Art Morris leaving Canon for Nikon.......

ryanyboy said:
Ok, stick to your “my dad is bigger than yours” pedantry. One day you’ll realise there’s more to life than these pathetic arguments.
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This pedantry is extremely important to some people, especially if your livelihood depends on it, and worth hundreds of thousands to the leading manufacturer - which is what this thread's about.
 
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'Since the creation of the program in 1995, Canon’s Explorers of Light have been leaders in their respective fields, garnering awards and accolades for their work. These individuals work with Canon extensively as representatives, ambassadors, educators, and role models for aspiring creative artists. They participate in workshops, seminars, gallery showings and personal appearances throughout the United States.' - Canon USA Expands Explorers of Light Program.

'As loyal Nikon partners, Nikon Ambassadors’ commitment and contributions to the photographic industry have influenced and inspired photographers around the world. Their desire to educate and empower image-makers is part of their daily business, through workshops, trade shows, online learning, social media and more. Nikon Ambassadors are dedicated to advancing the art of visual storytelling while embracing and mastering the latest technologies and trends.' - Meet the Nikon Ambassadors.

'Don’t worry about a thing. You’ll have people behind you whose job it is to select the most worthy products for you to use. Your job is just to do as they say.' - James Tiptree Jr, 'The Girl Who Was Plugged In'.
 
johnf3f said:
To "flavio".

People usually make a big deal of it when a well known photographer changes their gear - I assumed that this was why you started this thread? I don't quite understand your dismissal of Andy Rouse's changing systems after all if Andy's change of system is "Whatever, I didn't make this thread to discuss Andy Rouse." Then what relevance is Art?

If you want to be the messenger then (perhaps) either choose your messages more carefully or keep your head below the parapet? You know there are going to be bullets flying!

Not having a go - just confused as to your responses.
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Ok you want an honest response!
The reason I pulled out of this discussion is simply because of people like yourself spreading misinformation and making comments which you know will cause agro.
You say you have tried Nikon's best, well either you haven't tried Nikon's latest generation of cameras(D5/D500/D850)and latest tele lenses(or zooms) or you don't have sufficient knowledge to work out how to use them or you would not be spreading such nonsense.

In all reviews (by acknowledged/respected photographers), Nikon's latest offerings are being acknowledged as game changers.Now I don't care what gear anyone uses but if people start talking rubbish because their personal preferences are contradicted then that's just not helpful to anyone.

When assessing any gear whether it's camera gear, cars, food mixers etc one should have an open mind and performance should be judged on results and not influenced by a personal loyalty to a particular make.
I don't know you and I have no grudge to bear but if your contribution is to make comments which are inflammatory and innacurate then it's a conversation I'm staying out of.

I made the thread because I know many bird photographers frequent these forums and most will know of Art Morris, he has been with Canon for an awful long time so if he decides to change to Nikon it must be for a good reason and I'm certain many people here would be interested
to know of his change.

As for Andy Rouse, he went from Canon to Nikon and then back to Canon, I'm not going to discuss this here because I know already why he changed and the situation is not comparable.

Have a nice day.
Cheers
 
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ryanyboy said:
Ok, stick to your “my dad is bigger than yours” pedantry. One day you’ll realise there’s more to life than these pathetic arguments.
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Why are you taking part in it then if that is how you feel?
 
Retune said:
'Since the creation of the program in 1995, Canon’s Explorers of Light have been leaders in their respective fields, garnering awards and accolades for their work. These individuals work with Canon extensively as representatives, ambassadors, educators, and role models for aspiring creative artists. They participate in workshops, seminars, gallery showings and personal appearances throughout the United States.' - Canon USA Expands Explorers of Light Program.

'As loyal Nikon partners, Nikon Ambassadors’ commitment and contributions to the photographic industry have influenced and inspired photographers around the world. Their desire to educate and empower image-makers is part of their daily business, through workshops, trade shows, online learning, social media and more. Nikon Ambassadors are dedicated to advancing the art of visual storytelling while embracing and mastering the latest technologies and trends.' - Meet the Nikon Ambassadors.

