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Always over bank holidays and I could be wrong but I think they did the same last Xmas .... ? Methinks they are taking the **** ... Or to put it another way they are hitting the customers for impact ...... :thumbsdown:
 
Nope, just another group of workers that think the best way to safeguard their jobs is to drive their employers to the verge of bankruptcy - it's a British tradition....
 
Seems strange to me that they pride themselves on paying 30K PA to employees which other airlines pay 18-22K yet as a result they say they need to chop 1 -3 cabin staff per flight.

Whilst I'm sure cabin staff do a grand job - I can't help think it isn't rocket science and they must know how many staff are required.
 
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Flash In The Pan said:
Nope, just another group of workers that think the best way to safeguard their jobs is to drive their employers to the verge of bankruptcy - it's a British tradition....
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I thought BA were doing a pretty good job of that without any help. I don't normally feel a lot of sympathy for strikers, but every time Walsh opens his mouth I feel for the people who have to work for him, he seems to have no comprehension of anybody else - which coupled with being useless and needlessly combative I think he'd drive me to strike also

Hugh
 
Toothie said:
im flying with them on the 3rd of jan :(
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Want a bet, Ruth? :naughty:

boyfalldown said:
I thought BA were doing a pretty good job of that without any help. I don't normally feel a lot of sympathy for strikers, but every time Walsh opens his mouth I feel for the people who have to work for him, he seems to have no comprehension of anybody else - which coupled with being useless and needlessly combative I think he'd drive me to strike also

Hugh
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Knowing the shoddy way they treat both staff and customers, I've never understood how they managed to figure out that they were " the world's favourite airline". Pretty much everyone from Virgin right down to FlyGlobespan manage to offer a far better customer experience and usually for a lot less money too.
 
I believe it is a working man/womans right to stand up for what they think is right.

It is no point going on strike when a company is not busy you have to make maximum impact that is just common sense.

There is always the risk that customers will go somewhere else and never come back, but if you dont stick up for what you believe you will be walked over.

Even if you dont get the outcome you want at least you know you tried.

I cannot understand people who moan about things but never get off their chairs and do something about it.
 
jolsterj said:
I believe it is a working man/womans right to stand up for what they think is right.

It is no point going on strike when a company is not busy you have to make maximum impact that is just common sense.

There is always the risk that customers will go somewhere else and never come back, but if you dont stick up for what you believe you will be walked over.

Even if you dont get the outcome you want at least you know you tried.

I cannot understand people who moan about things but never get off their chairs and do something about it.
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I agree, the right to withdraw labour is a fundamental one, however to do it when the business is in position where it could end up failing is suicidal, look at the motor industry - the one that we no longer have, almost entirely due to strikes.
 
Flash In The Pan said:
I agree, the right to withdraw labour is a fundamental one, however to do it when the business is in position where it could end up failing is suicidal, look at the motor industry - the one that we no longer have, almost entirely due to strikes.
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I understand what you are saying its like a ''catch 22'' situation.


We dont strike enough in this country the unions are no longer strong enough im afraid....but I can always dream we will be strong again.....:thumbs:
 
Flash In The Pan said:
I agree, the right to withdraw labour is a fundamental one, however to do it when the business is in position where it could end up failing is suicidal, look at the motor industry - the one that we no longer have, almost entirely due to strikes.
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I can see your point, but it strikes me as this is very much last resort, and from yesterday's papers an unusually high % of workers voted for it.


BA has not been great at industrial relations this year - tell staff to work a month unpaid for example...........or negotiating very publicly.

Hugh
 
jolsterj said:
I understand what you are saying its like a ''catch 22'' situation.


We dont strike enough in this country the unions are no longer strong enough im afraid....but I can always dream we will be strong again.....:thumbs:
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This is straying dangerously into the area of polly-ticks, but back in the days of the last Labour government, British Leyland had at least one strike every day of the year somewhere in their production facilities and look what good that did the workers there...
 
We are supposed to by flying with them on the 26th.
I understand their reasons for strike action but to do it over xmas is wrong in my opinion.
They know that this time of the year will be a major headache for BA and a lot of people will be going away for xmas.
We use BA most of the time and we find their customers services is top notch.
I've spoken to quite a few BA employees over the last 12 months and I do sympathise with them.
We are lucky that our travel agent can hold seats with another airline on a rolling daily basis up until the day before we fly.
If BA cancel our outbound flight then we can get a full refund.
The catch 22 is that if the flight goes ahead with BA, if we are delayed we might miss our connection flight.
 
