Auto focus - can you explain this.

I promise to have a proper read when I get home.

However, a quick google and I found quotes like "Adjust your lens for the normal distance you use it". This implies that by adjusting a lens for one distance may impace the sharpness at other distances. Is this the case :suspect:

Unfortunately that may be the case. If so, and you can't find an adjustment value that gives you good enough results at all focal lengths and focus distances, you will need to send the lens (and for thoroughness perhaps the body too) for full AF calibration by the manufacturer.

Recommendations for calibration distance vary, but there are two main schools of thought....

1. Calibrate at a subject distabce not less than 50X focal length;
2. Calibrate at the distance and in the environment (temperature, lighting) for which you most use the lens.

50X is a good compromise to cover all the bases overall, but if you are going to use the lens up close, such as tight headshots or eyeball shots then the calibration at 50x focal length may be off. Unfortunately with zoom lenses you can also find that an adjustment for 200mm focal length may not be perfect for 70mm and so on. Either find a happy compromise or send it in for a proper adjustment.
 
So the camera has settings for all lenses that it uses as defaults? Does it record the settings for specific lenses?
 
Unfortunately that may be the case. If so, and you can't find an adjustment value that gives you good enough results at all focal lengths and focus distances, you will need to send the lens (and for thoroughness perhaps the body too) for full AF calibration by the manufacturer.

Recommendations for calibration distance vary, but there are two main schools of thought....

1. Calibrate at a subject distabce not less than 50X focal length;
2. Calibrate at the distance and in the environment (temperature, lighting) for which you most use the lens.

50X is a good compromise to cover all the bases overall, but if you are going to use the lens up close, such as tight headshots or eyeball shots then the calibration at 50x focal length may be off. Unfortunately with zoom lenses you can also find that an adjustment for 200mm focal length may not be perfect for 70mm and so on. Either find a happy compromise or send it in for a proper adjustment.

So, I'm starting to get a bit peed off with this.

How common is this? Am I unlucky, or is the case that other's may not even notice?

Also, as my results seem to suggest that my 5D is not calibrated correctly (via the Canon 50mm and Sigma 70-200 lens tests), would it be better for me to just take it back to the shop (Jessops) and kick up a fuss?
 
So the camera has settings for all lenses that it uses as defaults? Does it record the settings for specific lenses?

It has a feature to 'body adjust' which affects all lenses or can 'lens adjust' upto 20 seperate lenses (which it remembers the settings for).
 
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So the camera has settings for all lenses that it uses as defaults? Does it record the settings for specific lenses?

The camera can retain 20 individual adjustment values for different lens models. However, if you have three lenses of the same model - e.g. a 50/1.8 - then the camera can only remember one setting for a "50/1.8" lens.
 
Thanks, that sets my mind at rest, as I think i may need to adjust my 100mm Macro
 
So, I'm starting to get a bit peed off with this.

How common is this? Am I unlucky, or is the case that other's may not even notice?

Also, as my results seem to suggest that my 5D is not calibrated correctly (via the Canon 50mm and Sigma 70-200 lens tests), would it be better for me to just take it back to the shop (Jessops) and kick up a fuss?

I thought the 50mm was sharp, just the sigma that wasn't? I'd try the microadjust route. I'd imaging you'll just need one or maybe two clicks only, no more than that.
 
So, I'm starting to get a bit peed off with this.

How common is this? Am I unlucky, or is the case that other's may not even notice?

Also, as my results seem to suggest that my 5D is not calibrated correctly (via the Canon 50mm and Sigma 70-200 lens tests), would it be better for me to just take it back to the shop (Jessops) and kick up a fuss?

Read the Lensrentals article. Then decide what action is sensible to take.

I recommend you try AF microadjustment and only get concerned if you can't achieve satisfactory results with that approach. When you have a problem with Canon glass and body then it's easy enough to send it all to Canon and get them to sort it. Once you start mixing third party glass into the equation things become a little less simple. I don't have any off brand lenses so I don't know the best procedure there. FWIW I have had six Canon bodies (I still have five) of which four have an AF microadjustment feature. I also have, or have had, around ten Canon lenses. Most combinations have benefitted from a degree of AF microadjustement. None have had to go back to Canon.
 
Read the Lensrentals article. Then decide what action is sensible to take.

