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Hey guys I have been trying to get an assistant job, with some of my local pro photographers but everyone I have gone to and asked have just said no, now all these people work on there own. Is it is just because they don't need the help or am I doing something wrong? Any advice on helping me get this position would be great, I'm doing it more for the experience then wanted to get paid for it, I wouldn't even mind if I only went there a couple of days a week helped out and didn't get paid.
 
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you will find it very hard to get anyone one willing to help(ive seen a few on here who are good/nice enough to help others) but most dont want the hassel or chance that you may take future buiseness from them.
And after being here a while ive come to the conclusion that most phorographers even here arnt very helpfull when it comes to helping others get into the industry.

Theres not much you can do but keep trying. I did the same as your self with emailing and sending letters to local photographers and photographers i though might allow me to help out .
All off these i stated i was after experiance not money, but still very few replyed and only one let me assist.
What i was suprised by though was after reading on here everyone said they would only respond to proper letters i found the exact opposite.Not one person i wrote a letter to even responded to say no.

just keep trying and go further afield
 
It might help if you also included some nice photos with your email so that you show them that you can really help out and they do not assume that you are a complete beginner that never took a photo before.
 
Yea will add photos and just keep trying, I guess I can't drive so very limited at the moment on where I can go, but once I pass my driving test I will look further afield.
 
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i can't help you in offering you the experience, but maybe if you said what type of photography you were interested in, and what you wanted to learn as well. not everyone will read your profile and not everyone will know you. i hope you get some help..
 
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well i'm interested in getting as much, and whatever is possible really, my worse subject would be portraits so that would be the one i need the most experience in, but i also like nature, equine and animals.
 
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If you're writing to people using the level of spelling and grammar that you are demonstrating in this thread it won't be sending a good impression. It suggests you're either thick, can't be bothered taking the time to check what you've written or both and they're not desirable qualities.
Presentation counts for a great deal.
 
When a photographer goes to each and every job, their income, reputation and standing is put on the line, not only for that client, but everyone that that client knows.

What can you do to convince the photographers that you'd like to work with not only that you'll be helpful, but that you pose no risk to them whatsoever?


Also, emails and phone calls just annoy most photographers. Find ways to meet photographers in person.

Many photographers do work alone. A lot of the time, especially for 'social' photographers - family portraits, weddings etc, working alone makes a lot of sense. If you want a job doing properly... and all that. Commercial photographers who typically work for bigger corporate clients and use more and more sophisticated equipment tend to have more of a need for an assistant. Many will even use not terribly paid freelance assistants - with expert technical knowledge of basically all modern camera and lighting systems, as well as experience on set and in 'getting things done'. As well as being a photographer, I'm also one of these freelance assistants. It's good, but hard work and requires really quite a lot of experience.

Helping out for free is not a unique selling point, that alone will not get you assisting. In fact, many photographers will rather pay someone who's reliable and proven than take on a new work experience person every other week.

Most photographers don't have a 'set' work schedule - some studio photographers are probably the exception here (and they probably don't really need an assistant), so offering for a 'couple of days a week' isn't the right way to go about it.

Find photographers. Ideally ones who use lighting. Have some work that's in a similar field to them that you can (informally) chat about. Show that you're ok socially and can talk to people. Ask if you could possibly spend a day with them. Go from there.

If you're writing to people using the level of spelling and grammar that you are demonstrating in this thread it won't be sending a good impression. It suggests you're either thick, can't be bothered taking the time to check what you've written or both and they're not desirable qualities.
Presentation counts for a great deal.

I don't like people being -overly- picky about this - but yes, it is very true.

Everything from a handshake (firm but not too firm) to how you dress, to the thickness of the card stock of your business cards, people judge everyone all the time, even subconsciously. You want to fit the right mental image. A key attribute of being an assistant is fine attention to detail, and while I appreciate that this thread isn't your CV, it would suggest a lack of it. Take your time :)
 
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What Dave said.

