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I live in a very quiet area and my street in particular is very quiet and has loads of old folk ( private housing estate ).The street is a cul de sac at the roundabout their is a family who has 1 lorry, 2 vans and 5 cars even though they only have parking for 2 cars.Our title deeds state no comercial vehicles are to be parked in the street. The family park their vans covering the fullroundabout and all the kerb space around it and that includes all the homes near the roundabout that have a raised kerb--they cant park on lowered kerbs as its aceess to peoples driveways.Its caused so much trouble in the past with people not being able to see past their ars, vans etc, people cant watch their kids playing.One of the main reasons for buying here is because it waschild safe but now its an accident waiting to happen.I cant park my car outside my house as their cars are nearly always their.

A few days ago my elderly neighbour parked her car outside her own home and since then this family have decided that any time they can they park their van or lorry there to block all views from her window.They park mostly on the kerbs.My elderly neighbour rushed past whilst walking her dog and the car which was their at the time had its mirror folded inwards..The family called the police even though no damage was done as the mirror is meant to fold anyway.They took statements and eventually told off my elderly neihbour for foldin the mirror in..Cant believe the police never told the family to stop wasting their time..They did say to my elderly neighbour to contact the council and local MP .

I see them constantly parking on kerbs with all cars and vans, 2 of their cars have ilegal number plates, 1 van has no MOT but still the police said it wasnt thei department to deal with this and it would need to be the traffic police...Idont nowwho i more mad at-the police or the family for causing the trouble..

So what would you do if you were in the middle of all this.
 
inform the local Traffic commissioner (details from your nearest HGV testing station) about the lorry, where a vehicle is kept is a condition of issuing an operators licence. As for the vans etc. If you have already mentioned it to the police then complain to the local head of your police. It is not up to you to sort out who deals with what offence. But unless you know for a fact (and have not got that information from someone who shouldn't have really told you it) Don't mention the MOT. Give them photographic evidence and say that you would like to remain anonymous.
 
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Unfortunately some people do like to take the mickey when it comes to things like this. I think you'll find that generally there are some quite inconsiderate people out there. Then again they may think that they're not doing any wrong!

It depends on the nature of the beast really, if they are reasonable people and will take a quick chat the correct way then maybe the problem will be solved over night. However on the flip side if they are a family that doesn't give a hoot then you may cause more harm than good.

I'm not 100% clued up with the law, however the way I view it is... If a fire engine needed to gain access to a house near the places they are parking their cars/vans/trucks, would it be able to do this without getting stuck?

I'm sure someone on here will be able to shed more light on the legal situation.
 
munch said:
inform the local Traffic commissioner (details from your nearest HGV testing station) about the lorry, where a vehicle is kept is a condition of issuing an operators licence. As for the vans etc. If you have already mentioned it to the police then complain to the local head of your police. It is not up to you to sort out who deals with what offence. But unless you know for a fact (and have not got that information from someone who shouldn't have really told you it) Don't mention the MOT. Give them photographic evidence and say that you would like to remain anonymous.
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The lorry in question is mainly being parked in their drivway hence its taking up the 2 spaces they have to park, its actually used or a few horses so its not used for comercial purposes.I di learn about the MOT through a riend so cant do anything about that...The woman of the family is defo not interested in taling and its her that rules the roost and the one who stands shouting at the elderly neighbours.We have 2 houses for sale in our street and usually their is a list of peole waiting to buy however im sure its not just the economy thats putting people off--well woud you want to loo out your window to a rusty van everyay.
 
Wood.Justin said:
Unfortunately some people do like to take the mickey when it comes to things like this. I think you'll find that generally there are some quite inconsiderate people out there. Then again they may think that they're not doing any wrong!

It depends on the nature of the beast really, if they are reasonable people and will take a quick chat the correct way then maybe the problem will be solved over night. However on the flip side if they are a family that doesn't give a hoot then you may cause more harm than good.

I'm not 100% clued up with the law, however the way I view it is... If a fire engine needed to gain access to a house near the places they are parking their cars/vans/trucks, would it be able to do this without getting stuck?

I'm sure someone on here will be able to shed more light on the legal situation.
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I dont know about a fire engine but i know the local ice cream van cant get turned and neither can delivery lorries etc. So is it legal to park upon a roundabout? Is it legal to park mostly on the kerb rather than the road?
 
Seek the professional advice of a solicitor. If you have legal cover on your home insurance try that first.
 
You say that "Our title deeds state no comercial vehicles are to be parked in the street"

Does this mean your cul-de-sac falls under the care of a management company? Do you pay for it to be maintained? If so, contact the managing company and they can take steps to prevent such vehicles parking there.

I have access to a residential car park with such stipulations and when a commercial vehicle was being parked in there, letters were sent to all residents advising that it was not permitted and that action (I don't know what!) would be taken if it continues. It stopped!
 
Company vans are not classed as commercial vehicles...
 
Unfortunately we are in a society where the good honest decent citizen is at the bottom of the pecking order. Just burn it.
 