I recommend you try AF microadjustment and only get concerned if you can't achieve satisfactory results with that approach. When you have a problem with Canon glass and body then it's easy enough to send it all to Canon and get them to sort it. Once you start mixing third party glass into the equation things become a little less simple. I don't have any off brand lenses so I don't know the best procedure there. FWIW I have had six Canon bodies (I still have five) of which four have an AF microadjustment feature. I also have, or have had, around ten Canon lenses. Most combinations have benefitted from a degree of AF microadjustement. None have had to go back to Canon.

Tim, thanks so much for the input. Really appreciated.

I guess I've just got my grumpy head on! :)
 
Good advice from Tim, as ever :)

From your test pics, it does look like there's evidence that a microfocus adjust might be in order on the 5D2, but it's hard to be conclusive. No disrespect but these kind of things are tricky and the equipment errors generally so slight (on non existant) but the errors introduced by the test procedure itself can be quite high, leading to frustration.

For example, it is not at all uncommon for camera service departments to receive a camera for recalibration, find nothing wrong, and send it back with an invoice for your trouble.
 
Good advice from Tim, as ever :)

From your test pics, it does look like there's evidence that a microfocus adjust might be in order on the 5D2, but it's hard to be conclusive. No disrespect but these kind of things are tricky and the equipment errors generally so slight (on non existant) but the errors introduced by the test procedure itself can be quite high, leading to frustration.

For example, it is not at all uncommon for camera service departments to receive a camera for recalibration, find nothing wrong, and send it back with an invoice for your trouble.

Well intially I was feeling a bit ARGGHHHHHHH! :)

This weekend I've not got a load on - apart from checking out a wedding venue. So, think I'll run the 5D tethered and play.

I'm at work at the mo, so I've not read suggested articles in depth, but is it not sufficient to use the same focus charts that I've used so far, and just adjust the settings?
 
Well intially I was feeling a bit ARGGHHHHHHH! :)

This weekend I've not got a load on - apart from checking out a wedding venue. So, think I'll run the 5D tethered and play.

I'm at work at the mo, so I've not read suggested articles in depth, but is it not sufficient to use the same focus charts that I've used so far, and just adjust the settings?

I don't like those test charts generally because they are used so close. That takes a normal lens way outside its normal operating distance where it's most likely to show an error that is just not there at normal range. Secondly, because the depth of field is so shallow they are hard to use for a lot of people and show more user error than equipment error, and thirdly because the DoF is so shallow they exagerate problems that are normally invisible in practise.

The danger is that if the AF is out for macro (and it could be the camera, the lens, or both) and you correct it with microAF, you might mess it up for normal stuff. And bearing in mind my earlier comment about manual focusing being better for macro anyway, this doesn't seem like such a great idea ;)

Having said that, the kind of error seen in yout first eye pics (an assuming that this is indeed the equipment and not simply camera/subject movement) then that looks an unacceptably long way out.

If you want to know exactly what and where the problem is before you jump up and down at Canon or Jessops, you need to do some careful testing first with different camera and lens combinations, at different distances and focal lengths. That's a lot of work and just thinking about it for a moment, I think if I were you I would call Jessops and see if they have another 5D2 that you could try side by side with your camera and lenses in the shop. It would be very easy to set something up with flash and might pinpoint the problem immediately.
 
I don't like those test charts generally because they are used so close. That takes a normal lens way outside its normal operating distance where it's most likely to show an error that is just not there at normal range. Secondly, because the depth of field is so shallow they are hard to use for a lot of people and show more user error than equipment error, and thirdly because the DoF is so shallow they exagerate problems that are normally invisible in practise.

The danger is that if the AF is out for macro (and it could be the camera, the lens, or both) and you correct it with microAF, you might mess it up for normal stuff. And bearing in mind my earlier comment about manual focusing being better for macro anyway, this doesn't seem like such a great idea ;)

Having said that, the kind of error seen in yout first eye pics (an assuming that this is indeed the equipment and not simply camera/subject movement) then that looks an unacceptably long way out.

If you want to know exactly what and where the problem is before you jump up and down at Canon or Jessops, you need to do some careful testing first with different camera and lens combinations, at different distances and focal lengths. That's a lot of work and just thinking about it for a moment, I think if I were you I would call Jessops and see if they have another 5D2 that you could try side by side with your camera and lenses in the shop. It would be very easy to set something up with flash and might pinpoint the problem immediately.

Some good points there - especially the spare from Jessops. Thank you.

