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Is there a way to use this wirelessly using HSS with my Canon 5D3?

AFAIK the Lencarta triggers don't, and they seem to be a bit pricier than similar ones but there's Cheetah in the US which makes one called a Cells II which I believe would do this. I'm not sure if I can arrange an import from them and it would be a hassle.

I'd be grateful for any alternative ideas

Thanks :)
 
Yes, the Atom 360 can do HSS and the Wavesync trigger/remote does work with it. The Atom 180 will do HSS 'as is' but the Atom 360 needs the power doubler to make it work - the power doubler takes power from both terminals of Powerpack, halving the recycling time.

If what you want to do is to use Tail End Synch (which is completely different to HSS) then you do need a specialised radio trigger. Cheetah in the US is a re-seller, you can get the Cells 11 (which is made by Godox) from a lot of sellers. IMO though it's old technology and not particuarly good value for money, the Yongnuo YN-622C may be a better bet. The Wavesync transmitter simply plugs into the hotshoe pass-through on the YN-622.

Please see this thread, which explains the principles
 
Thanks Garry. I don't know what Tail End Synch is. It this similar to what Pocket Wizard do to increase sync speed or something else? Can you explain?
 
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Thanks Garry. I don't know what Tail End Synch is. It this similar to what Pocket Wizard do to increase sync speed or something else? Can you explain?
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To work, the flash duration needs to be long enough for the shutter cycle to operate during the flash.
With any IGBT flash, such as the Atom, the flash duration becomes progressively shorter as the power setting is reduced, this means that when the power setting is reduced too far, the flash duration becomes too short for tail end synch to work. On a camera with a fast-moving shutter such as yours, the Atom 360 will probably be OK at 1/4 power, with a slower camera such as the 5D Mk2, it might need to be no lower than 1/2 power.

All is explained here in the Lencarta "Jargon buster" page
 
Well, I've never used it and probably don't want to worry about it. In the meantime if I use a standard trigger I can use the flash as normal at any power so that's all fine and dandy.

Now, if I want to use HSS ( i.e. pulsing light and similar to Canon's standard implementation and nothing fancy added ) I will need to use the Wavelength commander and add a power doubler.

Is this right?

I can't recall the trigger I have at the moment and I'm not sure if it will work if I simply add this power doubler. . I will check when I get home. It was the standard one I bought from you about a year ago
 
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The Wavesync and the power doubler will certainly do it - the trigger you already have may or may not
 
All right. Thanks. I will check when I get home and post the type I already have. Where on your site is the power doubler, Garry? I can't seem to locate it. I'm assuming it's a cable?
 
Unfortunately it's out of stock at the moment and as we don't yet have a delivery date for it we have taken it off the website until we do - but it should arrive soon.

Yes, basically it's just a gizmo that plugs into both of the PowerPack outlets and terminates into a single socket that the lead from the Atom head plugs into. It halves the recycling time, which is always a benefit, and which is essential when using the Atom 360 in HSS mode.
 
Yes, get that one, it's the one you want even though they have wrongly described it as a Y adapter:)
 
Well at least they didn't say it was a Y-Front ;)

Thanks Garry for your help. Just to be clear in my own mind. Are Godox, Genesis and Atom all the same thing with different branding?

Also, and last question. Can you link to the trigger I need to buy to make sure I can use HSS with the 360 please?

Thanks very much :)
 
Yes, it's the Godox Wistro 360, we sell it as the Atom 360, Calumet sell it as the Genesis 400, Interfit and maybe others sell it under their own branding too.

I think we sell more than anyone else because of our warranty and price, but it's all the same product.

You need the Wavesync Commander system, again this is available from other sources and often at a lower price, although I'm not sure that the other sellers have the current model.
Literally any radio trigger set should work with HSS, providing that it doesn't have an inbuilt delay in the system, which some of the cheap ones do, but only the one I linked to also provides remote control of the Atom.
 
It looks like the one I have from you, but I will check when I get home.

Thanks
 
Hi again. I've had a look and it isn't marked at all. Just says "Lencarta". Anyway, after a bit of hunting around I found my invoice dated 6th November last year. It says the "USB trigger set Model TRIO12" and it cost £58.33. Looking at your site, it seems that the stock number matches the Wavesync Commander set. Does this enable you to tell me what it is and whether it will work for me?
 
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Hi again. I've had a look and it isn't marked at all. Just says "Lencarta". Anyway, after a bit of hunting around I found my invoice dated 6th November last year. It says the "USB trigger set Model TRIO12" and it cost £58.33. Looking at your site, it seems that the stock number matches the Wavesync Commander set. Does this enable you to tell me what it is and whether it will work for me?
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Yes, that's the Wavesync - before we re-named it and reduced the price.
 
Thank you. I just need to buy the Godox cord we mentioned and I should be good for HSS then. Is that right?
 