It is only forbidden to park on the kerb in London. Councils are to be given powers to forbid it in the rest of the country, but it is not expected to mean blanket bans, only in specific places.

I'm pretty sure that it's not an offence to park a rusty van on the street - if it is, I'm in trouble as the owner of a rusty van :naughty:
 
You can't argue with inconsiderate berks like these. When they park in places that annoy and inconvenience others start leaving something icky on the driver's door handle. They'll soon stop.
 
"Our title deeds state no comercial vehicles are to be parked in the street"

Probably that is in the Deed of Conditions.
Have a look here for an example.
http://www.linthouseha.com/finance/factoring_services/deed_of_conditions.php
The housebuilding company may be responsible for enforcement, but you could end up using a lawyer.
Caravans are not permitted where I live and that is clearly stated in the Deed of Conditions. There are a few in driveways and the builder said they would be ignored unless there was a complaint.
That family you have sound like escapees from Dale Farm.
 
Sadly, your neighbours' behaviour epitomises the kind of selfishness and bloated self-importance that's rife in the world today.
 
onona said:
Sadly, your neighbours' behaviour epitomises the kind of selfishness and bloated self-importance that's rife in the world today.
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Agreed
 
Cheers folks.The woman of the family has threatened the elderly neighbours in the past but they are standing their ground and not being intimidated by this...It just goes to showthat just 1 family can cause so much trouble in a small quiet area.
 
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Can you explain that a little more or point me in the direction of some legislation that states that ?
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Not really as I was meaning in the context of this thread. It could be wrong of course. We have about sixty vans and have received some complaints about them being parked on the streets, of course we try to establish a reasonable solution to the problem but on no occasion could anything be done legally to prevent them parking on the street ;)
 
Splog said:
Not really as I was meaning in the context of this thread. It could be wrong of course. We have about sixty vans and have received some complaints about them being parked on the streets, of course we try to establish a reasonable solution to the problem but on no occasion could anything be done legally to prevent them parking on the street ;)
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Thought that sounded a bit odd :)
As far as the law and parking off commercial vehicles it was (not sure if it still is) if the vehicle has a gross weight of over 3500kg then it comes under the goods vehicle operators licensing system, which was fairly strict on vehicles being parked at the approved operating center unless on route, there are some exceptions to the 3500kg O license from memory 2 of them are recovery vehicles and horse boxes, there are others but its a long time since I have been involved in O licenses and can't remember them
 
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According to this it's what the vehicle is used for that is relevant in this case

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/propertyadvice/3299644/Property-clinic-parking-wrangle.html

I'd wager that the only way you'll get this resolved having been down the amicable route is to threaten legal action....it would probably take you and your neighbours coordinating and perhaps appointing a solicitor and sharing the legal fees. Depends how much it bothers you....frankly if it's as bad as you say it is it will be impacting the value of everyone's properties so if people can afford it you should definitely consider it. The good news is you can share the legal bills and they can't.

I had a dispute with a neighbour which involved a breach of leasehold terms....I tried all the amicable lines and then made it clear that I wasn't taking no for an answer. Called an EGM of the freehold company etc and kept pursuing it. Eventually after 18 months it was sorted...no longer on speaking terms and they moved out and now rent the property.
 
Fuel leak and a carelessly tossed fag end?
 
A fire engine crew will do what is needed to get to the fire. Even ramming towing Vehicle out the way and then bill the owners for causing damage to there equipment.

Then there is this highwaycode_parking
 
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Firstly, sorry for the situation, it must be a nightmare.

As a cop, I might be able to shed a bit of light.

Firstly, the advice from the police about the numbers plate etc not being 'their' remit and instead the 'traffic' police - nonsense. Its a £60 non endorsable ticket now for not displaying correct VRM and any police officer within England and Wales can issue one - if they have a mind to! (just seen your in Scotland so this might be true)

In relation to the parking - unfortunately as far as I'm aware and certainly within South Yorkshire, local council now have jurisdiction of parking enforcement - thats why you never see a cop issuing a parking ticket. Police can deal with obstruction of the highway (which includes the path). If I recall correctly though, there has to actually be someone who is being obstructed - you can't just say it 'would' be a problem if that theoretical wheelchair user came past. However, perhaps one of your elderly neighbours has a wheelchair, or a local parent with a pram who could take a walk each day and be obstructed and have to complain.

Now, the best way to resolve this is by bothering your local Safer Neighbourhood Team - if you go to your forces website look for the local community team - try http://www.strathclyde.police.uk/index.asp?locID=279&docID=135

Just noticed you're in Scotland and police powers are slightly different so apologies if some of this info is incorrect.

In England, the SNA's look after local issue like this. I know from experience that if you phoned enough and raised enough calls, eventually it would be flagged and someone else would look into it - a Sgt or Inspector. These people on SNA's love good honest citizens, and hate the threat of such good honest citizens complaining to their councillor or MP about what a poor service they are getting from their police teams.