Flash In The Pan said:
I agree, the right to withdraw labour is a fundamental one, however to do it when the business is in position where it could end up failing is suicidal, look at the motor industry - the one that we no longer have, almost entirely due to strikes.
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jolsterj said:
I understand what you are saying its like a ''catch 22'' situation.
We dont strike enough in this country the unions are no longer strong enough im afraid....but I can always dream we will be strong again.....:thumbs:
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As someone who has worked for 30 yrs in what is left of the motor industry, I can say that I have lost more money due to strikes than I have made by the extra few percent that the strike gained. I would much rather cross picket lines. It is suprising how many people work for companies and want to fight them every inch of the way over everything and anything. We have been asked to work over Christmas, not Christmas Day, Boxing Day or New Years Day, but the remaining days which we normally have as a week's holiday. It is voluntary and our holidays are to be taken before end of March. Yet some of my supposed "workmates" want to cause as much disruption over this as possible. They are lazy, do nothing and don't deserve to have jobs in my opinion. If they were prepared to actually do the work they were employed to do, we wouldn't be asked to work over Christmas and make sure we finish the current work load programme and ensure we secure further programmes. Sadly they are too stupid to see this and there is enough of them to disrupt things for others prepared to work for a living. Unsuprisingly these people have volunteered to work the 3 weekend days which will pay overtime rates and you can bet they won't be doing much. Last Sunday one of these men spent the majority of an 8 hour shift watching porn on his laptop in our locker room, another bloke spends most of his shifts playing games on his phone or reading a book.
It's very frustrating because the rest of us end up having to do the work for them and they can't see that their actions will ensure our redundancies and there are no jobs out there in our field of work, especially as easy as we get it anyway, but they are too stupid to see that.
 
jolsterj said:
We dont strike enough in this country the unions are no longer strong enough im afraid....but I can always dream we will be strong again.....:thumbs:
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I can't wait for the powercuts, piles of rubbish in the streets, the hospitals being closed etc etc , bring it on :thumbs:
 
no good ever came of a strike in a recession and for the love of me I can't remember who said it ffs
 
I think everyone has the right to withdraw their labour and when appropriate I have no problem with supporting it. The problem here though is that taking into account the state of aviation in general, not to mention the economy as a whole, it just seems a rather suicidal course of action.

Simon
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Nope, just another group of workers that think the best way to safeguard their jobs is to drive their employers to the verge of bankruptcy - it's a British tradition....
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I think that is your most sensible post ever Graham and one that I agree with completely.

Bunch of muppets.
 
I find it shocking that in the current climate people want to strike. The airline is in a shocking state and at the moment there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel.

"Airlines will suffer bigger than expected losses of $5.6 billion (£3.5 billion) next year, it emerged today" Times Online

Theres a very real possibility of British Airways going bust then where will they be?
 
fracster said:
Like we were in the past, piled up bodies, rubbish and no electricity, yeah,good old days weren`t they?


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There's a huge difference between a strong union and a union led by militants. Do away with unions by all means and see how your standard of living drops through the floor along with your wages and what free time you currently have.
 
DC2Z said:
I find it shocking that in the current climate people want to strike. The airline is in a shocking state and at the moment there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel.
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Yeah but the 350 million in fines for price fixing is responsible for most of that and it's not fair that the staff should be made to take pay cuts to pay them.
 
DC2Z said:
I find it shocking that in the current climate people want to strike. The airline is in a shocking state and at the moment there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel.

"Airlines will suffer bigger than expected losses of $5.6 billion (£3.5 billion) next year, it emerged today" Times Online

Theres a very real possibility of British Airways going bust then where will they be?
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BA are in a shocking state - but thats down to poor management. I donm't normally agree with striking, but it looks to me as though BA have left their workforce very little choice and still prefer confrontation over negotiation

Hugh
 
Steep said:
There's a huge difference between a strong union and a union led by militants. Do away with unions by all means and see how your standard of living drops through the floor along with your wages and what free time you currently have.
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nowt wrong with unions looking out for their members, but its a really bad time to strike as the economy is poor and jobs are few, think of the 1926 general strike that killed the TUC and achieved none of its aims :(
 
i dont agree with strikes. the postal strikes were a massive kick in the nuts for the customers, and some of that is still being felt now. (calendars? not yet, ive had to send the disk out to the printer again today via RMSD cos it never arrived the first time) Militant unions have killed off the car industry and will be the death of the PO and BA. BA did get done for price fixing, but they need to ensure the money is coming in to pay the high wages...
 
As an ex BA Engineer (redundant May 09)
The cabin staff do a great job but some of them earn close to double the amount that I did, now as far as I'm concerned that is so wrong. They have had it easy for far to long, ask the Chorus steelworkers if they would be willing to sacrifice some jobs to save others and I'm sure they would. Personally I think they are intent on bringing the airline to it's knees and if they think they will get public sympathy they are going to be dissapointed.
If it was me I'd sack the lot of them and hire new.
 
It is not the cabin crews fault that the pay structure is set as it is.
 
If you are not happy with pay/conditions/terms then leave that employ and go somewhere where you will be happy.
 
jolsterj said:
It is not the cabin crews fault that the pay structure is set as it is.
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It is partly you know, they pay the unions, the unions negotiate/threaten, the airline agrees. It's a mix of over militant union and weak management.
 
The union did not seem to be doing a bad job either seeing that BA cabin crew were on 1/3 more cash than other airlines.
 
they dont get put up in a travelinn when they go to other countries either...
 
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