Being an assistant is a skilled job. Photographers don't want to be telling you how to do everything, and 'training you up' as they may as well go do whatever it is themselves and save the hassle.

So, read up, watch videos and ask questions of people more experienced than yourself. Learn what is required on commercial shoots and how they tend to pan out.

Then put a lot more effort into your spelling and grammar. Your Facebook page where you are promoting your services is rife with basic mistakes. This doesn't present a professional approach to your work. :thumbs:
 
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I'm with what Darren (and James) said...
but to be honest, I didn't have the b4lls to say it first. When i first read there was one reply, and i wonder if they even bother teaching grammar and spelling anymore.

I'm not being narky, it makes all the difference. Remember if you are presenting yourself in type/text, that's all you have to make a good impression. It really does matter!

This is compounded, as Dave said, when a 'tog looking to take you on, needs to be able to see you as a good representation of them/ their company.

Typos are one thing (on a forum) but flat out spelling errors and bad grammar dont do you any favours.

Have a look into that, because to be honest, if your submissions are like your posts in this thread, it'll be quickly looked over :)

You can do it! You have been given really good advice on the posts above, go with it ;)
 
I have been given good advice but stop, moaning at me about my spelling okay, I had this on another post and no one seems to think the obvious there is reasons, why I can't spell reasons my grammar is not 100% reasons I shouldn't have to explain to anyone one! But thanks for the rest I'd your advice.
 
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I have been given good advice but stop.having ago at me about my spelling okay I had on anouther post and no one seems to think the obvious there is reasons why I can't spell reasons mu grammer is not 100% reasons I shouldn't have to explain to anyone one! But thanks for the rest I'd your advice

Hayley, they are not having a go at you, they are explaining some basic problems. We all accept there may be reasons, but there are also easy resolutions - most web browsers, email programs and programs such as Microsoft Word have grammar and spell checkers inbuilt, you need to be using them. You could also ask someone to check your letters, emails, and anything you write on the web to promote yourself with before it is sent. Please don't take offence, everyone is trying to genuinely help you, but we live in an 'immediate' world and people will make almost instant decisions based on initial impressions, so that impression has to count and you have to look like you have made an effort.
 
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I have been given good advice but stop.having ago at me about my spelling okay I had on anouther post and no one seems to think the obvious there is reasons why I can't spell reasons mu grammer is not 100% reasons I shouldn't have to explain to anyone one! But thanks for the rest I'd your advice


Hayley, they are not having a go at you, they are explaining some basic problems. We all accept there may be reasons, but there are also easy resolutions - most web browsers, email programs and programs such as Microsoft Word have grammar and spell checkers inbuilt, you need to be using them. You could also ask someone to check your letters, emails, and anything you write on the web to promote yourself with before it is sent. Please don't take offence, everyone is trying to genuinely help you, but we live in an 'immediate' world and people will make almost instant decisions based on initial impressions, so that impression has to count and you have to look like you have made an effort.

+1.

I'm dyslexic. I have the spell-as-you-type function on all the time, and it picks up most of my spelling errors (though it will try to teach me American...), even on forums such as this. As for grammar, that has to be learned. You learn it, practice it, and it improves. A bit like, to pick a totally random example, photography. :D

Get into the habit of getting it right. It doesn't take any longer to write a correctly spelled and more-or-less correctly punctuated sentence, and is a good habit. Quite a few potential employers of photography assistants are reading this very thread. Isn't it a good idea to give them a good impression?
 
