Are you literal, emotional or graphical?

Yes it's all fun but unless I read that wrong you seemed to be saying that lenses create these effects, they don't, they just allow you to create the image by capturing the perspective and FoV.

Soz if you knew that already :D
Lenses, and the resulting captures, allow you to see things the human eye can't. They say the human eye sees approx. 50mm FoV (disputable, OK), whereas WA or more so Ultra WA lenses will distort reality, to stunning effect. Likewise, telephoto lenses will compress distant subjects, making them appear closer together; the human eye would need a monocular to see the same.
 
I think in my case most of my photos are record shots mostly taken whilst out doing other things ( a lot of them are old things as that what I tend to like), They don't need to be perfect as my Memory will fill in the blanks, carrying an expensive camera would just be a pain in the bun because of size and likely hood of killing it. !, When I'm making more of an effort I will often ( but not always) attempt to convey a dark Mood most likely as I have been a life long Depression sufferer and tend to see the dark side of things. So I'm guessing a mixture of literal and emotional, Now I'll look at the link and see if what I feel of myself fits what I have said.

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O.k having read the article I think I'm probably a mix of all three Mainly Literal, with some Emotion and occasionally a bit of Graphical !
 
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Although most of my working life was sales and driving based ,I actually started off with electronics and model making even having a stint at m.g.m on special effects work ., till marriage and it’s needs took over ..
But I’ve always kept model making as a hobby through the years and it tends to give you a eye for detail which I strive to carry on in my photography so I guess graphical and literal would suit
 
Lenses, and the resulting captures, allow you to see things the human eye can't. They say the human eye sees approx. 50mm FoV (disputable, OK), whereas WA or more so Ultra WA lenses will distort reality, to stunning effect. Likewise, telephoto lenses will compress distant subjects, making them appear closer together; the human eye would need a monocular to see the same.

The effect of wide angle lenses is relatively easy to understand and perspective "distortion" and compression is caused by camera to subject distance. Take a headshot with a 24mm lens and you'll be in the subjects face and you'll see perspective "distortion" but take the picture with the 24mm from 85mm distance and crop it and you'll see the exact same perspective you'd get if you took the picture with an 85mm. Compression is caused by camera to subject distance and nothing more. It's not caused by the lens other than the telephoto lens leading you to stand further away and providing a tighter FoV or if you like cropping the scene for you. If you want to and can think about what you are looking at you can visualise and maybe even see these effects without a camera.

Oh, here's another way to look at it. A 24mm lens will give perspective distortion when used for a tight headshot with a FF camera but the same lens on a MFT camera becomes a 48mm FoV lens and wont give as much perspective distortion when taking that head shot. Hmmm. The same lens and two different results? How is this possible? The answer is that when you use the 24mm lens on a MFT camera you use it at 48mm lens distance and the camera does the crop for you. You can get the exact same results on FF or APS-C or MFT by taking the two pictures at different distances and cropping them for the same FoV and mix of perspective distortion/compression.

But, these things possibly can not be easily persuaded or taught and will be a lot easier with examples. I think you need to think about these affects and prove them to yourself. If you have a zoom lens or a couple of primes 15 minutes taking pictures from various distances and looking at them on the pc should sort it out for you or just look at the world and either walk towards or away from it and see what happens to what you see.

Good luck with this.

Oh and the human eye can see a lot wider than 50mm FoV.
 
I think in my case most of my photos are record shots mostly taken whilst out doing other things ( a lot of them are old things as that what I tend to like), They don't need to be perfect as my Memory will fill in the blanks, carrying an expensive camera would just be a pain in the bun because of size and likely hood of killing it. !, When I'm making more of an effort I will often ( but not always) attempt to convey a dark Mood most likely as I have been a life long Depression sufferer and tend to see the dark side of things. So I'm guessing a mixture of literal and emotional, Now I'll look at the link and see if what I feel of myself fits what I have said.

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O.k having read the article I think I'm probably a mix of all three Mainly Literal, with some Emotion and occasionally a bit of Graphical !

Having seen a lot of your pictures I think they are more than record shots as you obviously think about composition and very often process for an artistic effect.
 
I think in my case most of my photos are record shots mostly taken whilst out doing other things ( a lot of them are old things as that what I tend to like),

I never understand why record shots are dismissed - photos made while you're out doing other things are often more interesting than the photos made while purposefully making photos,..
 
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I never understand why record shots are dismissed - photos made while you're out doing other things are often more interesting than the photos made while purposefully making photos,..