The tests I have conducted to far are a long way from macro. For example, the 70-200 shots were taken at 200mm.

My main portrait lens is a 24-70 2.8. It's this lens I am going to concentrate on at the weekend. I'll run back to back tests against my other bodies and see what the outcome is. From there I'll try some adjustments. If they don't work then I'll pay a visit to Jessops and 'hope' the assistant doesn't think I am talking poooo. :lol:
 
Did you try live view as I suggest on the last page? This should give you a strong indication if it's your AF that's off, OR the lens. IMO this is the first thing that needs to be decided.

If it's the lens, the lens needs to go back.
If it's the body, then get the body checked.
 
Some good points there - especially the spare from Jessops. Thank you.

The tests I have conducted to far are a long way from macro. For example, the 70-200 shots were taken at 200mm.

My main portrait lens is a 24-70 2.8. It's this lens I am going to concentrate on at the weekend. I'll run back to back tests against my other bodies and see what the outcome is. From there I'll try some adjustments. If they don't work then I'll pay a visit to Jessops and 'hope' the assistant doesn't think I am talking poooo. :lol:

That sounds like a plan. 5D2 and a 24-70L should work perfectly together, and is presumably your workshorse combo. Check that out and use it as your standard.

On the macro thing, what I mean is very close-up. Basically at the extreme end of the focsuing range when shooting that test chart. It's just that if there is an error, that's quite often where it shows up most, then you correct for that, and end up with an error at normal shooting range.
 
It can't be the body as in the other thread the 50mm shot was sharp.

As I said, the offer is on to try some other lenses if you need.
 
It can't be the body as in the other thread the 50mm shot was sharp.

As I said, the offer is on to try some other lenses if you need.

I see where you are coming from, but the previous shot where the 50 looked sharp(ish) was not conducted using a tripod etc. Looking at the latest set of results, the 5D's performance using the 50 is not as good as the 400ds. See above.
 
I see where you are coming from, but the previous shot where the 50 looked sharp(ish) was not conducted using a tripod etc. Looking at the latest set of results, the 5D's performance using the 50 is not as good as the 400ds. See above.

Post 36? The 400D and 5D shots with the 50 are at different angles/positions and hence why the 5D shot looks completely out of focus. Was this the best of a range of shots, or just one shot?

The 70-200 just looks like it's front focussing and needs about 1-2 clicks of microfocus.
 
Post 36? The 400D and 5D shots with the 50 are at different angles/positions and hence why the 5D shot looks completely out of focus. Was this the best of a range of shots, or just one shot?

The 70-200 just looks like it's front focussing and needs about 1-2 clicks of microfocus.

There were a range of shots and not just one. You may be right - I'm holding off any definitives until the weekend.

Just as a general note, I'd like to that ALL that have contributed to this thread. It really is appreciated! :thumbs:
 
There were a range of shots and not just one. You may be right - I'm holding off any definitives until the weekend.

Just as a general note, I'd like to that ALL that have contributed to this thread. It really is appreciated! :thumbs:

Haha it's getting confused already! Hand-holding is just not good enough when you're looking for accurate AF within a couple of mm. No way.

But assuming there are no human errors in the test chart images you posted, on that evidence alone it looks like the 5D2 is front focusing. But then that could be the crude focusing mech of the 50 1.8, or maybe the Sigma's error.

5D2 and 24-70L is what I'd want to be right, test and adjust if necessary at about 2-3m range, and then use that as the reference standard.
 
The paper you have used has a very well defined texture. If the camera can focus on the paper, quite distant from the black focus line, or any other printed areas, your test is void. It would be better to use a contrasty target exactly parallel to the sensor and to have an angled scale - a ruler would be perfect - outside the focus area, from which you can judge the actual plane of focus achieved.

Here is an example of the sort of test setup I use (100% crop)....

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Here's the whole rig....

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For longer lenses I will shoot outdoors to get sufficient distance from camera to focus target.

Remember as well that the physical focus area for each AF point is larger than the zone indicated by the squares in the viewfinder and it is possible for the camera to grab focus on something you do not expect. The best thing to do is to remove all doubt about where the camera is to focus, as my test rig does.

BTW, your 70-200 shots are not showing and I would not even bother to draw conclusions from the AF of the nifty fifty. The AF is too inconsistent to make any judgement from individual shots. You need to make repeat shots to establish a pattern of focus behaviour. Since we aren't privy to your repeat attempts to establish a reasonable statistical sample size it is not right to comment.

