BA (Hons) Commercial Photography

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This is quite possibly in the wrong section on the forum, but after looking through them all I figured it was either this or general discussion, however it's photography based, so I'm sure it's fine here.

I'm curious to know how many of you have done the above university degree, as I'm contemplating doing it myself.

I have no qualifications myself (In anything, including GCSE's) However the university I'm looking at (local) say that they will consider unqualified people. "All such non-traditional applicants will be interviewed, set an appropriate piece of work and a judgement made taking into account their academic potential and relevant experience."

I'm hoping this is going to be a good step forward for myself, and with not being in education since i was 14 (10 years ago) I'm very nervous about even applying.

If there is anyone around here who has done the degree, just a small paragraph on how you found the course and workload, what experience you had before going for it, and what you gained after completing the degree would really help.

Thanks in advance :)
 
What college or Uni is it?

I know of one other Uni that runs a specific "commercial" BA, and they are far more technical in nature than a normal BA (Hons) degree. If that sounds like something you want to get into, then maybe it's worth going along for a look. Go and talk to students.. see what they think of the course. Is there any student work on the website?


It's a degree though... it's academic in nature as much as anything else. There will be at least one essay per year for 2 years, and a 8000 word dissertation. You cool with that?


Many on here would have done a degree in one subject or another. Whether someone has done the exact course listed above will be tricky, because you don't mention what course it is. Not all degrees are the same like BTEC curses are... the Uni actually write it... so one BA (Hons) Commercial Photography can be utterly different from another.

I've taught on many degree courses, and written many degree courses, and currently still teach on one. I know of most degree courses in the UK, and chances are know who runs it... or know someone who will know :) What Uni or college are we talking about here?


I'll just say this though. Having a degree will be of no use whatsoever in getting you "work". How much do you know about the photographic industry? Not sure if you realise this, but there aren't really any "jobs" in the conventional sense. You find your own work, and what really matters is your portfolio.

Not once in my photographic career has anyone wanted to see any my degrees in all the years I've had them. This is why there will be people along shortly who will say that's why they're pointless. They have a point, but what you do get is the education and the facilities, and environment of creativity. That's priceless.

I can advise further if I know the College or Uni. Go along and see the facilities if it's local. I would expect at least 3 working studios, equipment from low end SLRs to high end medium format digital (Phase One or Leaf/Mamyia) adequate studio lighting... bespoke digital darkroom with high end Macs or PCs. If not.. walk away. A commercial photography course needs to familiarise you with high end commercial gear as much as anything else... otherwise why specialise as a commercial course?
 
After going through the process myself have to agree with the above.

For my BA it was rather lacklustre in some modules, and practically end up researching everything myself anyway,
which i could have done from home (which i did) and not spend money on the degree.
All it did do was push me in the right direction, start of with the right introductory questions, and dispel all the newbish questions we all have with subjects.

So if your looking for that kind of help, possibly go for it, but forums like this may help too.
Also if need help in focusing, the experience would push you.
The other reason I would do it again would be if required the certificate/honor, but I dont know of many times ive found it that practical. Many jobs finding ask for a degree?
So if its just about the learning of photography, pretty focused, and dont need the degree as such, maybe just focus on own research, break it down, and set goals/objectives and work for yourself. :)
 
What college or Uni is it?

I know of one other Uni that runs a specific "commercial" BA, and they are far more technical in nature than a normal BA (Hons) degree. If that sounds like something you want to get into, then maybe it's worth going along for a look. Go and talk to students.. see what they think of the course. Is there any student work on the website?


It's a degree though... it's academic in nature as much as anything else. There will be at least one essay per year for 2 years, and a 8000 word dissertation. You cool with that?


Many on here would have done a degree in one subject or another. Whether someone has done the exact course listed above will be tricky, because you don't mention what course it is. Not all degrees are the same like BTEC curses are... the Uni actually write it... so one BA (Hons) Commercial Photography can be utterly different from another.

I've taught on many degree courses, and written many degree courses, and currently still teach on one. I know of most degree courses in the UK, and chances are know who runs it... or know someone who will know :) What Uni or college are we talking about here?


I'll just say this though. Having a degree will be of no use whatsoever in getting you "work". How much do you know about the photographic industry? Not sure if you realise this, but there aren't really any "jobs" in the conventional sense. You find your own work, and what really matters is your portfolio.

Not once in my photographic career has anyone wanted to see any my degrees in all the years I've had them. This is why there will be people along shortly who will say that's why they're pointless. They have a point, but what you do get is the education and the facilities, and environment of creativity. That's priceless.

I can advise further if I know the College or Uni. Go along and see the facilities if it's local. I would expect at least 3 working studios, equipment from low end SLRs to high end medium format digital (Phase One or Leaf/Mamyia) adequate studio lighting... bespoke digital darkroom with high end Macs or PCs. If not.. walk away. A commercial photography course needs to familiarise you with high end commercial gear as much as anything else... otherwise why specialise as a commercial course?


Thank you for your reply, I had no idea they were all different (I don't know much about all this faff!) This is the link to the specific uni and course. http://www.grimsby.ac.uk/highereducation/courseinformation.php?id=186000216242525

It says the awarding body is Teeside University.