I think many of us discriminate between documentary photography which records events etc and thoughtless photos that are simply a badly shot record something. I've seen some describe their pictures as 'record shots' because they were not planned, but that's not really correct because the pictures still show thought and care in their composition and approach.
 
Having seen a lot of your pictures I think they are more than record shots as you obviously think about composition and very often process for an artistic effect.
Absolutely, there is no reason why record shots should not be as well compose and have have as much care taken over them as any other kind of shot.

As time passes it is usually the so called "record shot" that proves most interesting to other people. By then most "Art" shots have been dumped as irrelavent.
 
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Oh and the human eye can see a lot wider than 50mm FoV.
The human brain and two eyes can composite a mental image wider than the "standard lens" FoV. However try putting a "standard lens" on your camera and look at something with strong verticals and horizontals, a window, kitchen cabinets, etc through the view finder, then just move the camera down so that you are looking over the top of it with one eye, without moving your eye or looking around, surprisingly you will see that the scene is very similar to what you saw in the view finder. Try it with other focal lengths and see the difference.
 
The effect of wide angle lenses is relatively easy to understand and perspective "distortion" and compression is caused by camera to subject distance. Take a headshot with a 24mm lens and you'll be in the subjects face and you'll see perspective "distortion" but take the picture with the 24mm from 85mm distance and crop it and you'll see the exact same perspective you'd get if you took the picture with an 85mm. Compression is caused by camera to subject distance and nothing more. It's not caused by the lens other than the telephoto lens leading you to stand further away and providing a tighter FoV or if you like cropping the scene for you. If you want to and can think about what you are looking at you can visualise and maybe even see these effects without a camera.

Oh, here's another way to look at it. A 24mm lens will give perspective distortion when used for a tight headshot with a FF camera but the same lens on a MFT camera becomes a 48mm FoV lens and wont give as much perspective distortion when taking that head shot. Hmmm. The same lens and two different results? How is this possible? The answer is that when you use the 24mm lens on a MFT camera you use it at 48mm lens distance and the camera does the crop for you. You can get the exact same results on FF or APS-C or MFT by taking the two pictures at different distances and cropping them for the same FoV and mix of perspective distortion/compression.

But, these things possibly can not be easily persuaded or taught and will be a lot easier with examples. I think you need to think about these affects and prove them to yourself. If you have a zoom lens or a couple of primes 15 minutes taking pictures from various distances and looking at them on the pc should sort it out for you or just look at the world and either walk towards or away from it and see what happens to what you see.

Good luck with this.

Oh and the human eye can see a lot wider than 50mm FoV.
.... I think you missed out the very important factor of how 'distortion' is or isn't apparent according to how you angle your camera up or down. In other words it is relatively easy to greatly reduce perspective distortion. Furthermore, the Keystone feature can be your friend in post-processing (if shot RAW).
 
.... I think you missed out the very important factor of how 'distortion' is or isn't apparent according to how you angle your camera up or down. In other words it is relatively easy to greatly reduce perspective distortion. Furthermore, the Keystone feature can be your friend in post-processing (if shot RAW).

I didn't think tilting and sloping verticals relevant to the point I was making about perspective distortion and compressing but again you can see this without a camera.

All you need is to make a frame with your thumbs together and fingers pointing up and tilt it up or down and voila! You now magically see those sloping verticals relative to your finger frame edges. The processor in your brain does a lot... but it wont prevent you seeing sloping verticals relative to the sides of your finger frame. Of course it'll be your fingers that slope whilst the verticals remain straight but as your fingers are the frame when viewed on a screen or printed your thumbs and fingers being the frame are straight and the verticals tilt.

If you think about these effects none of them should come as a surprise.

The human brain and two eyes can composite a mental image wider than the "standard lens" FoV. However try putting a "standard lens" on your camera and look at something with strong verticals and horizontals, a window, kitchen cabinets, etc through the view finder, then just move the camera down so that you are looking over the top of it with one eye, without moving your eye or looking around, surprisingly you will see that the scene is very similar to what you saw in the view finder. Try it with other focal lengths and see the difference.

I think all you're describing here is that from a fixed position a 50mm lens gives a natural perspective but not a natural FoV. With the camera to your eye much of your natural FoV will be cropped away.
 
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I thought this thread was about different types of photography/photographer: Literal or otherwise.

Not comparing the camera to no camera at all.
 
How we see the world with our eyes will affect the way we take pictures.
 
I thought this thread was about different types of photography/photographer: Literal or otherwise.