'Don’t worry about a thing. You’ll have people behind you whose job it is to select the most worthy products for you to use. Your job is just to do as they say.' - James Tiptree Jr, 'The Girl Who Was Plugged In'.
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Andy Rouse was very open about why he switched from Nikon to Canon when I went to one of his talks, it was because of the opportunities that canon were prepared to fund for him that Nikon weren't. At the time he said Nikon were withdrawing some of their funding for their ambassador trips. Nikon were in financial difficulties at the time.

Now some people may try to claim the switch is because some systems are better than others, teh same people who claim they didn't want to make this a 'one system is better than the other' discussion.

But if you look at the images these top photographers produce they can get images with either system. The differences between the top systems are tiny, some better than others on different points but equally capable of producing great images.

At which point it comes down to the opportunities available to the photographer, which is the money offered for these opportunities for the photographers to take trips to promote the products. Ultimately we all win because of the inspiring images produced.
 
flavio said:
I've edited all of my contributions in this thread because I don't want to get into a pointless discussion about who makes the best gear.
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flavio said:
You say you have tried Nikon's best, well either you haven't tried Nikon's latest generation of cameras(D5/D500/D850)and latest tele lenses(or zooms) or you don't have sufficient knowledge to work out how to use them or you would not be spreading such nonsense.
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No wonder there's so much argument in the birding forum...
 
Nikon must have paid him to do it.

While there are some differences, and maybe that Nikon (i.e. Sony) sensor is better, they are all great for the job these days. I think I prefer my Canon lenses and I'm sure some model down the line will flip the market situation once again, etc.
 
Byker28i said:
Andy Rouse was very open about why he switched from Nikon to Canon when I went to one of his talks, it was because of the opportunities that canon were prepared to fund for him that Nikon weren't. At the time he said Nikon were withdrawing some of their funding for their ambassador trips. Nikon were in financial difficulties at the time.

Now some people may try to claim the switch is because some systems are better than others, teh same people who claim they didn't want to make this a 'one system is better than the other' discussion.

But if you look at the images these top photographers produce they can get images with either system. The differences between the top systems are tiny, some better than others on different points but equally capable of producing great images.

At which point it comes down to the opportunities available to the photographer, which is the money offered for these opportunities for the photographers to take trips to promote the products. Ultimately we all win because of the inspiring images produced.
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No.....they win.........;)
 
I am surprised that he has changed - he certainly produces/has produced many very good images with Canon gear as many on the Bird Forum do, a Forum which generally have more Canon shooters than Nikon with quite a bias towards Canon........ when a view is expressed.

Art's photographic ability is clear but I found some of what he says not particularly useful......... and therefore stopped followings blog/whatever
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Nikon must have paid him to do it.

While there are some differences, and maybe that Nikon (i.e. Sony) sensor is better, they are all great for the job these days. I think I prefer my Canon lenses and I'm sure some model down the line will flip the market situation once again, etc.
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To be fair to him, reading the relevant post, it looks like he changed of his own accord and at his own expense..........

I've signed up to his blog anyway as it's a switch I've been thinking of making myself.
 
HoppyUK said:
You seem to be saying that Art Morris is wrong. Have you done BIFs with a Nikon D5 and big primes, shooting side by side with Canon 1DXii?
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No but I know someone who does, will probably bump into them tomorrow as the weather looks nice and there are Bitterns about.

I have tried the 500 VR2/600 VR2 and 800mm lenses in poorish light on static subjects and failed to achieve anywhere near the AF of 1DX (Mk1) and 800 F5.6 L IS. Note all the Nikon lenses were supported but I used my gear hand held. I was surprised at how much trouble the various Nikon setups had locking focus which is why I got their rep to check them for me - apparently they were fins so I politely excused myself. I am not saying they don't work in good light but I was still at hand holding shutter speeds with my gear (I do not use IS) so the light wasn't ridiculously bad. I had seen this previously with the D4S - but to be fair the D5 was better. This was a total of 6 lenses and Pro cameras - it just told me I am better off where I am.

Personally I find Art's decision baffling - but he is a very much more experienced photographer than I am so there is no way that I would suggest he is wrong (and I didn't) - I just cannot understand his decision from my experience of Nikon SuperTeles and Pro cameras.

