboard they wave about. This was at Junction 10 of the M6. I tried to make conversation with him for a couple of miles, but it was like pulling teeth. I managed to drag out of him that he was a student, but he was generally just a morose little **** and I was really starting to regret picking him up and being lumbered with him all the way to London.

Just before Spaghetti Junction I reached for my fags at which point he told me quite arsily that he'd really rather I didn't smoke. I kicked him out at Spaghetti Junction at which point it had just started to rain. :D
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:thumbs:
 
Just wondering how many of the anti smoking are also ex-smokers ?
You know the old saying about nothing being so self-righteous
I'm an ex smoker and can't say it worries me one way or the other.
I allow people to smoke in my car for the simple reason I know how stressfull it can be on a long jppourney if you can't smoke and has anyone thought that that may also distract the driver and cause an accident.
I have a lot of friends who still smoke and I'm not going to avoid them for that reason, I still remember how hard it was to giveup.
I can also remember when there were smoking and non smoking areas in pubs, restaurants etc, the smoking areas were always busier ;)
 
MomentCapture said:
@ Joe
An 8 month old can't get out the car either when driver is sat in traffic, windows closed in a confined space, with air-con going full blast.
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So because there are other instances when a baby is at risk of pollution it means that subjecting them to second hand smoke is ok?

Or were you making a different point?
 
MomentCapture said:
:plusone: and I quite smoking 3 years ago...
I love how people get upset about smokers polluting their air, yet don't give two hoots about the air pollution filling up their lungs from exhausts that can lead to potentially life threatening health conditions as well.
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But we do give two hoots, that is just your assumption. I hate all pollution and littering (different subject but it also ties in with smokers who 90% of the time toss their half smoked butt ends into the street).

As for the person who asked about how many of us are ex smokers......... I have never smoked, it is not hard to say NO.
 
Could one of the smokers please explain to me the raison d'etre behind taking up smoking? I could understand if it gave you a 'high', but from what I can see all it does it make your breath stink, your clothes stink and shorten your life, not to mention costing enough each year to buy a new pro camera body....:thinking: :shrug:
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Could one of the smokers please explain to me the raison d'etre behind taking up smoking? I could understand if it gave you a 'high', but from what I can see all it does it make your breath stink, your clothes stink and shorten your life, not to mention costing enough each year to buy a new pro camera body....:thinking: :shrug:
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Because it looks sophisticated, sexy and :cool:: :D
 
Its the British Medical Association who are calling for this NOT parliament, so lets get that out the way to start with.

The British Medical Association called for the extension of the current ban on smoking in public places after reviewing evidence of the dangers.

It highlighted research showing the levels of toxins in a car can be up to 23 times higher than in a smoky bar.

But a report by a cross-party group of MPs and peers said non-legislative options should be considered as well.

The All-Party Parliamentary Group on Smoking and Health even said calling for an immediate ban could be "counterproductive" as consensus needed to be built across society before taking such as step
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Cup of tea, news paper and a cigarette or two.... the perfect start to the day.
 
As a person who watched all four grandparents die of smoking related illnesses like lung cancer, and a person whose parents chain smoked while I was a child (they haven't changed), and as a person whose father is dying of cancer, but whose aunts and uncles are not I see and have observed the following trends in my family

Bear in mind - I am the only non-smoker from my side of my family, my cousins and one aunt and uncle dont smoke, their kids dont smoke family and my brother who is younger than me, is a heavy smoker

All my great grandparents lived into the 90's and one of them to 103, and none of them smoked, No smoker has got past 65 in my family

1. all the smokers died early, or get lung cancer at a fairly young age
2. Most of the smokers offspring are also smokers
3. my non-smoking aunt and Uncle are both the healthiest and oldest family I have left, and thier kids are easily the healthiest in the family
4. All of the smokers had, and still have no regard for the health of the non-smokers, not when we were kids, not now when we are adults

What amazes me that in the face of the bloody obvious, smoking exists at all in our society. If you want to die of lung cancer early, that's your choice, but dont inflict that onto your family and children who cant complain

With regards to the car - what they say makes sense, it is a distraction,and fills a car up with smoke, which the passengers have little opportunity to escape from. Adults can complain. Babies in cots can not etc.