If you are not familiar with Chuck Westfall's tips for the AF calibration procedure to follow I suggest you take a look....

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0812/tech-tips.html (scroll down a bit)
 
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Having spent what seemed an eternity trying to calibrate my lenses using lots of methods found on the net, printing charts using 50x distance focal lengths, using the long end of my lens shooting wide open, shooting on the short end of my lens using test patterns on my pc and becoming more and more peed off with each method I tried as I couldn't repeat the process and get consistent results and allowed me to consistently repeat and get the same results, I finally used a method that worked and let me calibrate my lenses in a relatively short time.

Stick a bank note to a wall, I used a 20 pound note there is some super fine detail on bank notes I used the Queen's lips as when you MA perfectly you can see the lines on her lips, set your camera up on a tripod, tether it, half depress focus button ensure camera is in One shot mode, after locking focus lock run Canon EOS, run camera setting/remote, live shooting, click magnifying icon, click 200% view and check focus, click the <> to fine tune, each click of < or the > corresponds to +/- 1 of MA, so count your clicks when you get perfect focus come out of live view, enter the MA number, defocus your lens manually and repeat to test the new adjustment, I used this method for all my lenses and all are now perfect. Apparently on newer cameras than my 1dMIII you can hit the AF On button on the EOS Utility once in Live view and it will do the autofocus, alas on my 1dIII I have to do this manually

I hope this is clear if not post your Q's and I will try and answer, apologies if I missed anything I am away on holiday at the moment so doing the above all from memory.
 
I hope this is clear if not post your Q's and I will try and answer, apologies if I missed anything I am away on holiday at the moment so doing the above all from memory.

Perfectly clear. That's the procedure I linked to way back in post #35. :)

It is one of several published methods, and I'm sure it works very well. Certainly anything that insists on focusing on a high contrast, well lit target that is parallel to the sensor is going to be ahead of the game in terms of reducing the room for error. I know the arguments for using a thin black line on an angled sheet of paper, but why leave any room for doubt when you can remove it completely?

Personally I like the additional reassurance of the angled scale too. Sometimes it can be a little tough to decide just which adjustment is the absolute sharpest, but if you can see where the DOF falls and where the peak of sharpness lies within it then I think that is helpful in narrowing down the optimum sharp point.
 
Right, 70-200 links fixed.

Can we have some analysis on the images please?
 
Apologies Tim, I didn't click through your link :(
 
Apologies Tim, I didn't click through your link :(

No problem. I was simply pointing out that the full gory detail was available, and you would not have to rack your brain while you are supposed to be enjoying your holiday. :)
 
I will try some of the other methods suggested, but let me summarise.

All three lenses (2 Sigma and 1 Canon) show front focusing problems.

The Nifty can be adjusted and requires half of the adjustment range on the body.

The Sigmas need more adjustment than is available on the body.

Am I looking at a problem with the body? Thoughts please.

Btw, before focusing on the black band I made sure that the camera could not focus on any other part of the paper.
 
It looks like your 5D is front focusing at that distance. Is that what you wanted to hear? LOL

Bearing in mind Tim's very valid comments, and providing the samples you have posted are representative of consistent repeat testing (any inconsitency would rule them invalid in my view).

If the camera does indeed have an error across the board, then this error will repeat itself at longer focusing distances too. And you also have another camera to use as a control.

You must do those distance tests. And just to repeat myself again, if you correct for close range without checking more normal shooting distances, you could end up in a pickle.

However, three lenses showing a similar pattern is certainly evidence that something is amiss. But you need to nail it down absolutely.

I use a similar method to Tim for distance AF checking. Flat target with an angled component immediately to one side of the central AF point. One advantage of testing at greater distance is that the set up is less critical in terms of positioning the camera - a cm or two is pretty much irrelevant over a few meters.

If you do find a confirmed error, then you should be able to sort that with an overall adjustment to bring everything generally in line, then if necessary individual tweaks for different lenses.
 
FWIW, if anything at all, the vast majority of AF adjustments I have made to my multiple combinations of body and lens have been to correct front focusing. I guess on average I've dialed in around +5, but anything up to +10 is not unheard of with my gear. I did briefly own a Sigma 10mm fisheye, but that needed at least +15 on my 50D, and even then I wasn't sure about its performance. I wasn't happy with that level of error and returned the lens.