Someone seems to be having a problem with your or my (both?) comments - I certainly have no issues with your observations.:)
 
flavio said:
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You say you have tried Nikon's best, well either you haven't tried Nikon's latest generation of cameras(D5/D500/D850)and latest tele lenses(or zooms) or you don't have sufficient knowledge to work out how to use them or you would not be spreading such nonsense.

Have a nice day.
Cheers
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Yes I have (but not the D500) and was far from alone on those occasions. A couple of friends observed the same issues as I did. I had been considering changing systems due to all the hype I had read so I followed Nikon developments closely and have found their AF lacking in my and others hands, Nikon staff couldn't help either.

If this is "misinformation" then I apologise.
 
Never heard of this guy but it all seems a bit "Emperor's New Clothes" to me. I remember McCullin saying that he used a camera like a tooth brush, it does a job. The best kit is the stuff you're familiar with, have practiced with and using is second nature.

GC
 
gcgraphs said:
Never heard of this guy but it all seems a bit "Emperor's New Clothes" to me. I remember McCullin saying that he used a camera like a tooth brush, it does a job. The best kit is the stuff you're familiar with, have practiced with and using is second nature.

GC
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Yep. Your gear has got to feel right in your hand when you buy it and then over time you just get dialed into the way it handles until it all becomes second nature. Why change? I'm sticking with my Colgate Extra Clean - Medium Bristles, in blue. :)
 
gcgraphs said:
Never heard of this guy but it all seems a bit "Emperor's New Clothes" to me. I remember McCullin saying that he used a camera like a tooth brush, it does a job. The best kit is the stuff you're familiar with, have practiced with and using is second nature.

GC
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While there's a lot of truth in that and for most users it's absolutely true, in the specialised areas of sports and wildlife photography, and in particular AF tracking performance, there have always been differences between cameras, albeit minor and at the top end it's actually very hard to test and prove. In Art Morris's case, he's specifically identified the toughest technical challenge a camera can face - AF tracking birds in flight, often in difficult conditions.

In that particular situation, Art is not the first person who's views I respect to suggest that Nikon has the edge here with the D5 and D500. Whatever the full 'package' of reasons for his swap, and the deal will surely have been liberally sweetened, there could be something in it. Maybe he's just got a new electric toothbrush. There will certainly be BIFers around the globe now pondering the question.
 
I agree that the latest AF has made it easier for us to shoot action in challenging conditions, just not totally convinced that the incremental gains in technology make that much of a difference. I'm sure we can all remember guys shooting razor sharp panned shots at 1/60th with MF kit:)

BTW, what are BIFers?

GC
 
I spent some time playing with the AF tracking modes on the 5D mk3 when I first got it, using it for autosport. I found it's quite detailed and specific to get the best from it and for me the easiest was to revoke back to the normal setting. A car however is huge compared to a bird in flight :D
 
I doubt it's that he was fired from Canon EOL. And I doubt even more its anything to do with the revenue he earns from commissioned sales from his site.

:D

Oh and I should add, he said he has been trying to capture an image of a pelican taking off with no success in over 35 years shooting Canon or something like that, within a day on Nikon, bamm! Job done, time to retire. :)
 
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gad-westy said:
Yep. Your gear has got to feel right in your hand when you buy it and then over time you just get dialed into the way it handles until it all becomes second nature. Why change? I'm sticking with my Colgate Extra Clean - Medium Bristles, in blue. :)
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That is where you are going wrong. The RED is far better than the blue!! [emoji848]
 
arthurbikemad said:
I doubt it's that he was fired from Canon EOL. And I doubt even more its anything to do with the revenue he earns from commissioned sales from his site.