Basically my options are very slim right now, I never really expected to get a job through doing this course, as I know most photography jobs are self employed.
I will also be doing maths and english (Since I never did my GCSE's due to being hospitalised for a large portion of my teenage years) which is fairly important to me.

I'm a bright person, I think I would be able to manage the workload (But who knows? I've not been in education since year 9 at school!)

What am I aiming to get from doing this degree?

I want to gain more knowledge in photography in general, Gain skills I currently don't have - and have access to equipment I don't have.

I think JJDimond has pretty much hit it right on the head.

All it did do was push me in the right direction, start of with the right introductory questions, and dispel all the newbish questions we all have with subjects.

So if your looking for that kind of help, possibly go for it, but forums like this may help too.
Also if need help in focusing, the experience would push you.

My biggest qualms would be - Would I be accepted?

I don't mind too much about the cost of the degree, for once in my life I won't just be working in a dead end job, I'll actually be doing something with my life.

To some people going to uni isn't really a big deal or classed as doing something with your life, but I was unable to walk from the age of 14-21, I missed a huge portion of my life. Uni could quite possibly be a good thing for me. Who knows.
 
I don't know Grimsby.. wasn't even aware they did a degree, so can't help you there. I'll ask amongst my colleagues, see if they know anything about the course.

Being a BA in Commercial photography, it will be more technical than most other degrees, but having said that, degrees are not training courses. If you imagine you;ll be in studios al day doing technical stuff, think again. Degrees are academic. You'll spend a great deal of time in lectures, and a great deal of time in crit. That's what degrees are... academic. They are not designed for beginners. They're designed for fairly advanced students who have done foundation courses and already have a fair degree of experience. They are not training courses however. There will be an expectation that you are shown something, and you then take it upon yourself to develop that skill. IF you are passive, and just sit in lectures and do no work, you'll not cope with it.

The emphasis will be on skill acquisition in year one, possibly year 2... but as with photography itself, the emphasis will be on business skills and self development. This is one of the things mature students often dislike about degrees: They expected training, and got an education instead.

Would you be accepted? No idea... that will be down to you and your portfolio. If it's good, and you give a good account of yourself in interview, I don't see why not. If you're genuinely passionate about photography, quite a lot of mature students are accepted as they usually take this a whole lot more seriously than the average 18 year old. I certainly wouldn't be worried. Also, entry requirements are more relaxed these days. I'm not saying Unis will take anyone, but they certainly can't pick and choose any more.

Yes... all degree courses are different. They'll have a broad basic outline that matches QAA benchmark guidelines, but other than that, the degree is written by the staff at Grimsby, then validated by Teeside. Their degree will be very different from ours, or anyone else's. Go along, meet the staff, speak to students, look at the facilities. Decide if you want to spend 3 years there.

Most of the technical stuff you'll learn is available free, online. JJDiamond is correct. What you'll not get is the support in understanding it, and the facilities to practice it. What you'll also not get is being part of a creative community with one common purpose. Never underestimate what a powerful thing that is. Do it alone, and you're doing just that... doing it alone.

Ask if they have a visiting lecturer programme. This is crucial, as you need practitioners from outside the Uni to come in and see your work, and talk about industry. If they don't have a VL programme, they may well be worth a miss. For instance, recently we've had Dean Chalkley, Tim Flach, Dominic Rouse, and just last week Sir Peter Bazalgette, chair of the Arts Council, and probably the most influential person in TV today in to talk about entrepreneurship and funding for creative arts graduates. Events like this create networking opportunities, and give great insight into industry that no amount of YouTube can provide. If Grimsby don't have stuff like that, ask them why not. Any decent degree should have a budget for VLs. Times are tight, and many places... ours included, are cutting back to the bone, but that shouldn't be an area that's cut back.

As I said before.. a commercial degree should have high end medium format digital gear, as high end commercial photography uses it. It should include a great deal of lighting education and include things such as set building if it is genuinely a commercial course. It should also cover large format cameras, as these are used extensively in commercial product and architectural photography. They should have a well equipped library. They should have dedicated digital darkrooms with calibrated gear, not just a bank of Macs in a brightly lit classroom.... , and high end printing output too. You need to ask them this. Don't be too passive because you feel you are not degree material due to being out of education for a while. Don't be feeling grateful if they offer you a place and blindly accept. It's a 2 way thing... they have to be right for you, as well as you being right for them.

I want to gain more knowledge in photography in general, Gain skills I currently don't have - and have access to equipment I don't have.


