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Explaining all about the laws governing street photography, including the fact that the police can't force you to delete pics from your memory card as they pictures are personal property. I didn't know that!
 
Yup its very true. They can't force you to delete images or take your equipment. Of course if you feel a tense situation may be resolved by deleting them feel free.
 
Me too, some of us give in far to easily to those who are ill informed and have no idea what they are trying to enforce:rules: :thumbs:

I'm all for about 300 of us getting together near the London Eye and taking photo's see who turns up then if anyone :lol:

 
I'm all for about 300 of us getting together near the London Eye and taking photo's see who turns up then if anyone :lol:


If you do that today there will be about 17,000 Police turn up! :eek:
 
Erm I can try scan it in tonight, my scanner is a bit poo though so bear with me.
 
Ah yeah didn't think of the copyright, despite reading an article about it yesterday ha ha. Will still be worth scanning it into my PC though, keep all useful stuff together so the mags can go into storage.
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Technically isn't it a breach of copyright to scan it in? :) Go out and buy it ya bums :p I've been out and had problems with security people, and I know I should fit harder but when you're in a public place with families and you have someone "quoting" from the child protection act I just really didn't want to get into it. No amount of knowing your right can change peoples opinions on things. I was doing a job for a shopping center, wearing a security ID and some random old woman had a go at me saying I couldn't take photos of families eating their lunch. I had been asked to by the people who owned the building, and told her so. She kept ranting. I waved my badge, she kept ranting. People are hard to work with :)
 
Ah yeah didn't think of the copyright, despite reading an article about it yesterday ha ha. Will still be worth scanning it into my PC though, keep all useful stuff together so the mags can go into storage.
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You can quote the article though - just not scan a page or pages of a magazine into a forum :)
 
You should have called security :)

She threatened to, so I said "Fine, go for it." She didn't but I bumped into security about 1 minute later. I could see her watching and knew she was telling her friends that I'd been caught. Of course I was just chatting to them, showing them my work and off they went.
 
... Should ave called the police, and then had her prosecuted for harassment. :D

Me too, some of us give in far to easily to those who are ill informed and have no idea what they are trying to enforce:rules: :thumbs:

I'm all for about 300 of us getting together near the London Eye and taking photo's see who turns up then if anyone :lol:


Lol, Count me in, I think we should we wear masks and balaclavas too, just to make it clear. :thumbs:
 
What are people so scared of? Don't they realise they're being recorded on CCTV all the time they're in shopping centres? Fear of the unknown is what it is. And it debilitates these fools.
 
What are people so scared of? Don't they realise they're being recorded on CCTV all the time they're in shopping centres? Fear of the unknown is what it is. And it debilitates these fools.

They're scared because every night on the news theres another rape, killing, p***, being "marketed". "He has a camera!! Pedos take photos of kids!! I failed maths but that all adds up to me! Lynch him!"
 
Actually Adam, I like that idea :thumbs:

I was thinking about a mass tog meetup would be a great idea :D
 
I'm up for a protest meet as well. We could randomly report people for using their eyes when there are children nearby :lol:
 
Plus a lot of the time they won't arrest you, because it takes them off duty, and while they are dealing with you they aren't a visible police presence, and can't deal with any proper crime
 
Oh goody :thumbs: ... although I don't think we should be going for getting arrested. (Pictures screaming TP members being dragged of during a justified hysterical tantrum.) ... Just a polite gathering of camo plastered, hooded and masked, with the biggest lens you have, bunch of friendly tourist photographers.... Possibly in square or arrow head formation. ;) ;)

I could get another film license for this, like I did on the London sunrise meet last year.... hehe ...that'll scupper them...:D
 
Loads of stuff in the article - the FAQ is good. Basically (and unusually for English law ;) ) common sense applies.

If there is any demand, I should be able to reduce the article to a series of questions and one line answers with links as appropriate. I think that will appease the copyright gods.

B.
 
Actually Adam, I like that idea :thumbs:

I was thinking about a mass tog meetup would be a great idea :D


Sounds like a plan and I could come along and take pictures of you all being arrested for taking pictures :lol::lol:
:thinking: Hmm wait a minute though :D
 
Ok here is a brief reduction of the article.

Can I take pictures on the train station?

Yes, but there are rules to stick to and you must tell the station duty manager

Can I be arrested for harassment by taking a photograph of somebody?

Yes. For a harassment offence to have been committed the behaviour must have occurred on two separate occasions.


What should I do if the police stop me taking pictures?

The police in the UK can't stop you taking pictures.
Be polite, answer the questions and explain what you are doing. Remember they have heard every original excuse you can think of. If they search you you need to know the information contained on the following web site: Police Stop And Search Powers etc.

Can I be arrested for invading someone's privacy?
No.
However the Press Complaints Commission has a policy which you should stick to if you want to stay out of bother
PCC Code of Practice

I like taking pictures of people - do I need to be worried by libel?
Yes - don't add a caption which says anything other than exactly what you have seen. "Man asleep on park bench" is probably ok, "Typical homeless drunk crashed on park bench" isn't.