So basically ring ring ring whenever there is an issue. But make sure you ring the normal non emergency number - that way it will be logged and counted. If they give you a local office number someone could just fob you off and there would be no trace of the call.

Get a petition together and let your Inspector know about the ill feeling and the simple actions you want your police to do - basic enforcement of any offences until the ****bag neighbours get the message.
 
Cheers. They are at it again toniht, the van parked in front of neigbours house so thats all she can see, other van in front of our neighbours sisters house ( both ederly living in our street ), the mothers car parked in front of my house to stop me parking, daughter 1 car in front of their next door neighbours, daughter 2 on roundabout, daughter 3 car isnt there just now, horsebox taking up the remainder of roundabout and guess what--their driveway is clear and so is their unrestricted view in front of their house.I waited for over 90 mins on theman of the house coming out tonight to go to his van and lets say im glad he didnt appear as im very very worked up with all this crap.
 
The nights are getting dark, would it be feasible to transfer some of the air inside their tyres to the outside? or is that a nono?
 
If there is nothing parked on their property [driveway] then you can legally park right across their driveway and there's nothing they or the Police can do about it.
 
MisterE said:
If there is nothing parked on their property [driveway] then you can legally park right across their driveway and there's nothing they or the Police can do about it.
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Really? I didn't know that - speaking as someone who has similar problems in the past.

On the estate where I live, the original house builders had a covenant added which stated "No Caravans" to be parked on driveways and also "No sign written vehicles to be parked on driveways overnight".

After 23 years we now have sign written vans everywhere and more caravans on driveways than you can shake a stick at.

We contacted the housebuilders and they said the covenant could be enforced but only if all of the remaining residents formed a group and acted collectively to take legal action.

So, we still have sign written vans and caravans everywhere and a legally correct but virtually unenforceable covenant in place due to lack of interest.

After 23 years the original 2 car spaces on the drives are no longer enough for family homes so visitors, family and friends park anywhere they like - blocking the footpaths, obstructing the mini-roundabouts and right up to and across "T" junctions of main roads, making them incredibly difficult to negotiate to exit as lines of sight are severely restricted. I suppose once an accident has happened there will be an incentive to change but until then the Council are not interested and the residents simply don't care.

Perhaps a thread with images of badly parked cars would be hugely successful?
 
rhody said:
Really? I didn't know that - speaking as someone who has similar problems in the past.
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Yes, it's true. But note what I've written. No vehicles on their property that you are preventing from exiting. If you block somebody IN, then your car can be towed etc. It doesn't matter that you are preventing them from entering their property.
 
MisterE said:
Yes, it's true. But note what I've written. No vehicles on their property that you are preventing from exiting. If you block somebody IN, then your car can be towed etc. It doesn't matter that you are preventing them from entering their property.
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Thanks Michael - I really did not know that. I've never blocked anyone's drive but I have returned home and found my drive totally blocked by others.
 
markyboy.1967 said:
the mothers car parked in front of my house to stop me parking
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Do you mean parked on the street in front of your house stopping you parking on the street as near to your front door as you would like, or parked over the entrance to your driveway stopping you parking on your driveway?
 
They always leave enough room ( just ) for everyone to get in and out their driveways. They have a clear driveway now and pavement outside their house, they are coming the c*** by parking infront of all the others who arent happy with them. Today is the day though when i get a grip of the man of the house for a friendly chat.:lol::lol:..Will see how it goes after this...
 
do they own or rent? if they rent contact their landlord

our local councillor is very good at dealing with community issues, try writing to him, most likely he lives in the area too (or she)

my daughter parked her mini in our street and the tax ran out during it's stay. less than a day after it ran out someone reported her and she was clamped! we had to park it on our lawn after that lol, (for ref. the car had broken down and she'd left it there for me to fix. I didn't know the tax was due, otherwise it would have been on the lawn from the start)

I really don't understand how some folk get away with it.
 
They own unfortunately. The woman of the house seems to think that the louder she shouts the more intimidating she is....:lol::lol: I must say though my elderly neighbour and her sister across the roundabout are taking it in their stride, although very annoyed they arent allowing the family to intimidate them...Let see how they like it....:thumbs:
 
Our household is one of those multi vehicle places. Our house is one of a street load built back in 1960 with covenants about keeping poultry! The road is narrow and the lad across from us can't park in his drive (lack of skill or just cba). If we parked all our vehicles in the street we would be SO unpopular :nuts:

With some thought we lost the front garden and had gravel put down to cope with the weight of the van, with the garage and the drive the other three get put down the side. This ensures the safety of our vehicles from the random dints and scratches of life and leaves the space for randoms and jonny across the road.

So the rationale is that we protect our property whilst keeping on good terms with our neighbours. Nobody has poultry ;)
 
TinaC said:
So the rationale is that we protect our property whilst keeping on good terms with our neighbours. Nobody has poultry ;)
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LOL - you don't know how much fun you are missing - fresh eggs and fresh meat - can't beat it.
 
Sugar in to fuel tank ;)
 
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