Just be careful you aren't going into this expecting photographic training... as that's what you will not get. This is higher education, not vocational training. Lots of reading and research. You'll not be judged on just your images... you'll be judged on the research and rationale of your images. Turn in a set of superb images for an assignment with no research or rationale, and you'll still probably fail, or get a low grade. Think about it - if you take a maths exam, you'll need to show your working out to prove you never used a calculator, right? Well, this is the way you show your "working out" on a degree photography course. Anyone can take sharp and technically good images. It takes a few months to get someone up to speed with that. At degree level you need to have those images actually do a job... sell a product, tell a story, illustrate the intent of a fashion designer... whatever area of photography interests you, your images will be critiqued to a level you'll simply not get in here, and they'll be looking for a whole lot more than sharpness, exposure, and composition. So it wouldn't surprise me if there are lectures on wide ranging subjects that will educate you on what you should be shooting as well as how you should be shooting it. Photography will probably account for around half the course content. The rest will support your ability to be a critical thinking practitioner.
 
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Degrees in general are all about being 'signposted' to search in a particular area or direction. You will get the map coordinates and a compass on how to get there but the journey there and what you will learn and record will be down to you. There are 360 cardinal points on a compass and lots of directions to choose.

One is reminded of Lewis Carroll quote in Alice in Wonderland "Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?" "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to."
"I don't much care where –"
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go.

Broadening your knowledge is a good thing. There are plenty of good courses out there and Pooky has already given done very good advice and he's an academic.

Good luck with your journey and your adventures, you will emerge at the other end a better person for it.
 
Thanks a lot guys, I've decided to go and have a look around and speak to the lecturers about the course and to go from there.

Fingers crossed this may give me something to do with myself and I just might not feel as much a failure as I currently do. Very hopeful this works out.
 
If you want me to review your portfolio before you go, just drop me a line.
 
Thanks a lot guys, I've decided to go and have a look around and speak to the lecturers about the course and to go from there.

Fingers crossed this may give me something to do with myself and I just might not feel as much a failure as I currently do. Very hopeful this works out.


Go for it.... mature unqualified students like yourself who are motivated, can Do very well in that environment
Grinsby Like Bradford are basically Further Education Colleges that have expanded into Higher education.

One of my staff who had no school achievements, like you, went on and obtained a 1st class degree in business and finance at Bradford College. At the out set his english and writing skills were abysmal... however they ran a excellent open maths and english workshop for such students, and coached him in academic writing.

To do well you must be prepared to apply yourself in a Total way. With the attitude of, I can do it and I will do it. always do more and work harder than they ask you. A lot of your fellow students are just there for the ride, and will only work just hard enough not to be thrown out. ( and some will be).

Most of this is attitude of mind. most of us can do whatever we set our minds to. I expect you regret your lost opportunities through health problems at school, you can use those feelings as a spur to push yourself to success this time round.

Fe/He colleges like Grimsby have great success helping second chancers like your self, where some more traditional universities struggle.

Reading through their blerb... It seems to be a remarkably practical degree, but will still require a great deal of personal study and hard graft. Tutor time will be limited (it is everywhere) A lecture is just the starting point for your own research. You work for a degree by learning and studying your self, you will not be spoon fed answers like at school. Most adults find this "normal" and how they learn things in real life. What is different is the Academic expectations and ways of expressing yourself.
Grimsby may well suggest some sort of introductory course to get you into the flow. This will be additional time, but take it, as it will help you no end.

Eighteen months ago my daughter obtained a 2nd class art degree (in her mid 40's) from Huddersfield so it is never too late.
 
If you want me to review your portfolio before you go, just drop me a line.
Thank you very much Pookey, that would be great.


Go for it.... mature unqualified students like yourself who are motivated, can Do very well in that environment
Grinsby Like Bradford are basically Further Education Colleges that have expanded into Higher education.

One of my staff who had no school achievements, like you, went on and obtained a 1st class degree in business and finance at Bradford College. At the out set his english and writing skills were abysmal... however they ran a excellent open maths and english workshop for such students, and coached him in academic writing.

To do well you must be prepared to apply yourself in a Total way. With the attitude of, I can do it and I will do it. always do more and work harder than they ask you. A lot of your fellow students are just there for the ride, and will only work just hard enough not to be thrown out. ( and some will be).

Most of this is attitude of mind. most of us can do whatever we set our minds to. I expect you regret your lost opportunities through health problems at school, you can use those feelings as a spur to push yourself to success this time round.

Fe/He colleges like Grimsby have great success helping second chancers like your self, where some more traditional universities struggle.

Reading through their blerb... It seems to be a remarkably practical degree, but will still require a great deal of personal study and hard graft. Tutor time will be limited (it is everywhere) A lecture is just the starting point for your own research. You work for a degree by learning and studying your self, you will not be spoon fed answers like at school. Most adults find this "normal" and how they learn things in real life. What is different is the Academic expectations and ways of expressing yourself.
Grimsby may well suggest some sort of introductory course to get you into the flow. This will be additional time, but take it, as it will help you no end.

Eighteen months ago my daughter obtained a 2nd class art degree (in her mid 40's) from Huddersfield so it is never too late.

This is very informative, your colleague sounds like he was once in a similar situation to me, so that's quite reassuring.

When i set myself on something, I put all of my effort into it. I'm hoping this will show if i actually get onto the course. If I'm offered any courses from Grimsby at all, i will take them. As you say, "I expect you regret your lost opportunities" you're very right, and I want to do what i can to better myself now that I can.

Thank you very much for your post, it's put a smile on my face today.
 
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