Not comparing the camera to no camera at all.

Sorry but I felt the need to try and help you understand what's going on but on reflection and after reading this... Sorry I tried :D
 
How we see the world with our eyes will affect the way we take pictures.
.... I agree. The pictures we capture and create can be an expression of ourselves. Photography can be just another medium for self-expression in the way that paintings can be.
 
Interesting article, thanks for sharing. While I take pictures of all three types, my normal type is emotional, aiming to combine with graphical when possible. The goal is usually for the viewer to feel the emotion of the moment captured.
 
I think there is a meditative quality to photography as well. I know it has been of benefit to people on here.
Recently, I've been thinking about what my photography purpose is and if my photos lack meaning. I want to explore this some more with some more project based work, but for now I've settled on my purpose being about mindfulness/ meditation. Especially with street photography, it's an excuse to stick a camera in my pocket, open the front door and walk. It's often the reason why I leave the house over a weekend.
 
Recently, I've been thinking about what my photography purpose is and if my photos lack meaning. I want to explore this some more with some more project based work, but for now I've settled on my purpose being about mindfulness/ meditation. Especially with street photography, it's an excuse to stick a camera in my pocket, open the front door and walk. It's often the reason why I leave the house over a weekend.
.... Hello Ben, I have just had a look at your "little area on the web" and I love your sense of perspective and composition, also colour. Your work has a distinctive style. I say this with my 'retired-but-hardwired' professional art director's hat on.
 
There was another thread where in passing the nature of how we create photographs was discussed, and someone (I think it was @nandbytes) posted this link:


Which got me considering. When I re-started taking pictures seriously again I was definitely literal with some graphic stirred in - I think you need some graphical to give a shot compositional sense, else without that you have nothing more than a record shot. I also remember at the time seeing the work of another photographer who had chosen what was high end Fx kit to produce some very 'soft' images, and asken myself why he would take a sharp picture and then sod it up with all that softness.

And so to this evening.

On the Sony thread we were discussing various lenses, with some being sharp and neutral - 'very capable but boring' was one description by someone else, 'sharp but uninteresting. Great for detailed landscape, social gatherings, record shots.' was my view.

This brought me back to the link above. I have realised that when it comes to my own work I now 'sod up' a perfectly good picture by making it a bit soft, blocking up shadows, changing tonal response and particularly changing to monochrome because colour is so often too complicated and too busy. It's in pursuit of emotion in the picture, trying to escape the literalness that I find so uninteresting now, but preserving graphical qualities. My photography has changed.

I could post some examples, but would prefer not to because I'm trying to talk about how we feel about photography, rather than how you feel abut my photography.
I would describe my photos as something different from those descriptives, I would say mine are "technical" in that they're technically good (correct DOF, sharp, good panning etc) without being overly exciting. My goal is to be artistic/creative but I don't seem to have a very artistic/creative mind and so have to rely on technique and 'theory' to get my shots, often re-creating something I've seen before. I'm the same with music, I can produce remixes of tracks but rarely can come up with something decent that's original.

As I mentioned in the Sony thread I also sometimes don't get/see artistic shots. For example I've just finished watching the Great British Photography Challenge with Rankin that I've had on my planner since last year and some of the shots I've have binned instantly yet they were lauded over on the show. There were some exceptional shots too but I've have never thought about doing something like that, but now I've seen them I could possible recreate them.

In terms of lenses being boring, I definitely think that lenses can give shots character that might not be achievable with another lens, so whilst conveying emotion etc is down to the photographer the tools can certainly help imo.
 
I use photography to make a record of something I find interesting in a way that others will also find interesting.

On the whole, I'd say that the bulk of my images fit into all three categories, most of the time.
 
I use photography to make a record of something I find interesting in a way that others will also find interesting.

On the whole, I'd say that the bulk of my images fit into all three categories, most of the time.

My *interpretation* of your pictures is that you are extremely literal in most of the photos you post here. That's not criticism - just opinion.
 
My *interpretation* of your pictures is that you are extremely literal in most of the photos you post here. That's not criticism - just opinion.
A fair assessment, I'd say.
 
My *interpretation* of your pictures is that you are extremely literal in most of the photos you post here. That's not criticism - just opinion.
.... What I find interesting about your comment is that it raises the question of how we see our own work differently from how others see our work.
 
.. What I find interesting about your comment is that it raises the question of how we see our own work differently from how others see our work.

I don't usually analyse others work using these criteria, though I may do so to understand why I like a piece.
 
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