If I am asked to wipe my memory card do I have to do it?

No. They are your pictures. If any MoP asks you to and starts to use threatening behaviour, call the police. The police have no right to delete them either.

Why can't I take pictures at Gigs?

The gig is a private place and it is up to them who can take pictures. If you do decide to take pictures anyway you could be treated as a trespasser ab initio. This allows them to force you to leave.

Can someone stop me taking pictures of their house?

No, as long as you aren't trespassing when you take the picture - this includes leaning on their fence.

Can I take pictures of my children naked?

Yes. As long as they aren't indecent. unfortunately the definition of indecent is up for grabs. The photo marketing association issues guidelines to photo labs :-
1. Does the child appear to be under 19?
2. Is the child aware the photo is being taken (posed)
3. Are genitalia exposed?
4. Does the photograph have a gratuitously sexual implication?
5. Is it indecent by virtue of the context?

Can I take shots of my children playing Saturday league football?

Yes, if the teams are playing on public land and there are no by-laws to prevent it. Always check with the match referee and officials.
FA Guidelines

Why can't I take pictures of my child at school?

A school is a private place and it is up to the school who may or may not take pictures. There are child protection issues which should be respected - one of which makes it an offence for a carer to allow the identification and location of a child under care by the publication of a photograph.

There is more but largely covered well elsewhere.
 
Actually Adam, I like that idea :thumbs:

I was thinking about a mass tog meetup would be a great idea :D

As I said in another thread, a mass tog 'flashmob' of parliament square. A few hundred togs with the biggest lenses they can find in somewhere it is 'illegal' to protest would certainly make the news.:lol:

(And I'm only half joking.):shrug:
 
If I am asked to wipe my memory card do I have to do it?

No. They are your pictures. If any MoP asks you to and starts to use threatening behaviour, call the police. The police have no right to delete them either.

that’s interesting I suppose if it went to court the pics could be used as evidence
 
>>i decided not to risk the picture!

You should have asked them; they can only say no :D

B.
 
A lot of public events are policed by specials. Specials don't tend to have a thorough grasp of the law and get it wrong! There are few places you cannot take pictures so just go for it and remember that if you are arrested for something when you shouldn't be its lovely new lens or camera time! You can get a couple of grand for a wrongful arrest !! :thumbs:

I would laugh if I was told to stop taking pictures or wipe a picture but I'm a copper and I know the law!
 
Just a polite gathering of camo plastered, hooded and masked, with the biggest lens you have, bunch of friendly tourist photographers.... Possibly in square or arrow head formation.


Lol

:cuckoo:
 
>>Specials don't tend to have a thorough grasp of the law and get it wrong!

LMAO - The same applies to regulars... regulars are just more confident about being wrong so most people don't notice.

BenM
 
>>Specials don't tend to have a thorough grasp of the law and get it wrong!

LMAO - The same applies to regulars... regulars are just more confident about being wrong so most people don't notice.

BenM

Or regulars have had more training and passed exams on law so they actually know more.
 
Just out of curiosity cowasaki (And I wont keep this thread OT, promise!) Just a little curiosity.

Do you get on well with the specials you work with? Are they treated the same as the regulars when in duty? IE You're all in it together...or do you find that they are given the crap jobs etc, and to an extent "not one of the boys" and therefore excluded (Honest curiosity that's all, I was a follower of the specials when I applied a few years ago, so knew of the problems that everyone faced...just wondered how much it's changed).
 
Just out of curiosity cowasaki (And I wont keep this thread OT, promise!) Just a little curiosity.

Do you get on well with the specials you work with? Are they treated the same as the regulars when in duty? IE You're all in it together...or do you find that they are given the crap jobs etc, and to an extent "not one of the boys" and therefore excluded (Honest curiosity that's all, I was a follower of the specials when I applied a few years ago, so knew of the problems that everyone faced...just wondered how much it's changed).

I don't know what it is like elsewhere but the specials where I work are very good. There are some very dedicated officers and a particularly dedicated divisional specials commander. I used to regularly work with them and some of them have even been on the full police driving courses and can drive the vehicles code 1 with blue lights flashing!! Specials get a certain amount of training but this is pointed more towards the kinds of work that they will encounter such as public order, drunkenness, minor traffic offences, theft etc. More specialist stuff tends to come later with experience.

When there is a public event such as say a cycle race or whatever then the specials are often deployed as this is an ideal role for them. Their training has to be up to the job and it is but obviously they can come across stuff that they are not trained for as can a regular.

The training for regular officers is pretty much dictated country wide but for specials it isn't as far as I am aware and they clearly don't have the time to go into each and every law.

The specials don't get the rubbish jobs because if they did they would just leave but they do tend to get the jobs more fitting to their experience. This is why when there is an event you will often see more specials than regulars.

Basically British law is a complicated beast. If you created an encyclopedia British law you would need dozens of volumes to cover everything and it is also clear that not every officer will know every law in the finest of details. You have more chance of a regular knowing the law than a special due to experience and training but yes you can come across either that does not necessarily know.
 
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