Also, Garry, and sorry for all the questions, will the Quantum flash modifiers fit the Atoms? I'm looking at their striplite and octagon soft boxes
 
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Thank you. I just need to buy the Godox cord we mentioned and I should be good for HSS then. Is that right?
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Also, Garry, and sorry for all the questions, will the Quantum flash modifiers fit the Atoms? I'm looking at their striplite and octagon soft boxes
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wooster said:
Also, Garry, and sorry for all the questions, will the Quantum flash modifiers fit the Atoms? I'm looking at their striplite and octagon soft boxes
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For the price that you'd pay for a Quantum mod, you'd be better off getting the dedicated Godox AD S7 Softbox (18") and a Lastolite 80cm Easy Octobox II with appropriate mount.
Those together will cost you less than the Quantum Octa and tbh the Godox version looks to be a lot more versatile (I have a couple, but I haven't seen the Quantum).

Lencarta used to stock them but they must be out at the moment.
 
Thanks chaps for the good advice and information. When using the Atom with larger modifiers should I use the bare bulb or would a reflector be advisable? I expect the Atom reflectors to be adequate for their small mods but what about larger ones?

For example, I have an Elinchrom Rotalux which I quite fancy using if I can find a good mount. Is this a bit ambitious with the Atom?

If it's a possibility, any ideas where a good mount can be had?
 
The whole idea of using a barebulb flash in a softbox, beauty dish etc is that it's used barebulb...
In which case it will distribute light around the interior perfectly, unlike a hotshoe flash that has a built in reflector. Leaving the reflector on, even it it will fit, would defeat the object.

There are various adapters available, most of them have a cold shoe fitting which is frankly less than ideal, so I suggest that you get this one (or similar) from Ebay, to fit Elinchrom. I haven't looked to see whether that one is the cheapest in that design or not, I'll leave that to you :)
 
Also wanted to ask, but didn't have time earlier, what about an umbrella though? I'd have thought some direction would benefit bare bulb then. I use a reflector on my studio flashes to avoid useless spill of light around the sides of an umbrella even though I use them "bare bulb" with softboxes.
 
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Also wanted to ask, but didn't have time earlier, what about an umbrella though? I'd have thought some direction would benefit bare bulb then. I use a reflector on my studio flashes to avoid useless spill of light around the sides of an umbrella even though I use them "bare bulb" with softboxes.
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Barebulb is for when you want it, e.g for use in a softbox, beauty dish, snoot.
Mostly, you would use the standard reflector (included) e.g. if you want to use it as a high powered hotshoe flash.
If you're using it with an umbrella, you need the umbrella reflector, a clamp for the umbrella fits onto the flash head
 
Hi. As I said I've ordered the linked adapter but was talking to a friend tonight and he reckons it's for Bowens. It says "S" type but it also says Elinchrom. Are you sure it will work with my Elinchrom mods?
 
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Hi. As I said I've ordered the linked adapter but was talking to a friend tonight and he reckons it's for Bowens. It says "S" type but it also says Elinchrom. Are you sure it will work with my Elinchrom mods?
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Well, the Ebay listing I linked to very clearly states that it is for Elinchrom. However, it also states that it is S-fit, and it cannot be both, and also includes other nonsense info. And there are loads of different photos of it, none of which show the actual fitting - pretty typical I'd say of Ebay sellers who have no idea what they're selling...

But it should be OK, and you can always send it back if it isn't[/QUOTE]
 
Sorry to jump in on the thread but it may be of interest to the op , I've been watching with interest so I went and bought the Y cable as I already have the trigger. I am maybe missing the obvious but I am not getting hhs and I have turned the fash head mode on to HHS
 
Hi Stumac. Thanks for jumping in. That sounds a bit worrying. Can you keep updating on your progress please? It would be really helpful for me if you could.
 
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Sorry to jump in on the thread but it may be of interest to the op , I've been watching with interest so I went and bought the Y cable as I already have the trigger. I am maybe missing the obvious but I am not getting hhs and I have turned the fash head mode on to HHS
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On Nikon you need to set to a FP flash speed
 
Will do , unless I've missed a setting in the camera somewhere ? 1/2 the recycle speed is handy and worth the cost of the lead alone
 
Unless the 'Wavesync' trigger is completely different to the standard Godox FT-16 version, then it doesn't support HSS.
 
I'm using the one that comes with the flash where you can control the power etc
But still kit working for me , on the flash head I take it, it's just a case of turning on hhs nothing else??
 
The Rx unit can receive HSS commands but the Tx unit can't send them. It's effectively a dumb trigger in that it'll work with any make of camera.
You need a trigger that's capable of reading the camera's shutter speed to enable HSS. The Godox version is the Cells II trigger.
 
Just to be clear. Is it wrong that the Wavesync trigger will work with HSS if I buy the Y cable thing then? I'm shooting Canon 5Dk3 can someone just confirm what trigger I need to buy to make this work? Is it the Yongnuo 622n or the Godox Cells II trigger?

If I buy the Godox Cells II like this one here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Godox-Cel...raphy_DigitalCamAccess_RL&hash=item3a8dad030b

would it work with my existing wave sync receiver which is attached to the Atom via USB or do I need to buy two cells II transceivers?

If I need both, I'm a bit miffed having spent the best part of £60 on lencarta's trigger and now having to spend the same amount again to get something that works fully with the flash. I see the one I already have on eBay now for £22.65 to add to the pain

Thanks
 
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