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Ok so i am almost certain that you are all really bored of my constant questions whilst never replying but hey... why stop now? :'(:love::love: :p

Some of you may remember that i made the switch to film a month or so ago and the date has come around (after being pushed back many times for my first proper shoot with film (Saturday)
I plan to use Ilford Delta 3200 Professional as I really want some grainy "Moody" images.

We are shooting in an old office/warehouse lit up by your usual flourescent tubes. I have no acsess to further equipment except for my Yashica and its onboard flash (Nor do I want to, I like the idea of a challenge :))

So what do you guys (and girls!) recommend to get some moody grainy shots? The photos are to include 2 motorbikes and 5 women, "Bikerbabes" is the organisation and its all to do with an annual charity event ran in the local area where by these woman help to marshall the event.

Any help is majorly appreciated, I'm a complete noob with very limited photographic ability/talent (as my website shows ;))

Bry :)
 
I reccommend an assistant... to hold the reflectors and so on... and bracketing. Lots of bracketing. Oh, and a lightmeter too - a closeup one if there are lots of shadows.
 
I'd recommend making lots of shadows, flat diffused all-around florescent lighting is not conducive to "Moody".
You need to shape light some way or another.
 
TBY - A great magazine there, Reguarly pick that up :)

Lots of shadows seems the answer then, I think I can turn off different tubes (Most are on independent switches) so hopefully that will help, some creative use of some tables etc might help further...

The 3200, that will produce fairly grainy images straight out of the camera correct?

Bry
 
jemdna said:
TBY - A great magazine there, Reguarly pick that up :)

Lots of shadows seems the answer then, I think I can turn off different tubes (Most are on independent switches) so hopefully that will help, some creative use of some tables etc might help further...

The 3200, that will produce fairly grainy images straight out of the camera correct?

Bry
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Now, I'd like to point out that I take no responsibility if you kill yourself with this...

Have you considered a stepladder (assuming the lights are low-hung enough) and taking a couple of tubes/chokes out of the strips? That will enable you to get a much more "moody" look by having fewer lights.

Old factories/warehouses lighting is designed to be constant with no dark spots, which is a nightmare for photography. If you can kill a couple of strips then you'll get a bit more atmosphere.

Another thing to try is, if it's particularly dusty...kick up a lot of it, it'll give you a dusty grain to the shots as well as the 3200...
 
Have you considered a stepladder (assuming the lights are low-hung enough) and taking a couple of tubes/chokes out of the strips? That will enable you to get a much more "moody" look by having fewer lights.
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I have a feeling that by the end of the day I will be climbing the walls anyway so grabbing the lights shouldn't be an issue :lol:

Cheers for the help bud!

Bry
 
jemdna said:
I have a feeling that by the end of the day I will be climbing the walls anyway so grabbing the lights shouldn't be an issue :lol:

Cheers for the help bud!

Bry
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Thinking outside the box mate! Stepladders are vital anyway...you can cajole an assistant to climb one with reflectors etc.
 
The organizer of the event is over tonight to discuss just what she exactly wants from these photos, I'll post more later :)

Bry
 
jemdna said:
The 3200, that will produce fairly grainy images straight out of the camera correct?

Bry
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Not that simple, its true 3200 has grain (meter @ 1000 btw), but the developer you use will alter how much.
I don't want to get into pushing because its kinda difficult to guess just how grainy a 2 stop 3200 push is, only that you get more than if you shot and developed it at its native speed.
Rodinal and HC110 can be nice grain developers.
This is Ilford 3200, shot at 1000 and developed in ilfosol s which is a fine grain developer, so if you want more grain don't use a fine grain developer.

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gawd, everytime somebody mentions 3200 and grain, I end up posting this picture.....:gag:
 
Aye, I've shot D3200 @ 3200 and (albeit on 6x6) it might produce less grain than you expected if you use the right developer. Microphen is good for films like d3200,
 
One thing to be careful of with Delta 3200 is that it is DX coded for 3200 ISO, yet its actual speed is 1000 ISO so if your camera takes the DX code as it is you pretty much have to push process it anyway. Some cameras don't have the 11th or 12th DX pin so they will only read to a lesser speed, so who knows what they are actually exposing to.
 
For really chunky grain I'd go for a slower film and push it to buggery...Tri-X of HP-5 developed in D-76 or ID-11, dilute it beyond what the manufacturers recommend and then over develop...the 'chunky' grain you often see isn't from the film's grain itself - even in 'fast' film emulsions, the silver halides are still less than 1 micron in diameter, but 'grain-clumping' caused by over-development - the developed grains migrate towards each other...
 
Cheers for all the advice everyone, unfortuntly I ONLY have 3200 to use for this shoot (Im poor, its for charity)

I can manually set ISO on my camera so do people suggest, that even if the DX has set it to 3200, I should set it at 1000? Do i then need to tell the people developing I've done that or do I just tell them to process as usual?

Bry
 
shoot it at iso 1000 and process normally.

I dunno why ilford rate it at 3200, some peeps say it indicates a pushed level, but that doesn't make sense to me...:shrug:

maybe they just lie...:)
 
Well the shot has taken place, fairly happy with what happened although you never quite know how its going to look (The joys of film :lol:)

I'll update once Ive had it processed :)

Bry
 
Any feedback? :)
 
joxby said:
shoot it at iso 1000 and process normally.

I dunno why ilford rate it at 3200, some peeps say it indicates a pushed level, but that doesn't make sense to me...:shrug:

maybe they just lie...:)
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I just looked at Ilfords site and several other places - apparently if developed in a normal developer like ID-11 then the speed is 1000, but when processed in a high speed developer such as Tmax or DDx its speed is 3200.

Pictures look pretty good to me.
 
I'm liking the grain you've got but they seem to lack a bit of 'punch' for me. Too much grey and and not enough black and white. That's just my opinion of course, it may have been the look you were after. Having said that they do seem to work well as a set.
 
Hi,

First things first: Does your mom know about the company you keep? :D :)

The photos are not bad at all considering the work place and your start off etc.

You lose the 'punch' more with the indoor shots. As has been said, have a play with contrast (NOT the girls!) and see what you come up with.

Well done.

Thanks
 
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