I might add that I have read (only once, I admit) that a little front focus may be designed in on purpose. If true (and I have no idea if it is), I imagine the benefits are twofold - (1) in situations where DOF extends further behind the focused point than in front, which is most times, a little front focusing could actually give you a bit more of the scene in focus than you might otherwise get; (2) for shooting oncoming action, a little front focusing might give the camera an advantage in being focused closer to the right place when the shutter is released, and you are more likely to shoot an approaching subject, typically, than the tail end of one disappearing into the distance.

When performing these tests it is important to consider the performance expectations that are reasonable for a given lens/body/AF point combination. For a lens which is slower than f/2.8 when wide open, or any lens focused with an AF point lacking a high precision sensor, the focus accuracy is only good to somewhere within the depth of field. That depth of field is the DOF when making a "normal" sized print for viewing from a "normal" viewing distance. e.g. a 10x8 print viewed from 12" away. That specification should allow you to have a sharp subject, even if only just sharp, under "normal" conditions of photography. If you are going to view output from a camera like a 5D2 at 100% then you are talking about a vast enlargement beyond 10x8. That is not "normal" photography and will reveal all sorts of problems that "normally" you would not see.

If you use a lens of f/2.8 or faster, combined with an AF point with a high precision sensor, then you should expect AF accuracy to improve to within 1/3 DOF. That's a big improvement, but one which still may not stand up to scrutiny at 100% viewing.

Now let's translate that to some real numbers, taking a 200mm f/2.8 lens as an example, focused with a high precision sensor. Canon (well, Chuck Westfall of Canon) says that AF testing should be performed at a distance not less than 50X focal length. That means testing at 10m or more, not MFD of 1.4m or so. Using DOFMaster as our calculator we get a DOF with a 5D2 and 200/2.8 lens at 10m distance of 41.6cm, extending from 20.4cm in front of the subject to 21.2cm behind. Taking 1/3 of that we basically get a DOF of +/-7cm when viewing a "normal" sized print (10x8) at a "normal" viewing distance (12").

Now, viewing at 100% is going to give you a virtual image from a 5D2 of (depending on your monitor) something around the 40" to 60" mark, or 4X-6X larger than "normal". If you want to make a judgement of whether the equipment is performing within spec then step back from the screen and view your results from 4' to 6' away, as appropriate. Does your focus target look sharp? If so the camera and lens are performing within spec. If there is something you can do with AF microadjustment to make things even better then that's a bonus, but don't be at all surprised if, in order to achieve perfection, you will have to make those adjustments. If you wanted Canon to produce kit to that level of accuracy off the production line we would all be paying dearly for the additional production costs.

The limitation with AF microadjustment is that you can only have one adjustment for any one lens, and that adjustment does have to make do for all focal lengths and focus distances. If for some reason you cannot get the results required to cover the full operational range of the lens - e.g. at 70mm it requires -6 but at 200mm it requires +12 - then that's not something you can fix. It will have to go to Canon (or Sigma or whoever) to be calibrated properly.

So, the real question is - can you make the AF performance of your body/lens good enough (not necessarily perfect, but good enough) or is it basically beyond help and needing the manufacturer to fix it? If the lens is under warranty then send it in and Canon (or Sigma etc.) will sort it for free. If you want the best hope of performance within spec then send the body in too, but don't expect perfection when the kit comes back. It should be operating within spec, maybe a little better, or even a lot better, but I don't think Canon calibrates specific bodies and lenses to each other. That would be silly, as other combinations might then not work. All they can do is to make sure each component is individually working as it should.

As for the nifty, despite the fast max aperture, its AF motor is really crude and not very accurate. Focus once and you may get a razor sharp result. Do nothing but hit the AF button once more and it may go out of focus. Repeat again and it may come back into focus, then out, etc. etc.. That is why you need to establish a pattern to the focus behaviour. A single test shot is not going to be conclusive, and you also can't guarantee that in the real world the nifty's focus will nail the shot every time. If you are doing critical shallow DOF work, such as a portrait, you may well need to take two, or three, or four, or more shots to make sure you get one in the bag. One of the reasons I moved up from the 50/1.8 to the 50/1.4 was in the hope of superior AF performance. Unfortunately the improvement is slim. Neither lens has the full blown ring USM focus motor of superior lenses. They may deliver adequate performance for "normal" viewing, but will probably leave pixel peepers permanently frustrated if the eyes aren't always razor sharp.