:D

Oh and I should add, he said he has been trying to capture an image of a pelican taking off with no success in over 35 years shooting Canon or something like that, within a day on Nikon, bamm! Job done, time to retire. :)
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Got it up on the website pretty quick,
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=p...AUICigB&biw=1504&bih=891#imgrc=jfzf0I2jgTJfvM:

Or was this with a previous camera? :-)
Matt
 
MatBin said:
Got it up on the website pretty quick,
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=p...AUICigB&biw=1504&bih=891#imgrc=jfzf0I2jgTJfvM:

Or was this with a previous camera? :)
Matt
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Not sure what camera, the man is a great photographer no matter what he shoots, I know he wrote that one of the main reasons to switch was such a shot, he could not get such a shot with Canon gear, I think the comment got a few laughs on CR (Canon Rumors). No matter, I'm just poking fun :)

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"The Dramatic Take-off Image
I tried and failed for decades to create images like this with my Canon gear. Do understand that many others, more skilled than I, have made images like this with their Canon gear. With my new Nikon gear I now feel that I at least have a good chance. That gives me more confidence to at least try in difficult or even near-impossible situations."
 
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I am surprised - reading what he has said and recommended over the years - I would think that there is more to it than the equipment

I thought about moving to Canon from Nikon a couple of years ago based on what I had seen and read on "his" Bird Forum - the Canon 600mm f4 would have been one reason, (versus the Nikon 600mm f4)
 
arthurbikemad said:
I doubt it's that he was fired from Canon EOL. And I doubt even more its anything to do with the revenue he earns from commissioned sales from his site.

:D

Oh and I should add, he said he has been trying to capture an image of a pelican taking off with no success in over 35 years shooting Canon or something like that, within a day on Nikon, bamm! Job done, time to retire. :)
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I have to admit to being somewhat cynical when two 'names' change from Canon to Nikon(Art Morris & Arash Hazeghi) at the same time when they have been extolling the virtues of their old systems up to a few weeks ago. They have both taken great photographs that I would die for and quite frankly I do not believe that it makes teh slightest difference as to what system they use they woudl get teh same result. I believe that it is for commercoial or political reasons.
As for taking photographs of pelicans, they are not the greatest challenge to any camera system!!
I have to question the expense for the so-called benefits, but each to their own. For most of us our resources would be better spent on ourselves rather than cameras - it is always the nut behind the camera that makes the difference.
I can get blurry photos with any system!!
 
IMHO, you have to be making a whole lot of money from your wildlife photography in order to justify swapping systems solely because you want to... At this level we are talking minimum investments pushing $20k for overall minor differences. And I don't really know anyone who is getting wealthy from wildlife photography (selling pictures).

I suppose if you just have more money than sense, then do whatever you like, but Canon will catch up/surpass soon enough. A lot of this stuff goes back and forth every few years or so, and the differences tend to be pretty minor... Now if someone were to tell me they were switching to Nikon for the sensor performance (DR/Noise/etc) that would make more sense to me.
 
sk66 said:
IMHO, you have to be making a whole lot of money from your wildlife photography in order to justify swapping systems solely because you want to... At this level we are talking minimum investments pushing $20k for overall minor differences. And I don't really know anyone who is getting wealthy from wildlife photography (selling pictures).

I suppose if you just have more money than sense, then do whatever you like, but Canon will catch up/surpass soon enough. A lot of this stuff goes back and forth every few years or so, and the differences tend to be pretty minor... Now if someone were to tell me they were switching to Nikon for the sensor performance (DR/Noise/etc) that would make more sense to me.
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See post #41 ;)
 
sk66 said:
IMHO, you have to be making a whole lot of money from your wildlife photography in order to justify swapping systems solely because you want to... At this level we are talking minimum investments pushing $20k for overall minor differences. And I don't really know anyone who is getting wealthy from wildlife photography (selling pictures).

I suppose if you just have more money than sense, then do whatever you like, but Canon will catch up/surpass soon enough. A lot of this stuff goes back and forth every few years or so, and the differences tend to be pretty minor... Now if someone were to tell me they were switching to Nikon for the sensor performance (DR/Noise/etc) that would make more sense to me.
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This kind of promotion from Nikon isn't aimed at professionals, who are a relatively small sector of their overall business. But they are big influencers of enthusiastic amateurs, who have no thought of making money and have no need to make a business plan add up. For them, a $20k investment isn't that much for something they enjoy, especially if they've just cashed in their pension pot and are running out of time... :D :eek:
 
LOL
 
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