My Internet doesn't have it I'm using fire fox and. For some reason it doesn't have it but I do always get my boyfriend to check spellings on my cv and cover letters I send to possible job opportunities
 
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My internet doesn't have it I'm using fire fox and. For some reason it doesn't have it but I do always get my boyfriend to check spellings on my cb and annum letters I send to possible job opiunities

Hi Hayley,

I struggle with dyslexic fingers, they move to fast for my brain at times.:D Install this firefox add on and it adds a British dictionary. Everything it thinks you've misspelt (even capitals etc) it adds a red underline:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/british-english-dictionary/
 
I often use Firefox as well. Try this if the others don't do it for you (though they probably will).
 
okay guys thanks i will give them ago once i get home, ill download them and then redo my posts on here and on facebook, also just re read my first post on here and where it says,

Hey guys I have been fringe to get an assistant job


that is in fact the predictive on my phone, thinking trying is saying fringe sorry about that one.
 
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well im intresting in getting as much and whatever is possible really my worse subject would be portaits so that would be the one i need the most experience in, but i also like nature, equine and animals

Hayley, what areas of photography are the photographers you are writing to working in? and how honest are you being in your application about your own areas of interest?

Most people looking for an assistant will be looking for someone that can, to a certain extent, be left to get on with the job, knows what to do without being told.. in essense they will be looking for someone they don't have to teach.

If you're writing to local photographers that focus on portraits, to boost your own perceived weaknesses, and you're presenting a portfolio weak in portraits and perhaps saying that this is an area that you want to improve in, you might be shooting yourself in the foot. If portraits are a weakness, why not try an evening class or college module in this area first.

I have no idea who you are, or what you're like, or how you've expressed yourself in the letters. But you haven't presented yourself well on this thread, the spelling and grammar are a problem on this thread which I am glad to hear you have a system of addressing with your boyfriend checking things before you send them, but you also come across as, well, to be blunt, a bit vague with the fluffy animals and horses. Do you have your portfolio online? perhaps as a set on Flickr or an album on Photobucket. That way we might also be able to give some advice on how you're presenting your abilities to the photographers you are contacting.

To know what you might be doing wrong, we need to know what you're doing - so a copy of the CV and covering letter you have sent to a couple of photographers would also be useful. An immediate problem would be if you're sending the same covering letter to everyone - that almost never works.

And the best tip I was ever given when applying for jobs:

"The first person that reads your application does not want to give you the job."

It takes a bit of thinking to realise the significance and truth of this, I wish careers teachers would get this across. Because it can change the way you apply for jobs when you get your head around it.
 
Okay well I have my Flickr, and a group on Facebook with all my photos on. I have 6 different portfolios, one for equine, one for pets (canine and feline other domestic animals), one for my wildlife shots, one for my landscapes, one for portraits( although its not as strong as they others), and one with a mix of everything, I do my research before sending my e-mails, I find out what the photographer is based in and what ones are there main areas, I then write a cover letter to each individual photographer and send the same CV into them.

Spelling and grammar any better in this one?
 
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Hayley, you're not sending out a printed portfolio relavent to the photographer you're writing to? A letter is usually preferred to an email, it's too easy to delete an email. A letter on good (decent weight, white - not cheap copier) paper will always get more attention. It shows more effort on your part. Using Flickr as an online portfolio only works if you only have your absolute best shots visible.

PS
Grammer better - punctuation really helps readability, spelling - still a lot of errors (domestic, research, biased.. you did ask).
 
Okay well I have my Flickr, and a group on Facebook with all my photos on. I have 6 diffrent portfolios, one for equine, one for pets (canine and feline other demestic animals), one for my wildlife shots, one for my landscapes, one for portraits( althought its not as strong as they others), and one with a mix of everything, I do my reserch before sending my e-mails, I find out what the photographer is baised in and what ones are there main areas, I then write a cover letter to each individual photographer and send the same cv into them.

Spelling and grammer any better in this one?

Yup! :p

Have a look through your flickr and other stuff, and dump or hide anything that isn't up to your best standard. Duds tend to get noticed among a bunch of good stuff. Learning critical awareness of your own work is one of the most important skills in photography.
 