Pixel peeping is the curse of the manufacturers. If the pixel level noise doesn't get them it'll be the diffraction, and if not the diffraction it'll be the AF (in)accuracy, and if not the AF (in)accuracy it will be the subject blur, and if not the subject blur it will be the camera shake. For a given cost the manufacturers can do so much, but one should not forget that a lot of weight falls on the photographer's shoulders to up his/her game too, if they want to play the pixel peeping game. Once upon a time we used to be happy taking pictures. Now people seem more concerned about taking pixels, and making sure the individual pixels themselves are individually perfect. Once in a while we should stand back and see whether we have in fact got a photograph we can be proud of. The pixels are important, but not as important as the pictures, or am I wrong?
 
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Tim firstly, thank you for taking so much time to post. Your knowledge is very much appreciated.

I'm frustrated - bordering on photographically depressed. In the simple world - where I live, a 5D should knock my socks off. In my heart I know something is amis with my 5D. I have repeated the experiments and the results are the same. I've looked at a number of my studio sessions shots and I'm convinced the camera is front focusing.

With regards to distance, the 70-200 behaves the same at 70 and 200mm.

I'll do some more tests today, but before close of play I think I will be returning my camera to the shop to see what they say. I'm guessing that'll be a nightmare. I might (as previously suggested) ask to borrow a spare 5d (if possible) and compare the results.

Sorry - if I'm sounding negative, but it's akin to having a rattle in your fav car. For me, I know the rattle is there and it spoils the whole package.

Once again - thanks guys and any further input would still be appreciated.

Dav
 
Tim firstly, thank you for taking so much time to post. Your knowledge is very much appreciated.

I'm frustrated - bordering on photographically depressed. In the simple world - where I live, a 5D should knock my socks off. In my heart I know something is amis with my 5D. I have repeated the experiments and the results are the same. I've looked at a number of my studio sessions shots and I'm convinced the camera is front focusing.

With regards to distance, the 70-200 behaves the same at 70 and 200mm.

I'll do some more tests today, but before close of play I think I will be returning my camera to the shop to see what they say. I'm guessing that'll be a nightmare. I might (as previously suggested) ask to borrow a spare 5d (if possible) and compare the results.

Sorry - if I'm sounding negative, but it's akin to having a rattle in your fav car. For me, I know the rattle is there and it spoils the whole package.

Once again - thanks guys and any further input would still be appreciated.

Dav

On the funny side I'm going to bust some clays (shooting) today - so if nothing else we'll see if the 5D can fly ;)
 
On the funny side I'm going to bust some clays (shooting) today - so if nothing else we'll see if the 5D can fly ;)

I can certainly understand your frustration if the 5D is faulty. I know Canon will repair this under warranty and by all accounts they are very good. However paying so much for a camera expectations are high and you want everything to be perfect.

Hope this gets sorted out for you.
 
I've looked at a number of my studio sessions shots and I'm convinced the camera is front focusing.

OK, but in my limited experience that is not unusual. For all the reasons explained previously it ought not to be a surprise, The question is - can you fix it by tweaking AF microadjustment? If you can then problem solved. There really is no point stewing over a bit of a tweak. If you can't adjust the camera to suit your needs then by all means return something or send it in to be recalibrated. From everything said and shown so far it sounds like you could fix the problem if you chose to, but for some reason you are reluctant to. I can't fathom your logic there, but it's your choice.
 
What is there to fathom?

I've tried micro adjustment. There simply is not enough adjustment to correct the Sigma lenses ie both at +20.
 
What is there to fathom?

I've tried micro adjustment. There simply is not enough adjustment to correct the Sigma lenses ie both at +20.

In my opinion you probably need to be talking to Sigma then. What do you want Canon to do about a problem with Sigma lenses? Maybe the camera does have a problem, but I bet the Sigma lens(es) are making their own contribution to it. As I mentioned, when I bought my one and only Sigma lens it was way off calibration and needed adjustment well beyond any of my several Canon lenses - and it was a short prime, which surely should not have such obviously glaring problems making a photo look sharp.
 
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Borrowing a 7d + Canon lenses this evening. I'll do even more investigation and swapping.
 
Hopefully that will help pin things down. To be honest I don't think a nifty fifty and a couple of unproven Sigmas are the ideal test. Good luck with your investgations. Whatever the outcome I hope you get it sorted. :)
 
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