Yes there are other distractions in cars that need addressing, but that's another argument

This is not me being sanctimonious, this is me observing the damn obvious from my family
 
cambsno said:
NHS gets less money as there is no fag tax collected. People start living longer costing more in NHS (hip replacements, and other things that go wrong when you get old) and cost us loads more in care and pensions. Maybe we should encourage people to smoke!:)
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joescrivens said:
but on the upside it probably saves money on dealing with cancer and emphysema
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Smoking doesn't just cause the illnesses mentioned it also prevents the body from working properly in other ways too. By smoking it reduces the bodies oxygen intake, which the body relies upon for healthy growth, even as you get older. Thus whilst a few may genuinely need hip replacements etc. for other reasons alot of things can be atributed to the fact that a person has or does smoke and that becomes a drain on the NHS, remove that also and that is less money to come out of the NHS coffers so taxes need not rise to compensate.
 
Splog said:
Because it looks sophisticated, sexy and :cool:: :D
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More like a
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I can't understand why anyone would want to smoke either. With alcohol it doesn't automatically harm you, it will harm you in excesses. You can drink a moderate amount of alcohol your whole life and never have any health implications. The same can be true of other drugs.

Smoking effects you right off the bat. It puzzles me when intelligent people choose that particular drug, i can understand it from the non educated but if you have half a brain cell then why would that be your drug of choice? Bizzare!
 
joescrivens said:
So because there are other instances when a baby is at risk of pollution it means that subjecting them to second hand smoke is ok?

Or were you making a different point?
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Yeh, you can't wrap them up in cotton wool and protect your children from every tiny risk in the world without ending up like Howard Hughes, if you did, that would be more harmful than chain-smoking in front of them.

Sure, be a good parent and protect your children from harm, however it's a balance, and you have to know where to draw the line.

I think government false propaganda skews peoples perception of the real risk and harm's in the world. This makes it difficult for parents to actually make informed decisions about their children's welfare.

For instance, how many parents are ok to give Ritalin to their children because they are told they are a little over-active in class?
How many of those parents would still be happy to medicate their children if you replaced Ritalin with Cocaine? because from a health standpoint there isn't much difference.

How many parents would feel their teenagers life was at grave risk if they found out they had been taking MDMA (ecstasy)?
How many parents wouldn't feel their teenagers life wasn't at immanent risk if they found their children had been consuming alcohol?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/30/drugs-adviser-david-nutt-sacked

http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/faqs/faqpages/why-do-people-die-after-taking-ecstasy

I'm all for people awareness and ad campaigns informing folks of risks etc. as I think that has a positive effect on society, what I'm not keen on is political dis-information being propagated through the airwaves with sheeple lapping it up like it's fact.

Tell me Joe, what are you going to feed your baby/children when they start putting fluoride in your water?
 
MomentCapture said:
Yeh, you can't wrap them up in cotton wool and protect your children from every tiny risk in the world without ending up like Howard Hughes, if you did, that would be more harmful than chain-smoking in front of them.
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You've said some stupid things in your time on here rhys but this takes the biscuit! :lol:

so because there are other things out there that harm our children we shouldn't prevent one that people do out of choice.
 
They already have banned smoking in some cars and vans. Any company vehicle is more classed the same as an office and is a smoke free area. thing is this law isn't upheld either, how many vans that are sign written do you see people smoking in? Driving every day for work our is amazing how many people still smoke in company cars and vans, I have never seen anyone stopped for it. I know there were a couple of cases when the law first came out but really nothing since. Personally I think every one should have a choice unless they are around children. When my first was born never smoked in the house our car, that just seemed wrong.
 
joescrivens said:
You've said some stupid things in your time on here rhys but this takes the biscuit! :lol:

so because there are other things out there that harm our children we shouldn't prevent one that people do out of choice.
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Try reading past the first sentence Joe ;)
 
joescrivens said:
yup, did that and I reiterate

You've said some stupid things in your time on here rhys but this takes the biscuit! :lol:
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Actually, asking you to re-read, re-evaluate, and expecting you to be able to suddenly think outside the box was the stupidest thing I'v done/said so far.

I would like to know what your plans are though for the following, being such a good/wise parent and all?

MomentCapture said:
Tell me Joe, what are you going to feed your baby/children when they start putting fluoride in your water?
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