Aha yea I asked but at least it was better, I'm on my phone so no spell check and predictive Isn't great. Will go through my Flickr tonight and sort through them, as well and OK will start writing letters. Is it worth sending letters to the people I have already emailed?
 
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Hayley, this isn't an additional pop, but just to reinforce what others have said...

A huge number of photographers are dyslexic; part of the reason is how the logical and creative parts of the brain work with each other, and the other part is that many have become snappers because they have dyslexia/dyspraxia etc etc.

Have a read of these two blog posts from a working editorial photographer, which are his guides about how to approach, and how not to approach getting assistant work:


http://www.photosmudger.com/2008/01/how-to-approach-photographers-and-small.html

http://www.photosmudger.com/2011/08/photographers-assistant-guide-perfect.html



The blog is by an excellent dynamic guy, and both Dave* & I have been on one of his one day Asst. seminars at Calumet- a great day for £35 if they run another series!


*we would have done the same day if someone hadn't had a hangover. ;)
 
Haley as others have said presentation is the first thing I look at with job applications. If someone can't present themselves properly to a potential employer, then there is no chance of letting them being let loose with a client,let alone getting a job.
Clients can spend several hundred pounds for photographs arn't going to put up with anything but the best. That includes from how the photographer first replies to any enquiries, to meeting the clients, preparing contracts, the shoot itself and the follow up afterward.

In my line of work the first 10 seconds of answering a telephone call can win or loose me a potential client,and its the same when applying for a job,even when written, it has to be perfect or will get chucked out

Realspeed
 
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A huge number of photographers are dyslexic


Sorry to intervene, but the words sweeping and generalisation come to mind. You cannot expect people to take you seriously if you make such basic grammar and spelling errors as are prevalent in these posts.
Use a dictionary, write the comment in a word processor and check it before posting, go to the gp and ask for a referral for issues surrounding dyslexia - and perhaps stop using your phone and text speak when posting on the forum.
If you take yourself seriously and address issues which need addressing you may get more offers of help.
 
Aha yea I asked but atleast it was betta, I'm on my phone so no spell check and predictive Isint great. Will go throught my Flickr tonight and sort throught them, as well and ok will start writing letters. Is it worth sending letters to the people I have already emailed?

Yes, they've probably forgotten your email already. Most people will have forgotten a cold approach (letter, email telephone call) within three weeks.
 
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A huge number of photographers are dyslexic

Sorry to intervene, but the words sweeping and generalisation come to mind. You cannot expect people to take you seriously if you make such basic grammar and spelling errors as are prevalent in these posts.
Use a dictionary, write the comment in a word processor and check it before posting, go to the gp and ask for a referral for issues surrounding dyslexia - and perhaps stop using your phone and text speak when posting on the forum.
If you take yourself seriously and address issues which need addressing you may get more offers of help.

I can sweep and generalise as much as I want; the quote comes from a press and editorial photographer with almost 30 years experience in the industry.

My point is that we need to be aware of our shortcomings and develop strategies to deal with them.

I didn't say it was an excuse.
 
*we would have done the same day if someone hadn't had a hangover.

hehe, hush you! I blame a severe lack of chip shops for my empty stomach...


Loads of great advice in this thread, good luck :)
 
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cornishboy said:
perhaps stop using your phone and text speak when posting on the forum.
If you take yourself seriously and address issues which need addressing you may get more offers of help.

I'm not always on my phone, just when I am away from the computer like I am now. I have never once wrote on this forum in text speak, as I hate text speak and to be quite honest, I may only be 18 but it confuses me so me using is never happens.

And thanks everyone i will look at those links when i finish work, thanks for all your advice I will take it into consideration, when i am applying for more jobs.
 
Hayley, this thread might be interesting. Remember that it's a bunch of pro's having a good bitching session on the web and getting it off their collective chests, but there are some nuggets of information there about how enquiries like those you want to make are received.

Something else I've remembered.. timing the arrival of the letter. If it's an owner-manager with few or no staff, post your applications first class on a Monday. That way they hit the Tuesday morning post which is usually the quietest of the week (in theory, the only post delivered on a Tuesday has to have been posted first class on Monday). Unless the office/studio isn't open on Mondays - the first post of the week is definitely the wrong one to have a cold enquiry buried under. Your research should identify opening times. You want to hit the recipient's desk when it's least full.

And always follow-up every letter with a phone call. Within 5-7 days of the letter arriving, and aiming for a time that you think will be most convenient for them (not you). So not when they've only just arrived and haven't hung-up their coat or boiled the kettle, not lunchtime, and not in the last 90 minutes of the day.

It's worth considering including a stamped, self-addressed postcard in with the application. Include some text on the back so that the recipient only has to tick a box to say that they've "received your application and will give it due thought", "recieved your application and would like you to call them". Never include an outright rejection option on the postcard. This makes it easy for you to get an acknowledgement back, and it gets the recipient interacting with your application.
 
I'm not a professional photographer myself but I work on film sets every day playing with lights. I have seen on more than one occasion people in the street approach the stills photographer, having a good chat and the following day they are there on set as an assitant. Might be worth approaching some people directly if you see something happening out on the street somewhere. As all the people here state, if you have a good personality then that goes a long way, and I guess its a lot of 'right place, right time'...

I got my break by approaching a random stranger when I saw filming in a London street who's now given me 3 years of back to back work since...

Good luck!
 
I'm not always on my phone, just when I am away from the computer like I am now. I have never once wrote on this forum in text speak, as I hate text speak and to be quite honest, I may only be 18 but it confuses me so me using is never happens.

And thanks everyone i will look at those links when i finish work, thanks for all your advice I will take it into consideration, when i am applying for more jobs.
Good attitude - and I notice your spelling is much better. :) People want to hire someone who will put the effort in to get the details right. So even if you aren't successful immediately, you are learning and improving how you approach prospective employers - which will pay off in the end.

Good luck!
 
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Hayley, this thread might be interesting. Remember that it's a bunch of pro's having a good bitching session on the web and getting it off their collective chests, but there are some nuggets of information there about how enquiries like those you want to make are received.

Something else I've remembered.. timing the arrival of the letter. If it's an owner-manager with few or no staff, post your applications first class on a Monday. That way they hit the Tuesday morning post which is usually the quietest of the week (in theory, the only post delivered on a Tuesday has to have been posted first class on Monday). Unless the office/studio isn't open on Mondays - the first post of the week is definitely the wrong one to have a cold enquiry buried under. Your research should identify opening times. You want to hit the recipient's desk when it's least full.

And always follow-up every letter with a phone call. Within 5-7 days of the letter arriving, and aiming for a time that you think will be most convenient for them (not you). So not when they've only just arrived and haven't hung-up their coat or boiled the kettle, not lunchtime, and not in the last 90 minutes of the day.

It's worth considering including a stamped, self-addressed postcard in with the application. Include some text on the back so that the recipient only has to tick a box to say that they've "received your application and will give it due thought", "recieved your application and would like you to call them". Never include an outright rejection option on the postcard. This makes it easy for you to get an acknowledgement back, and it gets the recipient interacting with your application.


That you you have been a great help thank you.
 
Try the title as well Hayley............:thumbs:
 
Hayley, maybe if you search out your local college and see if there's a photography course you could go on, to learn the basics of what the pro's would expect of you, you wouldn't have such a hard time with them. If they said for you to go set up the lights and you went straight ahead and did it or something like that.
You have some very good photos on your Flikr site and like most of us, some not so good. Cut them down a bit and only show your best work, and if any of the guys you email or write to contact you and you know your stuff you'll soon be tagging along.
Don't give up hope and don't take the criticisms too much to heart as it's not personal, but I know how frustrating it can be. All you can do is give it your best shot.
 
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